Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD

K.O.Kiki

Eurogamer re-review

Digital Foundry tech analysis

Sadly can't buy this on release day, so here's hoping discs are still available come Christmas time :pac:

And I never realised just how bad the framerate in SotC was while playing it (variable 14-30fps :eek:). It seems that the 1080p & 3D modes aren't well done for SotC HD, either (but run perfect for Ico HD)

Anyone else excited?

ondafly

can't wait myself ! shame they couldn't do a decent job of the Splinter Cell reboots also

K.O.Kiki

ondafly wrote: »

can't wait myself ! shame they couldn't do a decent job of the Splinter Cell reboots also

In fairness, that was Ubisoft screwing up, not Bluepoint.

deathrider

I've never actually played either of these games. I remember there being a big stink kicked up about Shadow Of The Colossus, and how it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I simply never got around to playing it. I reckon I'll give them a shot this time around.

CiDeRmAn

No no, they got it completely wrong.

Shadow of the Colossus is BETTER than sliced bread, perhaps even better than cake....

Retr0gamer

I'll be buying it simply because... I don't own a copy of Ico

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'll be buying it simply because... I don't own a copy of Ico

Some say the comment "You're not a real retro gamer until you own n" where n is any given retro game calculated to embarrass and infuriate the non-owner of n.
Some say this type of comment is juvenile, unhelpful and deserving of a ban, a warning at least as it is as annoying as trolling.
Some say these things and feel they are belonging to a higher order of game aficionado, a true connoisseur of videogame culture.


I am not one of those people!
I can't believe you don't own Ico Retr0!
We'll have to rename you "Mostly Retr0gamer" or "Almost Retr0gamer"!

Steve X2

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Some say the comment "You're not a real retro gamer until you own n" where n is any given retro game calculated to embarrass and infuriate the non-owner of n.
Some say this type of comment is juvenile, unhelpful and deserving of a ban, a warning at least as it is as annoying as trolling.
Some say these things and feel they are belonging to a higher order of game aficionado, a true connoisseur of videogame culture.


I am not one of those people!
I can't believe you don't own Ico Retr0!
We'll have to rename you "Mostly Retr0gamer" or "Almost Retr0gamer"!

Retr0gamer lite?
The free version of the Retr0gamer. It has most of the full version but is lacking in any real content once you scratch the surface.


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Retr0gamer

A real retrogamer wouldn't call the PS2 retro :P Anyway I own a copy on a disc that has 80 mins on it. I think it's a promo... cough.

Steve X2

Retr0gamer wrote: »

A real retrogamer wouldn't call the PS2 retro :P

Touché sir, touché

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Myrddin

He has a Virtual Boy, & thus immune to any hardware slagging unfortunately I also miss when he had no NES too.

CiDeRmAn

Well, here is the old chestnut,
Retro Vs Cult

A console can be retro.

A game can be retro too.

A console can be a cult machine, this is not conditional on being retro.

A game can be cult, see the last point.

Hence the Dreamcast is not retro but a cult machine.
Games on the DC range from cult, Space Channel 5, Rez, to fairly current, Border Down.
The PS2 is/was far too well accepted to be cult and far too recent to be retro but, still, cult games have appeared, Ico, SOTC being two, the aforementioned DC games also appeared on the PS2, did they cease to be cult once they appeared on the more popular console?

We are on a continuum here people.
A continuously moving line of the present.
This line denotes current gaming tech and defines future gaming expectations, yes.
But it also is moving across the face of the history of games and consoles, defining classics, retro and cult as it moves.
So, the 16 bit machines are most certainly all retro at this stage, with content both cult and classic.
The likes of the Saturn is also considered retro but it had a long career as a cult machine, seeing as mostly 2D fighting game aficionados played it.
The PSone/1 is arguably the lastest machine to achieve retro status, this is damaged somewhat by the ability of all PS3 consoles to play PS games natively. The console was never ever cult though, but many games on it were, the likes of Incredible Crisis, Kurushi, Kula World all qualify.
The DC? Is it cult, certainly. Is it retro? A good question, not sure yet.
And the PS2 living in the same frame as the DC must make it knocking on the door of retro-hood, although that could be another number of years yet.


You will feel almost certainly old when the person you are discussing games with had the 360 as their first console, very old indeed!

o1s1n

I really really hate when things are considered 'cult'. It's the biggest load of pretentious ****.

'hey look, I'm really really into something you've never heard of. I have in jokes you won't understand. I have to go now, my clique is waiting'.

If you ever go to a screening or something and there are people who would consider themselves cult fans (and know you're not), they'll really it is ramp it up, being more pretentious and circle jerky just to show you how awesome they are.

