Who's the bigger beast? Helpless Lion killed by Tory Party UK Donor

Lord Trollington

MILLIONAIRE banker Sir David Scholey poses by the bloody corpse of a lion after shooting it for fun on a "trophy-hunting" holiday.
Other souvenir snaps show the Tory party donor grinning as he stands in front of elephant tusks and antelope and buffalo skulls during a big game hunting trip to Zambia.

Angry animal welfare groups yesterday described Sir David's trips as "sadistic and selfish" — but he said he saw nothing wrong in paying huge sums to kill exotic beasts.

He added: "I have been hunting all over the world for many, many years and I have always hunted within the legal arrangements of the country concerned. I regard that as an entirely personal matter.

"All the animals I hunt are wild beasts. And I have felt threatened by them at times.

"The lion I killed certainly wasn't an endangered species where I was hunting it."

Sir David, 76, an ex-Bank of England director and BBC governor, added: "Obviously, if I felt there was anything wrong in it I wouldn't do it.

"The object is to dispatch the animal with a bullet it never hears. That's why it's important to be a very good shot before you even think about hunting. I continue to hunt big game, not as much as I used to but I do continue to do it."

The League Against Cruel Sports said: "It is enormously selfish to kill magnificent animals for sadistic pleasure. It beggars belief that someone in a position of authority could think it's acceptable.


Hunter ... Sir David Scholey
"If he is a Tory donor, they should seriously consider whether he is the sort of person they want associated with the modern party."

Pictures of Sir David with his quarry are posted on the websites of two leading African firms which organise shooting trips.

Safari Bwana charges punters £25,550 for a 24-day lion and leopard shooting trip to Mozambique.

Its hunts in Zambia, Botswana and Tanzania can exceed £62,000 per person because of international pressure to protect the animals.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3806600/Whos-the-bigger-beast.html

Here is the link, absolutely outrageous behavior. Killing an animal for nothing other than a trophy.

Can someone post the picture, it speaks a thousand words, I do not know how.

slippy wicket

Wow, someone goes on a hunting holiday and a rag bag group of animal rights loons disagrees with it. Shocker.:rolleyes:

galwayrush

slippy wicket wrote: »

Wow, someone goes on a hunting holiday and a rag bag group of animal rights loons disagrees with it. Shocker.:rolleyes:

Caught me by surprise as well.:D

squod

Seems like such a nice man*.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3806600/Whos-the-bigger-beast.html

Nice fur coat and a round of lion burgers out of that yoke.

*Banker

Sickens me that people are allowd to shoot such magnificent animals for 'fun'

dirty bastard.:mad:

goat2

"All the animals I hunt are wild beasts. And I have felt threatened by them at times"
if he stayed away from their habitat, he would not feel threatened, you would swear they knocked on his door and asked him out for a fight,

Logical Fallacy

goat2 wrote: »

"All the animals I hunt are wild beasts. And I have felt threatened by them at times"
if he stayed away from their habitat, he would not feel threatened, you would swear they knocked on his door and asked him out for a fight,

Not even that...guns are for pussies.

Real men hunt lions armed with only their teeth and their ball sack.

charlemont

Pity the lion didn't rip his head off. Shooting animals aint sport its murder.

Yakult

whycliff wrote: »

"The lion I killed certainly wasn't an endangered species where I was hunting it."

This line just sums it up.

No, but kill enough and soon they will become endangered. :rolleyes:

Do humans ever learn from past mistakes? Doesn't look like it.

slippy wicket

charlemont wrote: »

Pity the lion didn't rip his head off. Shooting animals aint sport its murder.

Hyperbole much ?

:P

My name is URL

People will be outraged because it's a lion. If it was a fox or a crow then not many would give a shit. In game parks like that the animals are closely monitored and hunters are never allowed to reduce overall average numbers.. if they did, then their businesses wouldn't be long going bust. I wouldn't be fussed on it myself, but if you're gonna be outraged by it then why not for the animals hunted and killed every day right here?

Sid_Justice

grade A ****

Wolflikeme

slippy wicket wrote: »

Wow, someone goes on a hunting holiday and a rag bag group of animal rights loons disagrees with it. Shocker.:rolleyes:

Perhaps you'd like to explain why it's perfectly OK to venture into an animals habitat and kill it for no reason other than 'fun'?

Idiot.

pragmatic1

What an asshole.

willmunny1990

Killing anything for sport is wrong in my opinion.If your a farmer being plagued by pests i can understand it but doing it for sport is sick.

