hunting/shooting signs

alderdeer

Just looking to see can anyone help me out here im looking for some signs like the plastic safety ones that say No Shooting or Permission only to put up on a few entrances to my land, Dont get me wrong i have no problem with hunting just i have a deer problem that im hoping to get sorted this year and i dont want the lad out shooting duck/pheasant disrupting the stalkers, Ive tried a few co ops and googled it but cant find them anywhere local, Any info welcomed

rabbit assassin

Id be very careful how you word it... We've had a lot of problem with this type of thing especially with travellers coming onto our land . we had "No Shooting" signs in a few places and the lads continued in with greyhounds because they weren't shooting. in the end we just put up " Private property No Entry " Don't get me wrong I am a keen hunter myself and its not that i don't like people on my land, It was just the fields surrounding the farmyard I didn't want people on because we have had a couple of attempted robberies. My advice is just be very careful how you word the signing because from the run ins I have had with people I have heard every excuse out there "Oh just lookin' for the dog sir" "Were not shooting were just coursing" just some advice to think about , These guys made my signs and the signs for our gun club , cant recommend them highly enough

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iwsf

get my signs done with http://www.lambertsigns.com/
they are near Galway.
it doesn't cost much to get them done.

or the other option , you could let me stalk your land

alderdeer

=or the other option , you could let me stalk your land

For all i know you might already have, Ive had a fair few lads in the last few years trying to get rid of these deere 9 or 10 reds but im fairly certain most will be got this season (hopefully). I built a platform thats overlooking 100+ ac of young trees and scrub, shooters paradise i reckon, Ill be investing in a rifle myself next year if things dont work out.

DubPredator

what part of the country are u in.?
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DubPredator

ah i see Galway..new to this. remember you are legally entitle to shoot dogs worrying your livestock

Cass

DubPredator wrote: »

remember you are legally entitle to shoot dogs worrying your livestock

Yes and No.

You cannot simply shoot the dog the minute you see them. There are other threads about this and without trying to drag this off topic you may only shoot a dog if you follow the steps set out which include;

• Contacting Dog warden
• Reporting incidents to the Gardai
• Trying to contact the dog's owner to give them a chance to control the dog
• Ensuring that shooting the dog is the only remaining option.

DubPredator

i stand correctted.
i would still shoot the dog though..but thats just me

lb1981

DubPredator wrote: »

i stand correctted.
i would still shoot the dog though..but thats just me

you shoot someones pet and they report you ,be prepared for a world of pain when you are renewing your licence.

Hondata92

Ezridax wrote: »

Yes and No.

You cannot simply shoot the dog the minute you see them. There are other threads about this and without trying to drag this off topic you may only shoot a dog if you follow the steps set out which include;

• Contacting Dog warden
• Reporting incidents to the Gardai
• Trying to contact the dog's owner to give them a chance to control the dog
• Ensuring that shooting the dog is the only remaining option.

I know this is going way off topic (maybe a mod can split it)

What about the control of dogs act 1986 ( or has this been replaced/updated)

Defence in action for damages for shooting dog.


23.—(1) It shall be a defence to any action for damages against a person for the shooting of a dog, or to any charge arising out of the shooting of a dog, if the defendant proves that—

(a) the dog was shot when it was worrying, or was about to worry, livestock and that there were no other reasonable means of ending or preventing the worrying; or

(b) (i) the dog was a stray dog which was in the vicinity of a place where livestock had been injured or killed, and

(ii) the defendant reasonably believed that the dog had been involved in the injury or killing, and

(iii) there were no practicable means of seizing the dog or ascertaining to whom it belonged; and

(c) he was the person in charge of the livestock; and

(d) he notified within forty-eight hours the member in charge at the nearest Garda Station to the place where the dog was shot of the incident.

(2) The provisions of subsection (1) (a) and subsection (1) (b) (i) and (iii) of this section shall be deemed to have been satisfied if the defendant believed that those provisions had been satisfied and he had reasonable grounds for that belief.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0032/print.html#sec23

lb1981 wrote: »

you shoot someones pet and they report you ,be prepared for a world of pain when you are renewing your licence

Owners must be in control of their dog(s) at all times. If a dog is worrying livestock/killing livestock then they certainly arent in control of their dog(s). If the shooting of a dog is reported to the gardai and circumstances explained as to why the dog was shot then unless you have a guard thats out of touch with reality i cant see any problem when it comes to renewal IMO (depending on circumstances).