'Look at me, I know every bloody thing about this 'cult' film and I'm going to prove it. For this moment in time, that makes them better than you.'

I had one girl sitting in front of me at The Life of Brian pretty much saying every line word for word. As if her whole life had lead up to this moment and she was going to let everyone know. A few swift kicks to the back of her chair sorted that out.

DinoRex

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'll be buying it simply because... I don't own a copy of Ico

I'll be buying it too... but I'm also now going to go and stroke my original copy with the art cards...

o1s1n

How much are slim PS3s going for these days? Are they still half a million euro or are they a reasonable price?

I really do love these two games...very tempted to pick one up to give them another run through. Would that be mental?

Professey Chin

o1s1n wrote: »

I had one girl sitting in front of me at The Life of Brian pretty much saying every line word for word. As if her whole life had lead up to this moment and she was going to let everyone know. A few swift kicks to the back of her chair sorted that out.

Ah now dont be doin that. You kick the back of the head not the chair

Andrew76

o1s1n wrote: »

How much are slim PS3s going for these days? Are they still half a million euro or are they a reasonable price?

I really do love these two games...very tempted to pick one up to give them another run through. Would that be mental?

Buy a PS3 Slim just to play games you already own?? Your real name is Chester isn't it? :P

The Recliner

o1s1n wrote: »

How much are slim PS3s going for these days? Are they still half a million euro or are they a reasonable price?

I really do love these two games...very tempted to pick one up to give them another run through. Would that be mental?

There is a thread in bargain alerts that says HMV are doing them for €199

I had a quick look in Gamestop there the other day as I wandered home and their pre-Owned PS3's were €250+

I wouldn't consider it mental, if I had the spare cash I would gladly pay it to get my hands on Ico again, I never owned it but played it loads in a mates, never got to play SoC either and would like to rectify it

Will have to win the lotto tonight

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

How much are slim PS3s going for these days? Are they still half a million euro or are they a reasonable price?

I really do love these two games...very tempted to pick one up to give them another run through. Would that be mental?

You could always wait for one of these - http://www.tomsguide.com/us/White-PS3-Release-date-Europe-Australia-north-america,news-12493.html

Price is a bit nuts though, given you already own the game

Steve X2

o1s1n wrote: »

How much are slim PS3s going for these days? Are they still half a million euro or are they a reasonable price?

I really do love these two games...very tempted to pick one up to give them another run through. Would that be mental?

Buy two

Or is that just my thing

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DinoRex

Andrew76 wrote: »

Buy a PS3 Slim just to play games you already own?? Your real name is Chester isn't it? :P

Wanna go celebrate? I feel like Liver and Onions.

Optimus Prime

I got this Ico\Shadow of Colossus in the door today from Sony. Ive never played either of them. what sort of games are they?

DinoRex

keithgeo wrote: »

I got this Ico\Shadow of Colossus in the door today from Sony. Ive never played either of them. what sort of games are they?

Climbing simulators mostly. Although that's a great injustice to the emotional depth of the games.

krudler

keithgeo wrote: »

I got this Ico\Shadow of Colossus in the door today from Sony. Ive never played either of them. what sort of games are they?

masterpieces

pdbhp

keithgeo wrote: »

I got this Ico\Shadow of Colossus in the door today from Sony. Ive never played either of them. what sort of games are they?

Epic!!

DinoRex wrote: »

Climbing simulators mostly. Although that's a great injustice to the emotional depth of the games.

K.O.Kiki

keithgeo wrote: »

I got this Ico\Shadow of Colossus in the door today from Sony. Ive never played either of them. what sort of games are they?

DO NOT LOOK UP GUIDES!

You will be spoilered to hell.

Jack burton

Have to admit I looked up guide for 1 or 2 colossi, just had a sh1t time trying to deal with them

So this bundle, out and all now? if it is im getting it in the morning

pdbhp

Jack burton wrote: »

Have to admit I looked up guide for 1 or 2 colossi, just had a sh1t time trying to deal with them

So this bundle, out and all now? if it is im getting it in the morning

Sept' 30th I think. Really thinking about getting a PS3 and trading in my XBOX but Gears 3 is coming out in a few days, so many decisions to make:(

Jack burton

Well I have both so im all set :P yeah gears 3 is out in a few days isnt it, forgot about that, Love when that happens

pdbhp

I had totally forgotten about it also, until last night when I had a dream I was playing gears 3 and drinking mercury, yes mercury the liquid metal, tasted horrible in the dream.

Mr E

I owned both, didn't finish either of them.
I'll be fixing that glitch in my gaming CV at the end of the month.

CiDeRmAn

o1s1n wrote: »

I really really hate when things are considered 'cult'. It's the biggest load of pretentious ****.

