Has the increase in atheism also increased the amount of...?

Oranage2

Has the increase in atheism also increased the amount of sins being comminted?

Now you dont have to believe in God to know right from wrong but it seems that as some sort of retailiation there is a massive increase in

- Murder
- Rape
- Homosexuality
- Stealing
- Adultary

I know the church hasnt been great but surely 10-20 years ago society was a better place.

Any thoughts?

MagicMarker

Are you taking the piss?

Fremen

The increase in athiesm has massively reduced the amount of sins committed.



They're not sins anymore.

robindch

Certainly been a decline in the standards of spelling 'n' grammar.

nozzferrahhtoo

Oranage2 wrote: »

Any thoughts?

In your post? None that I could discern at least.

I would be curious which statistics you are using to indicate a "massive increase in" the crimes you listed. Also curious to know if you mean a numerical increase or a statistical one... in that given the population is larger you would expect a numerical increase of some sort... even if over all % per capita reduces.

Maybe you can cite some of your sources?

seamus

Oranage2 wrote: »

surely 10-20 years ago society was a better place.

[Citation Needed]

number10a

Are you actually putting homosexuality on the same level as murder, rape and stealing?!?!?

How, might I ask, has the increase in numbers of homosexuals living openly caused society to worsen over the last 10-20 years?

Beruthiel

Oranage,
you're going to have to come up with proof before I buy any of that.

number10a wrote: »

Are you actually putting homosexuality on the same level as murder, rape and stealing?!?!?

Tis a terrible crime you know. Every kind, love your fellow man god follower knows that!

JBnaglfar

Seriously?

Taking 2 seconds to search on google, I find that rates of violent crime, murder, burglary, rape, assault and property crime have all decreased in the US over the last 20 years. I know this is just one country, but you don't specify where the supposed increases are taking place.

Link.

MagicMarker

Well here's one source that gives the US murder per year between 1976-2007 and as you can see the murder rate is way down after peaking in the 90's.

Warning: Excel sheet!

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0308.xls

I think the OP is simply making shit up.

mickoneill30

Thought I'd help the OP out.

http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/statistics_cri_crime_murder.html

31 Homicides in 1991
56 in 2000
That list only goes to 2007

So this goes to 2010
http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ
57 in 2010

That's not counting dangerous driving leading to death. I'm pretty sure religion doesn't matter there.

So from 2000 to 2010 the massive increase of murders was 1.
How much did the population increase in those 10 years?

How many people went from religious to atheist?
How many murderers put atheist on their census results?

BrerWolf

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ


The link above should take you to the homicide stats for ireland from 2004 to 2010.

homicides DID increase from 2004 to 2007, but then dipped....

Did people start becoming more religious in 2008?

Fremen

Even if we accept that there has been a rise in crime over the past 10-20 years, can we really attribute it to a decline in religion?

Alternative hypothesis:



This graph clearly shows that the decline in moral standards correlates perfectly with the decline in salmon stocks. Therefore, salmon prevent crime.

soterpisc

- Murder
- Rape
- Stealing
- Adultary

Are wrong, does not mater if you have faith or not. A guy who cheats on his wife who is an atheist causes the same pain as a believer to cheats.

What is the point of this thread? My Father is an Atheist and has stong morals. He is a far better example than many believers.

Wile E. Coyote

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Thought I'd help the OP out.

http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/statistics_cri_crime_murder.html

31 Homicides in 1991
56 in 2000
That list only goes to 2007

Anything to show that the additional murders were committed by Atheists?

Blackhorse Slim

On the plus side, incidences of priests raping children are on the decline

magicbastarder

MagicMarker wrote: »

Well here's one source that gives the US murder per year between 1976-2007 and as you can see the murder rate is way down after peaking in the 90's.

Warning: Excel sheet!