Paying thosands of pounds to go and kill a Lion makes him one sick ****.

slippy wicket

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Perhaps you'd like to explain why it's perfectly OK to venture into an animals habitat and kill it for no reason other than 'fun'?

Idiot.

Not having been on a hunting safari myself i would not be up to speed on the methodology involved, but what i have heard from those that have is that the animals selected for culling would be shot one way or the other, and selling that to rich foreigners is one of the few ways that these large game reserves have to make money on an ongoing basis.
it takes a lot of time and expense to keep out indiscriminate poachers, and while you may find this morally objectionable ( and that is entirely your right), is it not better than the alternative of a free for all.

Dangerous Man

I was tempted to post something slating the animals' rights activists (they're always so feckin' sanctimonious) but have changed my mind. This guy is a clown - a top class moron. Ridiculous behaviour.

Edit: Oh, and good on the Sun for publishing the story.

DublinWriter

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde - the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible.

RustyNut

slippy wicket wrote: »

Not having been on a hunting safari myself i would not be up to speed on the methodology involved, but what i have heard from those that have is that the animals selected for culling would be shot one way or the other, and selling that to rich foreigners is one of the few ways that these large game reserves have to make money on an ongoing basis.
it takes a lot of time and expense to keep out indiscriminate poachers, and while you may find this morally objectionable ( and that is entirely your right), is it not better than the alternative of a free for all.

Food for thought !

OneArt

I hope he gets eaten by a lion.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

People will be outraged because it's a lion. If it was a fox or a crow then not many would give a shit. In game parks like that the animals are closely monitored and hunters are never allowed to reduce overall average numbers.. if they did, then their businesses wouldn't be long going bust. I wouldn't be fussed on it myself, but if you're gonna be outraged by it then why not for the animals hunted and killed every day right here?

Maybe they would be outraged,but this thread is about a lion

LondonIrish90

Animal rights activists branding the actions of others "sadistic and selfish" Oh the irony.

Mindkiller

slippy wicket wrote: »

Not having been on a hunting safari myself i would not be up to speed on the methodology involved, but what i have heard from those that have is that the animals selected for culling would be shot one way or the other, and selling that to rich foreigners is one of the few ways that these large game reserves have to make money on an ongoing basis.
it takes a lot of time and expense to keep out indiscriminate poachers, and while you may find this morally objectionable ( and that is entirely your right), is it not better than the alternative of a free for all.

And what of the buffalo skulls and elephant tusks? Animals that have almost been rendered extinct by this type of activity

Well, buffalo populations are on the rise apparently. But about a century ago they were almost wiped out

El Weirdo

I refuse to let The Sun preach to me about moral issues.

.E_C_K_S.

What a magnificent creature. Wow some achievement killing it at a distance with a gun.:rolleyes:

bigwormbundoran

Louis Theroux did a good documentary about these hunting holidays, and the species that were endangred actually began to flourish because more of them are farmed and protected, though only to be hunted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOea217OszQ

Duggy747

What's sporty about killing a wild animal with a gun?

Fist Vs Paws in a cage would be much more impressive.

Hmm, think I might have a new proposition for Dragons Den....

Greentopia

What a brave 'hunter'. Asshole :mad:.
Going off to Africa on wild game hunting expeditions to bag a lion... sorry is this 1930 or 2011?! sounds like the type who bemoans Britain's loss of empire with her colonies in Africa... with all the arrogance and sense of entitlement that brought with it by the Imperialists.

Probably privately calls the natives 'darkies'. :rolleyes:

Little Miss Lady

Hunting any animal for sport is one of the scummiest things a human can do!
Most of these animals have done absolutely nothing to warrant being murdered.
Makes me Sick..

El Weirdo

Greentopia wrote: »

...sounds like the type who bemoans Britain's loss of empire with her colonies in Africa... with all the arrogance and sense of entitlement that brought with it by the Imperialists.

Probably privately calls the natives 'darkies'. :rolleyes:

Well, to be fair,

...Sir David Scholey... Tory party donor...

That's a bit of a given, really.

Einhard

whycliff wrote: »

The League Against Cruel Sports said: "It is enormously selfish to kill magnificent animals for sadistic pleasure.

