Do you think Dublin it too 'up itself'

bayern282

I've got my fireproof clothing donned for this ''Ireland-dissing,Dublin-dissing thread'' so know what's coming abuse wise!

But, the point I'm trying to make here is, if (in my experience anyway ) you go around places like Central London, Madrid, Brussels, Manchester which are all infinitely more sophisticated and cosmopolitan than Dublin , and a host of other cities you can think of.

....you don't experience the random, mindless sort of hostility that you experience in Dublin, eg; randomly being called a ''prick'', ''knacker'', ''****'', ''fag'' the list goes on.

what makes me laugh about Dublin / Ireland is that it thinks it's the ''mutts nutts'', a cold light of day analysis reveals a bigoted, bankrupt, backward society riven with pseudo middle class faux sophistication. Don't get me wrong for a second, I love people that I class as the ''old'' Irish, ie; friendly, earthy, socialist in outlook but I loathe the ''nouveaux Irish'', ie; the type of people who might have to emigrate to London but turn their noses up at mixing with the ''paddies'' who went there before them.

Expect a bit of flak for this thread, but am mindful that there'll be hostile posters who might see things differently if were explained in person.

chucken1

Ah dont expect too much flak...it wont last long

flutterflye

Gawd yeah.
The other day I caught Dublin checking itself out in the windows on Grafton Street.

(I should probably start actually reading the thread first.....)

Wertz

*sets up popcorn stall*

Jesus Wept

~Everything you said is so retarded that it is hard to know where to start... or whether to bother.

efb

Wertz wrote: »

*sets up popcorn stall*

Large please!

strobe

Definitely, it's totally to it itself. It thought it was fine but then it was it itself. It was so it, ye know? Way too it.

lima

It's true. Left Dublin in 2004 and never miss the place. Those heroin junkies all over the place.. what a dive..

starbelgrade

I think all cities are more or less the same when it comes to these things. I've lived in Dublin, London & Madrid and after a while, when the novelty wears off, you realise that there's shit & bigotted people everywhere. It's not just an Irish thing.

And then when you go back and live in a village or town, you realise that it's not just a city thing either. There's just more of everything in cities.

chucken1

Wertz wrote: »

*sets up popcorn stall*

Id actually like cake now Have you cake?

strobe

Which it? That's what I wanna know.

flutterflye

chucken1 wrote: »

Id actually like cake now Have you cake?

I'm making a chocolate cake atm.
Want some?

I have actually read the op now.
Most of Dublin is a kip.
Except south Dublin of course.;)

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Same old thread

Though it still stands that whilst other city centres keep them clean and lout free for tourists Dublin fails to do so. It's a good city, a 5 minute walk south and you are safe as houses but the city centre can be ****ty and that's a alck of garda resources and a specific project to clean it up

I have a sister moving to a house beside mountjoy square which is city centre, D1, and I'm scared for her safety and it's a fact that she can't walk aroud alone at night. And I can't walk there in the dark after work without getting harrassed 20 times. Fact is that that's just not right for a city centre. This should have been addressed when there were funds to do so, wont be such funds for quite a while now unfortunately

seanybiker

The thing is. Dublin is not London,Manchester etc.
I know where your coming from though.
I have great friends and family in dublin but personally I can't stand the place meself.

The Scientician

I'm not sure the populace of the principle city of any of the other countries cited gets as much grief from provincials/boggers etc. than Dubliners do. The **** I've got from people down the country 'cos I'm from Dublin is sickening. It's tantamount to racism. The worst thing is half of the Dublin denigrators actually make their living from the city.

sdanseo

Most of what you say rings bells, but I don't think they're exactly the main problems in this city or country. I've never once been randomly called a prick by anyone on the streets of Dublin and I've walked them an awful lot in the last 23 years. Maybe you start random fights with hobos of a morning?

The issue with Dublin is the physical appearance of the place - we have rubbish flying all over the gaff after the nightclubs close (all at the same time, pure genius naturally). The laneways and even main streets turn to rivers of puke and piss because aport from 2 portaloos on Camden St there are zero public toilets. Junkies purchase hard drugs and then use them openly in front of kids in broad daylight. And to top it all some of the most travelled and main streets in the city such as D'Olier Street are in terrible need of resurfacing. The little public parking we have that is outrageously expensive, too.

Is Dublin up itself? At an administrative level yes, the city is run like a wastepaper basket for the politicians. As a social level, no - it's like any other city, with the possible exception of any issues raised above.

im invisible

I did not care for it,
it insists upon itself...

Kadongy

I'm from Dublin. I don't know what you are on about with the random abuse stuff. Maybe you get that because you go around laughing at everything for being so pathetic.

I do find that people are generally more polite in other parts of the country than in Dublin though, including other cities.

