United States of Europe Confirmed By Germans

UsernameInUse

(Reuters) - Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder on Sunday called for the creation of a "United States of Europe," saying the bloc needed a common government to avoid future economic crises.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/04/us-germany-europe-idUSTRE7831IE20110904

It's unbelievable to think that our greatest ally in our fight for independence against this shower is now Britain!

Biggins

Hitler must be quietly laughing to himself in hell!

...But genuinely - who didn't see this coming?

chucken1

The article says "called for"..not "confirmed"

<insert uneducated and misinformed statement here>

....hitler etc....

johngalway

I would prefer we leave the EU than take on board that Russian lackeys comments.

Monty Burnz

What exactly has the thread title got to do with the story you linked?

I suppose 'Former German leader expresses political opinion' wasn't controversial enough? :rolleyes:

foxyboxer

USE! USE! USE!

tonycascarino

Yes to Jobs, Yes to Lisbon

Artur Foden

Am i the only one who doesn't mind the idea?

ricero

the 4th reich

foxyboxer

"Great Britain causes the greatest problems. (It is) not in the euro but the British nevertheless always want to participate when it comes to designing a European economic area," he said. "That doesn't work."


Everyone knows that the Brits make for the best baddies.

Snakeblood

Artur Foden wrote: »

Am i the only one who doesn't mind the idea?

Nah. I'm for the USE. And then eventually the galactic federation.

Rojomcdojo

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

<insert uneducated and misinformed statement here>

....hitler etc....

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTngtsOY8Q

Orando Broom

"Dotin' oul bollix thinks Europe should be ran differently."

Precise value of his opinion: zero.

Snakeblood

foxyboxer wrote: »

"Great Britain causes the greatest problems. (It is) not in the euro but the British nevertheless always want to participate when it comes to designing a European economic area," he said. "That doesn't work."


Everyone knows that the Brits make for the best baddies.

Arabs are so boring as baddies. you also can't understand what they say as they run towards Rambo firing wildly in the air.

UsernameInUse

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What exactly has the thread title got to do with the story you linked?

I suppose 'Former German leader expresses political opinion' wasn't controversial enough? :rolleyes:

A high ranking official has stated for the first time that " we will have to give up our national sovereignty". This is a huge statement, never before uttered. It now confirms what the eurosceptics feared all along right from Masstricht. The E.U wants total power over.

My name is URL

That'd all be well and good if the EU actually functioned properly. I can't see his idea being widely supported right now.

Richard Hillman

You gotta hand it to Germany, they never gave up. 3rd time lucky and all that.

minidazzler

Artur Foden wrote: »

Am i the only one who doesn't mind the idea?

I don't just not mid it, I'm pretty supportive of it. We are incapable of electing a good government for ourselves.

Biggins

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You gotta hand it to Germany, they never gave up. 3rd time lucky and all that.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again...

Monty Burnz

UsernameInUse wrote: »

A high ranking official has stated for the first time that " we will have to give up our national sovereignty".

Oh yeah? What exactly is his rank?

UsernameInUse wrote: »

blah blah blah paranoid nonsense

Good point.

Snakeblood

UsernameInUse wrote: »

A high ranking official has stated for the first time that " we will have to give up our national sovereignty". This is a huge statement, never before uttered. It now confirms what the eurosceptics feared all along right from Masstricht. The E.U wants total power over.

What's he a high ranking official of exactly?

UsernameInUse

Artur Foden wrote: »

Am i the only one who doesn't mind the idea?

minidazzler wrote: »

I don't just not mid it, I'm pretty supportive of it. We are incapable of electing a good government for ourselves.

Neither of you two want to live in a USE - words can't begin to describe the total horror.

Snakeblood

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Neither of you two want to live in a USE - words can't begin to describe the total horror.

Is it worse than Darndale?

conorhal

It's an inevitable necessity for Eurozone countries, and naturally the super-statists have seized the opportunity provided by the current economic crisis to perform the coup de gra power grab.

"It's necessary for economic stability"

Sounds a lot like "Yes for jobs!" doesn't it?