Have to disagree there, truth is that there is a majority of games players who have never played a DC and most of those would have owned a PS and waited for the PS2 because the "media" told them to.
This also translates into excellent games that were overlooked on release because they lacked the words "Fifa" or "Crash Bandicoot" in the title.

'hey look, I'm really really into something you've never heard of. I have in jokes you won't understand. I have to go now, my clique is waiting'

Bad news for you sport, I promise you are into games most gamers have never heard of and well, no need to go, we are your clique!

I had one girl sitting in front of me at The Life of Brian pretty much saying every line word for word. As if her whole life had lead up to this moment and she was going to let everyone know. A few swift kicks to the back of her chair sorted that out.

Believe it or not many Python fans would have had moist, sticky fantasies about meeting a girl like that, a girl who I you could do the torturers dialogue with, "You lucky, lucky b@stard"...

That said I was at a Brian Wilson concert in The Point, as it was called, and the fella next to me sang through every single song, clapping with a somewhat psychiatric enthusiasm at each interval, as if his own personal god had descended and was going to make him the carrier of his seed after the gig, once he proved his devotion by pissing off the surrounding audience members, twat!

Then again I did that at a couple of Public Enemy concerts myself...
Fight The Power!

Professey Chin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZovvjqSLPU

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Have to disagree there, truth is that there is a majority of games players who have never played a DC and most of those would have owned a PS and waited for the PS2 because the "media" told them to.
This also translates into excellent games that were overlooked on release because they lacked the words "Fifa" or "Crash Bandicoot" in the title.

Not disagreeing with you. It's the terminology I have a problem with. Just because something is an unheard of gem doesn't mean you're somehow fantastic for playing it or need to fap over it's cultish exclusivity. A game is a game is a game. 'Cultification' (that should be a word) of things breeds snobbery.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Bad news for you sport, I promise you are into games most gamers have never heard of and well, no need to go, we are your clique!

Ah but see, you're confusing a hobby group and a clique.

The term 'clique' has negative connotations of exclusivity and exclusion. This forum on the other hand has one of the most inclusive groups I've ever come across online. Ye lot are anything BUT a clique

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Believe it or not many Python fans would have had moist, sticky fantasies about meeting a girl like that, a girl who I you could do the torturers dialogue with, "You lucky, lucky b@stard"...

A girl who has absolutely no regard to her fellow film goers and ruins the experience for her own personal self gratification? They're welcome to her so

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

That said I was at a Brian Wilson concert in The Point, as it was called, and the fella next to me sang through every single song, clapping with a somewhat psychiatric enthusiasm at each interval, as if his own personal god had descended and was going to make him the carrier of his seed after the gig, once he proved his devotion by pissing off the surrounding audience members, twat!

Then again I did that at a couple of Public Enemy concerts myself...
Fight The Power!

There is a distinct difference between going to something and enjoying it, and going to something and proving to everyone how absolutely fantastic you are by just how MUCH you are enjoying it/know it/spit on others for not.

One is honest and what most people do, the other is pretentious arseholery.

Sorry, I'm getting a bit off topic here. I just hate snobbery and elitism is all! Everyone should be included and all that jazz.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

A girl who has absolutely no regard to her fellow film goers and ruins the experience for her own personal self gratification? They're welcome to her so

She sounds dirty, I'd have got her number :D

Jack burton

yeah we've all done stuff like that in the cinema before now havnt we? I'll be the first to say I have and I wear it as a badge of honour.

What was this thread about again?

o1s1n

Jack burton wrote: »

What was this thread about again?

I think it was something about me owning a copy of Wily Wars and why it makes me fantastic?

Jack burton

I thought it was about me being the only person here to own the Death and Return of Superman. Cant really remember though

o1s1n

Touché my good sir, touché.








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CiDeRmAn

o1s1n wrote: »

Ah but see, you're confusing a hobby group and a clique.

A hobby group?

So, a hobby group is it?

Ok, so at the next Beers, after we play a few rounds of DinoRex we're going to get a little embroidery going on, later, if we're lucky we may fit in some decoupage and lace making.
There'll be a bit of scrap-book making for those that lack the fine finger dexterity for the above, safety scissors and protective goggles will be supplied!

Hmm, I think I'd rather be in a clique!
A open, liberal, welcoming clique of course..

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

after we play a few rounds of DinoRex we're going to get a little embroidery going on, later, if we're lucky we may fit in some decoupage and lace making

Ahh, so thats what Retr0 was doing that night.

Optimus Prime

You should all take up Knitting, then you can have a sweet Jayne from firefly hat like me! :pac:


I know.. Cool, right ! haha..

CiDeRmAn

Hmm, no thanks, I rather Vera myself...

Let's be bad guys!