Wertz

chucken1 wrote: »

Id actually like cake now Have you cake?

Sorry popcorn only... €2 a bucket...or €4 if you're from the southside.

Hank_Jones

At least it's not Cork.

chucken1

Wertz wrote: »

Sorry popcorn only... €2 a bucket...or €4 if you're from the southside.

Thanks to a diety Im not from aside..at all..

Now can I have cake?

bayern282

Just to re-iterate the point I was making, I'm not Dublin-phobic, but I do tend to sense a general misanthropy in the place that I don't detect in other cities.

Even within Ireland, folk from places like Kerry, Cork, Limerick seem to have a more rugged and good humoured attitude that seems to be absent in the average Dub.

starbelgrade

You can get abuse anywhere.

I was in Claremorris the other day & I heard someone shouting "you gay fucker" at someone. When I turned around to see who was shouting, I realised that he was shouting at me.

I've no idea why.

Some people are just idiots.

sh__93

Dublin is overall a great city with mostly great people.
it just annoys me how many scumbags there are!

saywhatyousee

starbelgrade wrote: »

You can get abuse anywhere.

I was in Claremorris the other day & I heard someone shouting "you gay fucker" at someone. When I turned around to see who was shouting, I realised that he was shouting at me.

I've no idea why.

Some people are just idiots.

Not surprised Mayo people are "odd" to say the least.

Chuck Stone

Are you drunk OP?

You sound like one of those inebriated guys who says things like

'I love you you hateful bastard'

and stuff like that.

You know that cities are just collections of buildings with people in them?

You know countries and counties are just geographic administrative regions?

Perhaps not.

pragmatic1

sh__93 wrote: »

Dublin is overall a great city with mostly great people.
it just annoys me how many scumbags there are!

I think Dublin is a good city too and most dealings I've had with your average Dub have been good. But I agree that theres a serious amount of scum about the place.

starbelgrade

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Not surprised Mayo people are "odd" to say the least.

That's very true, but they also have a huge amount of either not caring for - or knowing about - most rules that normally govern "polite society" that I am often baffled by and more often in adimiration for than I care to acknowldge.

seanybiker

Their all only west Brits anyways.


/ troll

Son Of A Vidic

starbelgrade wrote: »

..I was in Claremorris the other day..

Claremorris?

Mr Keek

no, I think Ireland is up itself. we are not as cool, trendy, important as we think we are. Look at the way we think Americans love us. they couldn't care less.

I love Dublin and it people, some of the funniest whittiest people I've ever met. Of course, every city and county in Ireland has it fair share of a$$ holes too

~Becktron

I love Dublin! The junkies are funny, especially the one the dances on O'Connell Street, if he's even dancing.
It's the same ****, different city. You mightent see junkies or assholes in other cities because they probably have them under control there.

policarp

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Claremorris?

That's one of the Fingal County Council Ceili Band members there, trying to drum up a little support for the Confused and Bewildered Dubs Daycare Shelters flag day. . .

I think a lot of people in Dublin are a bit deluded about how important it is in relation to the rest of the world. You can see it on threads about the cost of living and things like that, with loads of people saying, 'well, it's on a par with similar cities like London and New York'. But it's not on the same level as those places, it's a small capital city on the edge of Europe. Same thing with people getting offended or amused when foreigners can't pronounce place names or haven't heard of things. Ireland is a tiny country. Most people know very little about it and really don't care. I think with the whole Celtic Tiger and the 'Ireland is cool' thing in the 1990's, a lot of people just got it into their heads that it's a really important city. It's also a massive kip in many parts - the amount of junkies/scumbags is out of control. Don't get me wrong, I do like Dublin in general, it's my ideal size for a city and there's a great vibe about the place. But it's not the centre of the universe a lot of people seem to think it is.

pajunior

Rayden Dazzling Tungsten wrote: »

I think a lot of people in Dublin are a bit deluded about how important it is in relation to the rest of the world. You can see it on threads about the cost of living and things like that, with loads of people saying, 'well, it's on a par with similar cities like London and New York'. But it's not on the same level as those places, it's a small capital city on the edge of Europe. Same thing with people getting offended or amused when foreigners can't pronounce place names or haven't heard of things. Ireland is a tiny country. Most people know very little about it and really don't care. I think with the whole Celtic Tiger and the 'Ireland is cool' thing in the 1990's, a lot of people just got it into their heads that it's a really important city. It's also a massive kip in many parts - the amount of junkies/scumbags is out of control. Don't get me wrong, I do like Dublin in general, it's my ideal size for a city and there's a great vibe about the place. But it's not the centre of the universe a lot of people seem to think it is.

Don't think that's a Dublin thing though, just an Irish thing. We absolutely love ourselves, we think the whole mole world loves dear old Ireland and we milk even the slightest success at anything.