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0308.xls

I think the OP is simply making shit up.

i think the OP is trolling. however, it's worth mentioning the effect that dubner and leavitt reported (i can't remember if it's their theory) that abortion (potentially) has on crime rates, in freakonomics.

cavedave

Oranage2

- Murder
- Rape
- Homosexuality
- Stealing
- Adultary

Any thoughts?
The freakonomics argument is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCH_OewK_KI

The economists do not use it as an argument in favour of abortion. If you really believe abortion is murder it possibly preventing an unlikely future murder is not and should not be persuasive.


Rape has actually declined even faster than other crimes. The explanation as to why it is getting better even faster than murder seems to be internet porn. How the Web Prevents Rape

Homosexuality and Adultery as consenting acts between adults are not crimes. Why do you regard them as a sin?

Destroyer666

The increase in atheism means a lot less bigotry, ie people are less likely to care if your gay or even if you are religious an athiest is less likely to think differently of you than that of a religious person with a friend of a different fate or race.

magicbastarder

cavedave wrote: »

The economists do not use it as an argument in favour of abortion. If you really believe abortion is murder it possibly preventing an unlikely future murder is not and should not be persuasive.

yeah, they're quite careful to distance themselves from their examination being any sort of moral judgment on the issue.

Dades

seamus

Destroyer666 wrote: »

The increase in atheism means a lot less bigotry, ie people are less likely to care if your gay or even if you are religious an athiest is less likely to think differently of you than that of a religious person with a friend of a different fate or race.

To be fair, religion has never had a monopoly on bigotry or -isms, but it did cause them to reach bigger audiences and get somewhat formalised.

Humans tend towards forming coherent community groups and viewing outsiders or those with differences with suspicion and sometimes hatred.

The same arguments that are used by many people nowadays to describe homosexuality - "It's not natural", "It's just plain wrong", "It's an abomination" and so forth, were once upon a time (though not long ago) used to describe those individuals cursed with the affliction of being left-handed.

If you consider how utterly absurd it is to think of left-handedness as anything but a difference, it makes it quite unbelieveable that people would be persecuted on that basis.

But that's the nature of the human. Similarities are ordered, they're neat. If everyone works the same way and thinks the same way, then the rules and norms of your society are easier to formulate and enforce.
When a difference appears, it disrupts the orderly working of that society and rather than alter our society to account for this difference, the human tendancy is to shun the people who are different. Or at least has been in the past.

And you see this in all kinds of societies and communities, including religious groups. "Radicals" are shunned, and those with a dissenting opinion are cast out as troublemakers. Even in small or specialist groups who consider themselves as "united outsiders", will shun members who don't conform to their interpretation of "outsider".

So I wouldn't say that an increase in atheism has caused an increase of any kind of non-bigotry. If anything, atheism is the result of an increase in free-thinking and anti-*isms, as those who have always questioned the norm feel free to do so without specific persecution.

Maybe the hippies have won in the end.

Turtwig

Oranage2 wrote: »

Has the increase in atheism also increased the amount of sins being comminted?

Now you dont have to believe in God to know right from wrong but it seems that as some sort of retailiation there is a massive increase in

- Murder
- Rape
- Homosexuality
- Stealing
- Adultary

I know the church hasnt been great but surely 10-20 years ago society was a better place.

Any thoughts?

You are absolutely right there has been an increase in all of the above. Crimes of Murder and Rape perpetrated by atheists are on the rise, so too is the amount of atheists adulterers. Even worse, is the number of atheist who choose to be homosexuals. It's all since we started to turn our backs on the Church. They might think they know better than us, but no man is before Righteous before God! Say a prayer for our brothers and sisters, pray that they find their way back to the faith and this world saves itself from the perils of collapse.

God Bless,
Malt.

Please note if this was the response you are expecting then please kindly f**k off and get in tune with reality. On behalf of Christians and Atheists, alike.

Malt

Oranage2

I wasnt posing this as a statement just more a question hence the question mark - ?

Also I never said that homsexuality or adultary are crimes just that they are sins - We all know its 'trendy' being gay so more people chose that lifestyle -

I see people are just sheep - tell them the world is flat and everybody believes - tell them the God doesnt exsist and by golly people believe that too.

magicbastarder

Oranage2 wrote: »

We all know its 'trendy' being gay so more people chose that lifestyle

if you're gonna troll, try a little subtlety.
unless you know many people who have taken to gobbling on genitals they'd usually turn their nose at, simply to be down with the kids (unfortunate pun unintended).