Fuk you Germany, I hope that your United States of Europe ends up with a Greek finance minister, a Brit in foreign affairs and a Paddy in charge of Banking!

UsernameInUse

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Oh yeah? What exactly is his rank?

Good point.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt - shame when people refuse to acknowledge inconsistencies that cause great inconvenience to their preferred world view.

Monty Burnz

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Neither of you two want to live in a USE - words can't begin to describe the total horror.

Brilliant. I can't help feeling you haven't thought your objection through. Can you imagine the misery of living in an Ireland run as well as Germany? The horror of efficient health and transport systems? The competent politicians and local government? The sickening financial stability? The reasonably cost of living?

My BLOOD RUNS COLD. :eek:

CrackisWhack

Snakeblood wrote: »

What's he a high ranking official of exactly?

Well he is a former Chancellor of the largest economy in Europe?

Artur Foden

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Neither of you two want to live in a USE - words can't begin to describe the total horror.

But why? How will things be different in everyday life?

And Im not a total Ireland hating euro-phile or anything, i don't think the Germans are better at running a country than we are. I just like the idea of a USE

So long as it remains democratic in nature I look forward to a unified europe.

Liam Byrne

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What exactly has the thread title got to do with the story you linked?

I suppose 'Former German leader expresses political opinion' wasn't controversial enough? :rolleyes:

A high ranking official has stated for the first time that " we will have to give up our national sovereignty". This is a huge statement, never before uttered. It now confirms what the eurosceptics feared all along right from Masstricht. The E.U wants total power over.

A FORMER high-ranking official......he has as much clout as Bertie Ahern or John Bruton now that he's NO LONGER a high-ranking official.

So we need a thread title correction so that it's at least truthful.

That said, given what our own homegrown politicians managed to do, I'd nearly welcome outside management, as long as they ditched their own agenda and actually worked for the good of everyone.

hooradiation

Snakeblood wrote: »

What's he a high ranking official of exactly?

Well he is the chairman of the board of Nord Stream AG i guess that's pretty high ranking and kind of official.
Not sure how that affords him such amazing clairvoyancy though.

Monty Burnz

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt - shame when people refuse to acknowledge inconsistencies that cause great inconvenience to their preferred world view.

As far as I'm aware, it's not a river in Egypt at all. You may be getting confused with the river Nile though.

CrackisWhack

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Brilliant. I can't help feeling you haven't thought your objection through. Can you imagine the misery of living in an Ireland run as well as Germany? The horror of efficient health and transport systems? The competent politicians and local government? The sickening financial stability? The reasonably cost of living?

My BLOOD RUNS COLD. :eek:

Like Ireland would be such an important cog in the wheel of Europe, we would be the equivalent of Tennessee in the U.S. of A.

tfitzgerald

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt

Lol ! Germany lost the war but it looks like they are winning the peace so here's to the fourth Reich

Procasinator

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany is nonsense. Would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland; we wouldn't be saying "Ireland confirms ..." then, would we.

Snakeblood

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Well he is a former Chancellor of the largest economy in Europe?

So he used to be one. Right. That makes a difference.

I used to be the most powerful man in the world. Back then my proclamations carried a lot of weight. Now as I am no longer the most powerful man in the world, my proclamations sound more like opinions.

My name is URL

Can any of the fervent supporters of the idea give a brief outline of how exactly a federalised Europe would help a nation such as Ireland?

Sykk

minidazzler wrote: »

I don't just not mid it, I'm pretty supportive of it. We are incapable of electing a good government for ourselves.

+1.

I've said this years ago. Germany and France are two of the only countries that actually know how to run a country. They don't elect bloody school teachers or people without relevant expertise & qualifications..

I'd love to let them in here to have a look at our shít health, transport and educations system. They'd soon have the place running properly IMO.

Biggins

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland.

For me, the most import bit is the following - something some seemed to have skipped over a bit too quickly to grasp implications:

Schroeder, who nurtured a close relationship with France during his leadership, welcomed an initiative launched by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy to move toward a fiscal union in 2012.