Jake1 wrote: »

Sickens me that people are allowd to shoot such magnificent animals for 'fun'

dirty bastard.:mad:

So hunting is ok as long as only the non-magnificent animals are targeted? Or is all trophy hunting wrong, and should we all be hot-footing it over to the hunting forum to express our moral outrage?

charlemont wrote: »

Pity the lion didn't rip his head off. Shooting animals aint sport its murder.

Umm, not it's not.

My name is URL wrote: »

People will be outraged because it's a lion. If it was a fox or a crow then not many would give a shit. In game parks like that the animals are closely monitored and hunters are never allowed to reduce overall average numbers.. if they did, then their businesses wouldn't be long going bust. I wouldn't be fussed on it myself, but if you're gonna be outraged by it then why not for the animals hunted and killed every day right here?

+1.

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Perhaps you'd like to explain why it's perfectly OK to venture into an animals habitat and kill it for no reason other than 'fun'?

Idiot.

Why isn't it? It's not something I'd do myself, and it'd have to be in an environment where animal numbers are controlled and monitored, but if that's the case, why shouldn't it be an option for people?

The vast majority of hunters do so for the fun. They may eat their kills, but food gathering isn't what motivates them- it's merely a perk of their sport.

Dangerous Man wrote: »

I was tempted to post something slating the animals' rights activists (they're always so feckin' sanctimonious) but have changed my mind. This guy is a clown - a top class moron. Ridiculous behaviour.

Edit: Oh, and good on the Sun for publishing the story.

Why is he a moron? More pertinently, why is he a moron, and the people who post on the hunting forum aren't? Is it because he's rich, and a toff, and a rich British toff (the worst kind!) at that?

Einhard

Greentopia wrote: »

What a brave 'hunter'. Asshole :mad:.
Going off to the Wicklow hills on wild game hunting expeditions to bag a deer... sorry is this 1930 or 2011?!

I edited your post slightly to make a point. Do you hate Irish hunters too?

Little Miss Lady wrote: »

Hunting any animal for sport is one of the scummiest things a human can do!
Most of these animals have done absolutely nothing to warrant being murdered.
Makes me Sick..

They're not murdered. Seriously, look up the definition of murder. It's amazing but people are managing to out-sensationalise the Sun!

J. Marston

"All the animals I hunt are wild beasts. And I have felt threatened by them at times.

Reminds of Jimbo from South Park. ''It's comin' right for us!''

Little Miss Lady

Einhard wrote: »

They're not murdered. Seriously, look up the definition of murder. It's amazing but people are managing to out-sensationalise the Sun!

Well what would you call setting out to deliberately kill something..
Obviously a hunting fan with no conscience for taking the life of something that you've no right to!!!

take everything

Probably reading too much into it but something about that thread title strikes me as rhetorical.
Is this for a quiz OP?

The Davestator

For all the outraged posters, I have a question. Do you feel the same hatred when you see someone fishing? It's the same, hunting and killing a wild animal for sport.

Little Miss Lady

The Davestator wrote: »

For all the outraged posters, I have a question. Do you feel the same hatred when you see someone fishing? It's the same, hunting and killing a wild animal for sport.

Yes I don't think that's fair either tbh.
Something doesn't sit right with me when a person feels the need to take the life of an animal just for fun..

LondonIrish90

El Weirdo wrote: »

Well, to be fair,



That's a bit of a given, really.

Thats quite offensive. You have basically suggested that because he is a conservative he is a racist.

Einhard

Little Miss Lady wrote: »

Well what would you call setting out to deliberately kill something..
Obviously a hunting fan with no conscience for taking the life of something that you've no right to!!!

Why don't they have the right? Where's it stated that no such right exists? Are you a vegan? If not, then consistency demands, that you acknowledge your lack of conscience too.

Greentopia

Einhard wrote: »

Originally Posted by Greentopia
What a brave 'hunter'. Asshole .
Going off to the Wicklow hills on wild game hunting expeditions to bag a deer... sorry is this 1930 or 2011?!

What's your point in changing my quote? I don't equate hunting deer to killing a lion. You want me to fall into your trap of saying OMG THAT'S JUST AS BAD! and that I'm against all hunting? no, sorry, I'm not.

Deer are game, the same as pheasant, rabbit etc.. I don't have a problem in killing them as long as the numbers killed are sustainable and don't cause the species to become endangered, and also if they're killed only for food.

That Tory asshole is trophy hunting an animal that is not food and who's numbers have decreaded enormously since the early 20th century because of hunting and poaching. Big difference.