Delirium

:rolleyes:

No, it's not atheism that's to blame, it's mobile phone ownership. The growth in the number of people sinning is matched by the rate of increase in mobile phone owners.

Ghost Buster

magicbastarder wrote: »

if you're gonna troll, try a little subtlety.
unless you know many people who have taken to gobbling on genitals they'd usually turn their nose at, simply to be down with the kids (unfortunate pun unintended).

Post of the century!!!!!!:D

Ghost Buster

Oranage2 wrote: »

I wasnt posing this as a statement just more a question hence the question mark - ?

Also I never said that homsexuality or adultary are crimes just that they are sins - We all know its 'trendy' being gay so more people chose that lifestyle -

I see people are just sheep - tell them the world is flat and everybody believes - tell them the God doesnt exsist and by golly people believe that too.

Who tells people God doesnt exist again???

ANXIOUS

JBnaglfar wrote: »

Seriously?

Taking 2 seconds to search on google, I find that rates of violent crime, murder, burglary, rape, assault and property crime have all decreased in the US over the last 20 years. I know this is just one country, but you don't specify where the supposed increases are taking place.

Link.

I wa actually reading a report on this before, they actually put the lower crime rates down to the introduction of abortion.

seamus

koth wrote: »

:rolleyes:

No, it's not atheism that's to blame, it's mobile phone ownership. The growth in the number of people sinning is matched by the rate of increase in mobile phone owners.

Turtwig

seamus wrote: »

BASTARD!!!:mad:

(Guess what was in my clipboard.)

Has the increase in atheism also increased the amount of sins being comminted?

Crimes aren't covered up as much now perhaps...

optogirl

Oranage2 wrote: »

We all know its 'trendy' being gay so more people chose that lifestyle -

yeah, real trendy. I'm sure these trendsters are loving the daily bigotry and nonsense they have to endure from the likes of yourself as well as their inability to get married or adopt in this country. What Larks!

The Mad Hatter

seamus wrote: »

Every time I see this one, I cringe at what he does with the laptop in the second panel...:(

Zombrex

Oranage2 wrote: »

Has the increase in atheism also increased the amount of sins being comminted?

Sins are defined as actions which go against the will or instruction of God.

Since God doesn't exist neither does sin.
Thus sins have never been committed.
Thus there can be no trend of an increase or decrease.

/thread

Ghost Buster

optogirl wrote: »

yeah, real trendy. I'm sure these trendsters are loving the daily bigotry and nonsense they have to endure from the likes of yourself as well as their inability to get married or adopt in this country. What Larks!

High heel, corsets, piercings, tattoos, homosexuality... The thing folk endure for fashion;)

magicbastarder

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Every time I see this one, I cringe at what he does with the laptop in the second panel...:(

i was at a sales pitch given by IBM where they insisted most people carry around laptops like that.

kylith

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Every time I see this one, I cringe at what he does with the laptop in the second panel...:(

magicbastarder wrote: »

i was at a sales pitch given by IBM where they insisted most people carry around laptops like that.

I don't carry my laptop like that, but I do lift it like that. Everytime I do I can feel thousands of IT guys wince.

challengemaster

Oranage2 wrote: »

I see people are just sheep - tell them the world is flat and everybody believes - tell them the God doesnt exsist and by golly people believe that too.

That's funny. I assume you were thinking all for yourself when you concluded that there is a "God" too then?

Oranage2

challengemaster wrote: »

That's funny. I assume you were thinking all for yourself when you concluded that there is a "God" too then?

I thought long and hard about my religion - God has been very good to me, he answers all my prayers, I stopped praying to him for material things too, all i paey for is my family and he has kept them all blessed.

There was a time when i stopped believing and my life went to the crapper -

Now with my weekly donations to my online church, i get support from other Born again Christians and I'm a much happier person as a result.

Dades

Troll elsewhere, Oranage2.