Monty Burnz

I'm from Dublin, but I've lived around and abroad at different periods. Dublin is a grand town and I love it, but it's a small, ugly city off the fringes of Europe. Because of the size of the town relative to the population of the country, Dubliners can have a delusional notion of their own centrality/sophistication etc. and of the importance of Dublin. They can be like the fat lazy-minded Yanks who think the US is the only decent place on the planet and the best at everything (without ever having left the place).

I love Dublin and hope to return there to live, but the attitudes of so many of my fellow Dubs are quite hilarious.

Edit: Rayden Dazzling Tungsten, just saw your post, I agree totally. Dublin would be better compared to Leeds or maybe Porto or some other fairly out-of-the-way backwater rather than Tokyo or New York. Those notions are laughable. Look at the transport infrastructure - we have 2 tramlines, a comparable city in Germany or France would have dozens of tramlines and a metro system. Brussels - a similar sized city - has 4 metros lines (with 60 odd stations), 2 undergrounded tram lines, and maybe 20 normal tram lines. And integrated ticketing.

bayern282

Rayden Dazzling Tungsten wrote: »

I think a lot of people in Dublin are a bit deluded about how important it is in relation to the rest of the world. You can see it on threads about the cost of living and things like that, with loads of people saying, 'well, it's on a par with similar cities like London and New York'. But it's not on the same level as those places, it's a small capital city on the edge of Europe. Same thing with people getting offended or amused when foreigners can't pronounce place names or haven't heard of things. Ireland is a tiny country. Most people know very little about it and really don't care. I think with the whole Celtic Tiger and the 'Ireland is cool' thing in the 1990's, a lot of people just got it into their heads that it's a really important city. It's also a massive kip in many parts - the amount of junkies/scumbags is out of control. Don't get me wrong, I do like Dublin in general, it's my ideal size for a city and there's a great vibe about the place. But it's not the centre of the universe a lot of people seem to think it is.

Good post, Dublin and many of it's denizens seem to have this ''we're up there with London,Paris etc '' complex, it's a good place in it's own right in many parts, near the mountains, sea, nightlife, restaurants, pub etc, but needs
to lose the attitude, I think it was a much friendlier, personable city pre the mid 90's.

4leto

We punch above our weight, but not in any real significant way.

Dublin is a nice small capital city, I can drive across the whole thing in 4o minutes at night.

IrishEyes19

The Scientician wrote: »

I'm not sure the populace of the principle city of any of the other countries cited gets as much grief from provincials/boggers etc. than Dubliners do. The **** I've got from people down the country 'cos I'm from Dublin is sickening. It's tantamount to racism. The worst thing is half of the Dublin denigrators actually make their living from the city.

maybe if you quit calling people not from Dublin, boggers, you snob :rolleyes:

Richard Hillman

South Eastern Dubliners are the master race. FACT!

Elba101

I've just moved back to Dublin after 3 years in the UK and only now do I realise how much I actually missed it. The people are so friendly you can have a laugh with total strangers on the street and then be on your merry way!

I love London but that's a city up its own hole and it doesn't have the friendliest people either.

Nulty

The-Rigger wrote: »

~Everything you said is so retarded that it is hard to know where to start... or whether to bother.

class soming from the mod of Sunshine and Lollipops and raunbows :P

harney

The Scientician wrote: »

I'm not sure the populace of the principle city of any of the other countries cited gets as much grief from provincials/boggers etc. than Dubliners do. The **** I've got from people down the country 'cos I'm from Dublin is sickening. It's tantamount to racism. The worst thing is half of the Dublin denigrators actually make their living from the city.

Are you basing this on having lived out side of Ireland? If not then come visit either London or Madrid and see if your theory hold up.

parker kent

bayern282 wrote: »

....you don't experience the random, mindless sort of hostility that you experience in Dublin, eg; randomly being called a ''prick'', ''knacker'', ''****'', ''fag'' the list goes on.

You actually think that you don't face hostility in other cities? Really? Watch the news much?

Also, everybody everywhere faces people like are described by the OP. There are ignorant and rude people everywhere.

dermo88

I've a love hate relationship with Dublin to be honest.

Liam Byrne

The Scientician wrote: »

I'm not sure the populace of the principle city of any of the other countries cited gets as much grief from provincials/boggers etc. than Dubliners do. The **** I've got from people down the country 'cos I'm from Dublin is sickening. It's tantamount to racism. The worst thing is half of the Dublin denigrators actually make their living from the city.

Maybe you not calling them "provincials/boggers" might be a start ?

Particularly considering that Dublin is part of the province of Leinster, there are other cities in the country and even - shock, horror - rural areas that are nowhere near a bog!

Super-Rush

Sorry but no.

Dublin versus the rest of the country thread closed.