Liam Byrne

The Davestator wrote: »

For all the outraged posters, I have a question. Do you feel the same hatred when you see someone fishing? It's the same, hunting and killing a wild animal for sport.

Are you suggesting that he's going to eat the lion for dinner with chips ?

Because otherwise your comparison is well off the mark.

J. Marston

The Davestator wrote: »

For all the outraged posters, I have a question. Do you feel the same hatred when you see someone fishing? It's the same, hunting and killing a wild animal for sport.

Completely different, fish don't have cute cubs.

El Weirdo

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Thats quite offensive. You have basically suggested that because he is a conservative he is a racist.

Meh.

Cupcake_Crisis

That man is a scumbag with more money than sense. People like that that infuriate me, inflicting pain for fun, there's something lacking in his personality. :mad:

Einhard

Greentopia wrote: »

What's your point in changing my quote? I don't equate hunting deer to killing a lion. You want me to fall into your trap of saying OMG THAT'S JUST AS BAD! and that I'm against all hunting? no, sorry, I'm not.


Deer are game, the same as pheasant, rabbit etc.. I don't have a problem in killing them as long as the numbers killed are sustainable and don't cause the species to become endangered, and also if they're killed only for food.

As was pointed out earlier in the thread, these reserves are strictly managed and controlled so that the animals are always kept at sustainable levels. It's not at all in the companies interests that the animals become endangered, so that really doesn't come into it.

Also, the majority of hunters in Ireland do so not for food, but for sport. The fact that they might bring home some dinner is an added bonus, but it doesn;t detract from the fact that they hunt for the trill of it. Exactly as this Tory does.

That Tory asshole is trophy hunting an animal that is not food and who's numbers have decreaded enormously since the early 20th century because of hunting and poaching. Big difference.

It could be, and is, argued, that controlled hunting is one of the best ways of protecting endangered species, and ensuring their survival. At the least it gives some jobs to locals, and gives them a stake in the preservation of the animals, which are integral to the businesses involved.

Also- would you be ok with it if he actually ate the lion after? i seriously doubt it. Then you'd be condemning for eating such a magnificent creature!

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Are you suggesting that he's going to eat the lion for dinner with chips ?

Because otherwise your comparison is well off the mark.

The point of fishing, for most anglers, isn't the procurement of food, but the act of fishing itself. They enjoy it. The food is a perk. So the comparison is entirely valid.

Logical Fallacy

Einhard wrote: »

It could be, and is, argued, that controlled hunting is one of the best ways of protecting endangered species, and ensuring their survival. At the least it gives some jobs to locals, and gives them a stake in the preservation of the animals, which are integral to the businesses involved.

I'm not sure i buy the first line at all...i thought that when something was endangered the hunting of it was completely prohibited, assorted agencies list it as Endangered and handling products from the animal in any way becomes a crime?

I also thought that fees from all legal hunting in an area go towards protecting any endangered species within that area...but i am reasonable certain that actually hunting endangered species is a no go?

Einhard

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I'm not sure i buy the first line at all...i thought that when something was endangered the hunting of it was completely prohibited, assorted agencies list it as Endangered and handling products from the animal in any way becomes a crime?

I also thought that fees from all legal hunting in an area go towards protecting any endangered species within that area...but i am reasonable certain that actually hunting endangered species is a no go?

I don't think so. You may be right, but I've never heard of any statute that automatically declares a species off limits once they are listed as endangered. Also, one has to take into account that a species which may be endangered globally, may not have tat status on a local or regional level.

Greentopia

Einhard wrote: »

As was pointed out earlier in the thread, these reserves are strictly managed and controlled so that the animals are always kept at sustainable levels. It's not at all in the companies interests that the animals become endangered, so that really doesn't come into it.

I was talking about the population as a whole. I know there are reserves that manage and control their populations of large animals for companies like that so that rich entitled guys like that Tory pig can pay large amounts of money to inflate their egos and make themselves feel like 'real men' by going to these places to turkey shoot animals that are tracked for them by the locals so they only have to point their high powered telescopic rifles at them and pull the trigger (where's the bravery and sport in that anyway?) talk about the odds being massively in his favour!

I'd like to see how well he would fare if he was dropped into one of these game reserves on his own with only a single shot rifle (no scope), a compass, map, tent and sufficient provisions and told "right don't come back until you've killed a lion". Then we'd see how brave he is.