So we have Schroeder to is bearing a same line of thinking as the current present lot in Germany and France - all thinking alike - and possibly planning for the future towards it and/or how to make it happen!

CrackisWhack

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland.

Of course it's not an official stance, however he spent time in power in Germany (while they were in the EU, when all these agendas & plans we're being drawn up) and I'm sure he's very clued in to their current political plans.

CrackisWhack

Snakeblood wrote: »

So he used to be one. Right. That makes a difference.

I used to be the most powerful man in the world. Back then my proclamations carried a lot of weight. Now as I am no longer the most powerful man in the world, my proclamations sound more like opinions.

:pac:

Are you comparing yourself to the last chancellor of Germany to validate your point? Doesn't work really.

Monty Burnz

Conspiracy theory board tbh.

Snakeblood

My name is URL wrote: »

Can any of the fervent supporters of the idea give a brief outline of how exactly a federalised Europe would help a nation such as Ireland?

I'm assuming robot power suits for all until I'm told different.

Godwined right from the start!
But anyway, I used to be in favour of a more united Europe of equal partners, but now it's clear that any union will be very unequal with Germany (financially) in the driving seat. They,re desperatly trying to recover all the money their population has been saving and was squandered by their banks on get rich schemes when they overlent to other European countries like Ireland.

It's broke, why does Germany want to tie itself to the sinking Greeks, they'll get pulled down quicker than if they cut loose.

Snakeblood

CrackisWhack wrote: »

:pac:

Are you comparing yourself to the last chancellor of Germany to validate your point? Doesn't work really.

No, I'm explaining the difference between a currently powerful person and a person who used to be powerful. It appears to be lost on the OP.

Sykk

Procasinator wrote: »

Thread title should be changed too:

"Former German Chancellor gives Opinion"

His opinion may be interesting, but to say it confirms an official stance of Germany is nonsense. Would be like if Micheál Martin gave an interview about a wish he had for the future of Ireland; we wouldn't be saying "Ireland confirms ..." then, would we.

Schroeder, who nurtured a close relationship with France during his leadership, welcomed an initiative launched by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy to move toward a fiscal union in 2012.

Their proposal, which would mean giving up sovereignty over budgetary policies with the aim to shore up the 17-nation currency union, has received a lukewarm response from other euro zone countries.

...

Snakeblood

Deleted User wrote: »

Godwined right from the start!
But anyway, I used to be in favour of a more united Europe of equal partners, but now it's clear that any union will be very unequal with Germany (financially) in the driving seat. They,re desperatly trying to recover all the money their population has been saving and was squandered by their banks on get rich schemes when they overlent to other European countries like Ireland.

It's broke, why does Germany want to tie itself to the sinking Greeks, they'll get pulled down quicker than if they cut loose.

I was reading an interview about that with a current Dutch politician. The problem is once you start cutting one loose, you probably keep cutting, because it gets easier once the first is done, then any country that hits difficulty gets cut loose, defeating the purpose of having a union.

saywhatyousee

Liam Byrne wrote: »

as long as they ditched their own agenda and actually worked for the good of everyone.

How likely do you think that is ?

Biggins

saywhatyousee wrote: »

How likely do you think that is ?

Just as likely and soon as Hell freezes and Lord Lucan returns to life on Shergar, riding up O'Connell street.

Monty Burnz

Their proposal, which would mean giving up sovereignty over budgetary policies with the aim to shore up the 17-nation currency union, has received a lukewarm response from other euro zone countries.

I'm still hoping for more information on the River Denial in Egypt. Can't find it in Wikipedia.

UsernameInUse

From the way this thread is going, it's clear to see we're a nation of re-actives.

"Good for us blah blah, look at our education, health...can't run our country". These are the same people that'll be complaining when the taxes are spread right across the board and our American companies flee to Germany and France; the same people who will lose jobs to the Big Boys in Europe while little oul Ireland is thrown into the Atlantic, no local governments to listen to your cries. LMAO

Pearce and the men and women that fought for independence are turning in their graves.