PS. im not a legal expert nor pretend to be one so anything i say should not be seen or interpreted as legal advice/knowledge of the law

Cass

Hondata92 wrote: »

What about the control of dogs act 1986 ( or has this been replaced/updated)

Yes you can shoot a dog, but you are not entitled to do so, at least immediately, and certainly not without following the rules laid down in both the control of dogs act and the protection of livestock act. From a previous thread:

Ezridax wrote:

You can shoot the dog, but only as a last resort. You can try trapping the dog and informing the owner that his/her dog is causing harm. If they deny ownership of the dog, and you know its their dog, then you are one step closer to being in the clear.

Now when it comes to the shooting of a dog you can only do so uner the conditions that the owner has been given fair opportunity to control the dog, the local dog warden has been informed and done nothing or failed to catch the dog, and lastly that you yourself have failed to catch the dog.


If the dog is shot then you have a few things you need to do/know.

• Firstly, make sure you have permission to be on the land from the land owner or a member of his/her family. Writing is best so he cannot deny it later and leave you hanging.
• Inform the Gardai within 48 hours that the dog has been shot on these lands, and not elsewhere that you DO NOT have permission for.
• Make sure the livestock is lawfully on the land. In other words that its the farmer's livestock and should be there. You cannot shoot a dog for worrying livestock that shouldn't/has no right to be on those lands.
• Lastly, and probably that the dog was infact worrying livestock. You cannot shoot an animal that was simply "passing through". To that end have photographic evidence of damage/injury to any livestock. The more you have the better.

All of this is in accordance with the 1960 Dogs(Protection of Livestock) Act, and in keeping with the 1986 & 1992 Control of dogs act. By complying with the steps above, AL OF THEM, and informing owners, Gardai, etc prior to any shooting then you are covering both yourself and the landowner should the dog owner "suddenly" remember that the dog is theirs and try and claim/sue either of ye for damages.

homerhop

young fella in carlow shot a dog that was on land with sheep earlier this year, dog owner reported him as it was a family pet and he has lost his license in court because of it.

Cass

And that why you have to be so careful what you do and how you go about it lads.

Hondata92

Ezridax wrote: »

Yes you can shoot a dog, but you are not entitled to do so, at least immediately, and certainly not without following the rules laid down in both the control of dogs act and the protection of livestock act. From a previous thread:

Realistically the control of dogs act 1986 should superseed any previous act but then again this is ireland:rolleyes:

As for the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act, 1960 there is NO mention of a dog warden what so ever, so where do you get the impression that a dog warden has to be notified

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1960/en/act/pub/0017/print.html

homerhop wrote: »

young fella in carlow shot a dog that was on land with sheep earlier this year, dog owner reported him as it was a family pet and he has lost his license in court because of it.

Unless you witnessed the events that happened then there is probably more to it than has been said.

IMO either the shooter shot the dog without cause or himself/the guards didnt know the law. Was he taken to court for shooting the dog or was it all handled by the guards??

Cass

If you have gone to the owners and they deny any knowledge of the dog then the dog is a stray and needs to be reported to the Dog Warden. If they fail to act or cannot catch the animal and you try and cannot catch the animal then and only then can you shoot the dog. You must then report the shooting to the Gardai within 48 hours.

I said the proper process is to follow the rules set out in BOTH (that means the two acts). So to save you some time;

1986 Act section 11(1) - Dog warden can use any reasonable measures to seize stray dog which if after notifying the owners and they refuse to admit ownership or to control the dog its now a stray. Dog Warden is also mentioned throughout this section.

1986 Act section 14 - Register of all dogs seized by Dog Warden/Grdai/Local Authority and the action taken by said persons. Also a record of any dogs reported to have been shot.

Now if you fancy just shooting a dog and not following these steps then thats your business, but do not discuss it here. If you simply want to argue this single point about notifying a Dog Warden to be argumentative then i have no time for that. Facts are local authorites and Dog Wardens must be used or kept notified and they will be more inclined to help than the Gardai would be about some stray dog.

Sparks

Hondata92 wrote: »

Realistically the control of dogs act 1986 should superseed any previous act but then again this is ireland:rolleyes:

Actually, that's just law - unless an Act specifically states it repeals and/or replaces a prior Act, then both Acts remain in force. That's why the Firearms Act (as amended) isn't one Act, but 18 Acts, all read in concert...
...and yeah, it's a right mess as a result, and the legal profession knows (the Law Reform Commission's been recommending fixing that since '06), the problem's been the Ministers...