Einhard wrote: »

Also, the majority of hunters in Ireland do so not for food, but for sport. The fact that they might bring home some dinner is an added bonus, but it doesn;t detract from the fact that they hunt for the trill of it. Exactly as this Tory does.

I don't know how many kill for food and how many kill for the 'sport' of it in this country. Obviously you do?

My personal belief is that if we don't kill game animals, birds, or indeed any animals etc for food for survival or warmth (I'm not talking about rich people buying mink coats for fashion!) then we don't have the right to kill them.

I believe all non-human species have an inherant value, regardless of their sentience and that nature is not there simply to serve us.

We're only one species among many, part of an ecosystem and to kill something when you don't have the intention of consuming is both wasteful and immoral I believe.
If you're going to kill something at least honour the life of the animal by using it to feed or clothe yourself. I think to hunt just for 'sport' debases us as a species.

It is taking more than we need and that (in part at least, I know there are other reasons) has led to the decimation of countless species on this planet; and we do so at our own peril as we are all inter-connected and don't even understand yet how intriciately the web of life is and how our actions can adversely affect not just other species but our own as well.

However as I've stated I don't have a problem with the sustainable killing of certain animals or birds for food as people have done since hunter-gatherer times. And indeed some of these animals can be classed as introduced pests and vermin to farmers and gardeners like rabbits whose numbers have to be kept under control.

Einhard wrote: »

It could be, and is, argued, that controlled hunting is one of the best ways of protecting endangered species, and ensuring their survival. At the least it gives some jobs to locals, and gives them a stake in the preservation of the animals, which are integral to the businesses involved.

Yes that's the argument that's often made for those in favour of such controlled hunting. There are opposing arguments that state that these animals are worth more to the local communities from eco-tourism than hunting. Locals would also have a stake in protecting and preserving animals if they had jobs in the tourist industry in such a scenario.
I found an interesting article here about it the pros and cons of the argument. I'm not convinced such 'canned hunting' really does benefit local communities more than eco tourism projects would, and I find it an immoral practice anyway.

Einhard wrote: »

Also- would you be ok with it if he actually ate the lion after? i seriously doubt it. Then you'd be condemning for eating such a magnificent creature!

Now you're really reaching. We don't eat lions and he doesn't need to travel thousands of miles to an African game reserve to shoot one to have a meal even if he did, so the argument is absurd.
The only people with any right to kill them would be local indigenous people if they were to use them for food, but they don't.

Einhard wrote: »

The point of fishing, for most anglers, isn't the procurement of food, but the act of fishing itself. They enjoy it. The food is a perk. So the comparison is entirely valid.

The difference is if an angler practices catch and release the fish is allowed to swim back in the water to continue it's existence and it's not harmed. It's life is not ended.
I don't have a problem with killing and eating fish for the reasons I've given.

That's all I really have to say about it.

kildare.17hmr

alot of people here have some crazy views, hunters sadistic murderers?? Evil?? Cop on to yourselves.<br />
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I hunt, why because i enjoy it, simple. I eat alot of what i shoot be it rabbit, wood pigeon, duck ect and my dogs eat the first two also. If i shoot a fox it is left and the birds eat it, same with crows, magpies. im not gonna try convince anyone to change their views on hunting but seriously some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous. one post said that hunters enjoy inflicting pain on animals? What an ignorant, uneducated statement to make. Most hunters aim to take down an animal with one clean quick shot, most of the time the animal does not even hear the bang and is dead before it hits the ground, hunting is actually one of the most human and effective ways of controlling numbers. <br />
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Was this guy wrong to do what he did? Hell no, id love to try it myself one day if i ever had the money. Them types of hunts are dangerous no matter what people think and alot of the time they are very close to the animals they are shooting and some people have been killed. Its exciting and its life. Hunting is here to stay and as long as its done responsibly we should not be called "murderers” by people who quite frankly have no idea what they are talking about

kildare.17hmr

mods i posted but some how i deleted thepost when editing it, can one of you put my post back up if its possible?

ItsAWindUp

What an evil man he must be, how the hell can he not think that there's anything wrong with killing a beautiful creature like that? I'm sure that he'll have a great time telling all his millionaire friends about how he slaughtered this animal, shot cowardly from a distance. People like him make me sick, and if he went on another one of these hunting trips and was killed by a wild animal I would feel not one shred of sympathy for him. In fact, it would nearly be a justice of sorts.