Should you be allowed drive after failing a driving test?

Oranage2

Lets behonost, the driving test isnt hard, its a 35 minute long test and you're allowed make 8 mistakes which breaks down to 4.3 minutes of driving for every mistake - if you cant drive 4 minutes without making a mistake then I'm sorry but you are a danger to everyone and should not be allowed to drive on the road where you could cause harm and even death.

Also a lot of learner drivers are truely shocking, I disagree with beeping them and tail gating but surely a certain standard must be reached before you let somebody drive a ton worth of metal at 60km/h.

A lot of lives are taking on the roads and it always seem to be young drivers but I would love to see the statisics of how many learner drivers actually kill.

So should learner/ people who failed there test be allowed drive on our roads?

unitedrover

For a serious Category 1 error, I think you fail if you get one mistake.

commited

Well assuming that you are acknowledging that it's illegal to drive unaccompanied without having passed a driving test, how do you expect people to learn how to drive? There is only so much you can learn in a car park...

If you were talking about driving without a fully licensed driver, well of course that shouldn't be allowed!

I do think there is a fair bit to be said for driver education being part of the school curriculum though - a little bit of education goes a long way!

jhegarty

So 1 failed driving test and you can never drive again ?

unitedrover

jhegarty wrote: »

So 1 failed driving test and you can never drive again ?

That'd be a bit harsh really. you could get nerves and fail as a result. After failing you should be allowed continue driving accompanied.

Oranage2

jhegarty wrote: »

So 1 failed driving test and you can never drive again ?

No, just not allowed drive on the roads, why should my life be put in danger by somebody who was testes and deemed un safe to drive?


@ comminted - Also that full licence driving thing is a load of non-sense. A full driver cant control the car thus allowing the learner driver full control which is the problem in the first place.

erhaps schools should be set up to teach learner drivers cause I cenrtainly dont like helping them knowing my life is in danger.

jhegarty

Oranage2 wrote: »

No, just not allowed drive on the roads, why should my life be put in danger by somebody who was testes and deemed un safe to drive?

Where do you suggest they do drive ?

You do know you can fail your driving test for been in the wrong gear 4 times on that 35 minute drive. Not everyone who fails a test does it for safety reasons.

si_guru

Oranage2 wrote: »

Perhaps schools should be set up to teach learner drivers cause I cenrtainly dont like helping them knowing my life is in danger.

They do exist and IIRC it is now compulsory to take lessons before your test.(?)

Having a qualified driver alonside a learner is to spread the risk assement.. the leaner can leanr drive the car whilst the accompanying driver keeps allert for danger and advises.

..the problem is that law is not enforced. I see loads of hopeless L drivers out "bumper car" driving.

...and we were all learners once, so let's not blame them!

tin79

Oranage2 wrote: »

why should my life be put in danger by somebody who was testes and deemed un safe to drive?

Just because they made a balls of one test does not mean they are a danger

**Timbuk2**

Oranage2, there's lots of dangers on the road, but I wouldn't say that learners who are being accompanied are the most dangerous.

In fact, you are much more likely to be involved in an accident within the first year after passing your test than you are while learning, mainly because when you get your full licence, you can legally drive without being accompanied, and you can also drive on motorways alone (despite not having any training on motorways previously), etc.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the current system, which allows you to keep driving after you have failed the test provided you are accompanied. I mean people have to learn sometime! The old system where people could legally drive alone on second provisional licences was a bit bizarre, because you could drive to your test alone, fail the test, then drive home alone, all perfectly legally. Now you have to be accompanied whether you are on your first, second or subsequent learner permits.

newbie2

Oranage2 wrote: »

...somebody who was testes....

I lol'd

I imagine you are the best driver in the world and never make mistakes on the road?

The full licence thing is so a deriver can take control of the car in circumstances where the lerner does not feel capable or is not capable of proceding. (they obv. get out of the car and swap seats :rolleyes:)

Satnd alone lerner schools would be too expensive. IMO it should be taught in secondary schools.

BuzzFish

Of course you should not be aloud to drive after failing the test, not unless you are sitting next to a qualified instructor or a responsible person with many years of driving experience under their belt.

But then again, this is Ireland :rolleyes:

commited

Oranage2 wrote: »

No, just not allowed drive on the roads, why should my life be put in danger by somebody who was testes and deemed un safe to drive?

@ commited - Also that full licence driving thing is a load of non-sense. A full driver cant control the car thus allowing the learner driver full control which is the problem in the first place.

erhaps schools should be set up to teach learner drivers cause I cenrtainly dont like helping them knowing my life is in danger.

Facist much?

I'm assuming you passed your test first time and therefore are the best, safest driver on the road?

Did you drive unaccompanied before you passed your test?

As said, it's not only on safety reasons that you fail your test, a mate of mine actually failed for not making enough progress - he was just accelerating too slowly.

cadaliac

Oranage2 wrote: »

@ comminted - Also that full licence driving thing is a load of non-sense. A full driver cant control the car thus allowing the learner driver full control which is the problem in the first place.

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Having a fully licensed driver is not non-sense. It gives an in-experienced driver the necessary confidence and opinions from an experienced driver when in the car.
It's not perfect but you have to start somewhere.

Raskolnikov

Bizarre suggestion. If you fail your test once, how are you supposed to be able to practice for your next test again?

As long as the learner driver is accompanied by a fully licensed driver, I don't see any problem in letting the learner driver on the road.

Raskolnikov

Oranage2 wrote: »

A lot of lives are taking on the roads and it always seem to be young drivers but I would love to see the statisics of how many learner drivers actually kill.

Most fatalities happen in the early hours of the morning and during holidays/weekends. Accidents are less a learner driver problem, and more a young person getting into a car after 10 pints and driving way too fast down country roads type of problem.

L-M

@ OP

Did you some how hop into a car and know how to drive perfectly and not make a single mistake?

Oranage2

Limerick man wrote: »

@ OP

Did you some how hop into a car and know how to drive perfectly and not make a single mistake?

I'll admit it, I passed my provisinal, then applied for the full test 6 months later, didnt drive up until 2 weeks before the test, took 2 lessons and passed my full test in the car I got the lessons in as i had no car of my own.

My opinion was after the test that if its that easy then the people failing it must be really bad/dangerous.

I also got marked down 3 times, 2 for driving to slow (nerves) and 1 for a left turn.

If you fail you're test you should be made learn on private property or driving school.

As for learner drivers, you are allowed on the road with a qualified driver instructor for the first 6 months - after that you must drive on private property

166man

I believe that for the first say six months after passing the driving test, people who have received their full licence should have to drive accompanied again and phase it out eventually. I mean how much better is someone's driving going to be two weeks after getting their full licence than two weeks before their test.

Their is an attitude in Ireland that once you have that pink slip of paper, you are automatically a excellent driver and well capable of handling dangers on the roads, that simply is not true

When I passed my test 18 months ago, there wasn't a huge difference between my driving a week before the test and a week after, only difference being I could drive alone... Just because you have a full licence does not make you a good driver..

Oranage2

166man wrote: »

I believe that for the first say six months after passing the driving test, people who have received their full licence should have to drive accompanied again and phase it out eventually. I mean how much better is someone's driving going to be two weeks after getting their full licence than two weeks before their test.

Their is an attitude in Ireland that once you have that pink slip of paper, you are automatically a excellent driver and well capable of handling dangers on the roads, that simply is not true

When I passed my test 18 months ago, there wasn't a huge difference between my driving a week before the test and a week after, only difference being I could drive alone... Just because you have a full licence does not make you a good driver..

Very true though by failing your test doesnt that mean you're a terrible driver?

vibe666

i'm going to assume the OP means that learner drivers shouldn't be allowed to drive unaccompanied, particularly after having just failed their test.

talk to someone in the UK and tell them that in Ireland, learner drivers can drive to their driving test on their own, fail the test and then drive home again, still unaccompanied and they'll look at you like you're insane.

it's almost 18 years since i passed my test in the UK and my instructor wouldn't even allow me to drive home after i PASSED my test, never mind when i failed.

the whole idea of learner drivers being able to drive around unaccompanied is ridiculous and dangerous and not enough has been done to put an end to it since the laws were changed, which i think was more than a couple of years ago at this stage.

no learner driver should be allowed out on the road unaccompanied at all, ever.

EDITED to point out the bleeding obvious.

inforfun

No more of the learner driver mess.
I dont think any L-plated car with only 1 person in it has ever been checked whether or not that person had a full license or not.
It is impossible to police, so just get rid of it altogether.

Take lessons at driving school > driving instructor decides you are ready for an exam > exam.

Pass? Ok, there you go here is your pink laminated piece of paper that looks like you made it yourself
Fail? Go back to school and come back when you are really ready.

And i do think there should be a limit to how many times someone is allowed to fail a driving exam.
As with everything in life for some things you do have talent, for others you dont.

If you cant pass a driving test in 5 attempts, you clearly lack the talent to drive.

Cool Mo D

vibe666 wrote: »

talk to someone in the UK and tell them that in Ireland, learner drivers can drive to their driving test on their own, fail the test and then drive home again, still unaccompanied and they'll look at you like you're insane.

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no learner driver should be allowed out on the road unaccompanied at all, ever.

Learner drivers are never allowed drive unaccompanied in Ireland, just the same as the UK.

cena

Ya you should. We all don't live in a city town where there's public transport.

jhegarty

vibe666 wrote: »

i'm going to assume the OP means that learner drivers shouldn't be allowed to drive unaccompanied, particularly after having just failed their test.

talk to someone in the UK and tell them that in Ireland, learner drivers can drive to their driving test on their own, fail the test and then drive home again, still unaccompanied and they'll look at you like you're insane.

it's almost 18 years since i passed my test in the UK and my instructor wouldn't even allow me to drive home after i PASSED my test, never mind when i failed.

the whole idea of learner drivers being able to drive around unaccompanied is ridiculous and dangerous and not enough has been done to put an end to it since the laws were changed, which i think was more than a couple of years ago at this stage.

no learner driver should be allowed out on the road unaccompanied at all, ever.

You might not be aware , but the law in Ireland is the same as the UK now.

vibe666

Cool Mo D wrote: »

Learner drivers are never allowed drive unaccompanied in Ireland, just the same as the UK.

jhegarty wrote: »

You might not be aware , but the law in Ireland is the same as the UK now.

i know that, as i have already stated in my post (the one you quoted, i've highlighted it now for anyone with reading difficulties), but that doesn't change the number of people driving round with L plates unaccompanied, several of whom are people i know who have never passed their test, hence the part where i said not enough is being done to put a stop to it. :rolleyes:

monument

inforfun wrote: »

No more of the learner driver mess.
I dont think any L-plated car with only 1 person in it has ever been checked whether or not that person had a full license or not.
It is impossible to police, so just get rid of it altogether.

Gardai did step up enforcement two years or so ago but there was a lot of crying about it on the radio that it was depriving people of work etc, some crazy comments like that people shouldn't have to be afraid to go out and drive alone without a licence (ie break the law) and political pressure was too great so that bit of enforcement just had to fade away.

commited

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'll admit it, I passed my provisinal, then applied for the full test 6 months later, didnt drive up until 2 weeks before the test, took 2 lessons and passed my full test in the car I got the lessons in as i had no car of my own.

Do you think that makes you a good driver? There is no way that with 2 weeks experience on the road you are ready for every situation that you could encounter.

Oranage2

cena wrote: »

Ya you should. We all don't live in a city town where there's public transport.

Not my problem - what is my problem is that learner drivers are putting life at risk everyday

commited wrote: »

Do you think that makes you a good driver? There is no way that with 2 weeks experience on the road you are ready for every situation that you could encounter.

good point - but by failing it surely shows that you're incompitint driving even 35 minutes so you should not be allowed drive at all unless supervised by an driving instructor in a controlled enviorment.

commited

Oranage2 wrote: »

good point - but by failing it surely shows that you're incompitint driving even 35 minutes so you should not be allowed drive at all unless supervised by an driving instructor in a controlled enviorment.

I totally agree that everyone should be taught by professionals. However, there are many driving tests that are passed by people that shouldn't be on the road. It isn't an ultimate ticket that results in perfect driving ability, if this wasn't the case then the level of driving in Ireland would be vastly superior. On the flip side, there are people who fail who make a mistake during their test, learn from it, and pass second time perfectly. I guarantee that if you'd been put into a situation that you hadn't encountered before, you would have failed and ultimately wouldn't be spouting nonsense that a completely discretionary process determines that a driver must be a danger to the roads.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'll admit it, I passed my provisinal, then applied for the full test 6 months later, didnt drive up until 2 weeks before the test, took 2 lessons and passed my full test in the car I got the lessons in as i had no car of my own.

My opinion was after the test that if its that easy then the people failing it must be really bad/dangerous.

I also got marked down 3 times, 2 for driving to slow (nerves) and 1 for a left turn.

If you fail you're test you should be made learn on private property or driving school.

As for learner drivers, you are allowed on the road with a qualified driver instructor for the first 6 months - after that you must drive on private property

Driving in a driving school is vastly different from driving on proper roads, if they could only do that then by your logic they would have full licenses having on driven on proper roads with traffic for 20 minutes, ridiculous.

166man wrote: »

I believe that for the first say six months after passing the driving test, people who have received their full licence should have to drive accompanied again and phase it out eventually. I mean how much better is someone's driving going to be two weeks after getting their full licence than two weeks before their test.

Their is an attitude in Ireland that once you have that pink slip of paper, you are automatically a excellent driver and well capable of handling dangers on the roads, that simply is not true

When I passed my test 18 months ago, there wasn't a huge difference between my driving a week before the test and a week after, only difference being I could drive alone... Just because you have a full licence does not make you a good driver..

That is such a silly idea. You passed the same test as everyone else from the last 20 years, but wait, they're allowed drive and you're not. The test is so called as it tests whether you should be allowed to drive or not, if you pass you are obviously good enough and safe enough to drive. Of course your driving isnt going to magically change just because you passed, but your driving 1 week before the test was obviously of a good standard hence why you passed, what else do you expect? I really don't understand where you are going with that statement.

Do people in this thread actually think that learner drivers are the dangerous ones? :rolleyes: