What's the deal with DMT?

humanji

jaymes420 wrote:

your attitude needs a serious check up bud!, but im glad to share the links all im doing is sharing what ive learned about DMT, and its use's, make your up mind up, though judging by your cynical dismissive attitude, i doubt you'll learn anything or take in any of these theories and ideas,

Cut the attitude. This is a discussion forum. Randomly making claims isn't going to get anyone anywhere. If you want to make a point, back it up. It's in the forum charter, which you are meant to have read.

sbsquarepants

I've taken all manner of psychedelics in my time and while I do definitely feel they can expand the mind to an certain extent (as can any new experience) I don't neccesarily agree that they open the door to any higher plain of existence or anything like that. Took me a while to realise that though If it's something you've only done once or rarely it can be quite overwhelming. I've had simply breath taking experiences that have absolutely amazed me and while I would love them to be "real" my hunch is that they are only real in so far as I really imagined them.
I've see no consistency between individual experiences -on seperate occasions I've seen sound, I've met beings, I've been inanimate objects, - all amazing but all different and ultimately I believe, all imaginary. I often felt that I had just been let in on some giant cosmic secret but couldn't quite remember what it was, but come on - does anyone seriously think I was? I was just tripping, end of!

Torakx

I believe alot of substances that have been made illegal have the ability to increase your thought process in an overall sense.
But too much of anything is not good.That includes legal substances like sugar etc.

If you consider soberness as alot of focus on a small point, you could consider these other substances as the opposite.
Unfocused and open thinking in many different directions.

I dont think its supernatural or metaphysical or anything like that.
I think its just chemicals effecting brain function in many interesting ways.
I see alot of potential with thc and i hear ecstacy too may be of use in some cases.

What annoys me the most about society is the way propoganda sits in peoples heads and rots away any coherent thinking on the matter.

People are walking around with extreme weight problems.
These people i believe have a serious addiction.
If natural chemicals are banned then i believe sugar and other processed "foods" that are addictive, should also be banned.
Same with tobacco obviously.Thats the worst contradiction i could imagine regarding health policy in any country.Except a warzone maybe.

Imagine a heroin addict walking into or passed a shop every single day and the shelves are lined with heroin, its in everything in small doses, all over the shop.
Thats nearly how some people feel when they walk into a shop full of sugar.
Personally i cannot eat anything with sugar in it.
So when i walk into the supermarket i find it annoying i can hardly find any food to eat on the shelves.I pretty much can eat about 10% at the most of whats available.That would mostly consist of veg(no added sugar).

Compare obesity deaths to dmt,marijuana,cocaine,heroin,speed etc and i think the numbers would not be far off,maybe even way higher for obesity?
In some cases, like marijuana and dmt probably zero deaths attributed to them.
I know of none anyway.

Funnily enough DMT is used to detoxify the body.Or ayuasca anyway.But thats illegal.
Maybe it will remove the sugar addiction and make some people lose alot of money... lol

thiarfearr

jaymes420 wrote: »

your attitude needs a serious check up bud!,

There is no need to shoot the messenger when they ask you to back up what your saying, doesn't do your case any good.

I'd love to try DMT also, but I found the documentary hard to watch, couldn't finish it, seemed a bit self-aggrandaising.

As for the power of hallucinogens, there is evidence to suggest LSD can help treat alcoholics overcome their addiction

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714

thiarfearr

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I've taken all manner of psychedelics in my time and while I do definitely feel they can expand the mind to an certain extent (as can any new experience) I don't neccesarily agree that they open the door to any higher plain of existence or anything like that. Took me a while to realise that though If it's something you've only done once or rarely it can be quite overwhelming. I've had simply breath taking experiences that have absolutely amazed me and while I would love them to be "real" my hunch is that they are only real in so far as I really imagined them.
I've see no consistency between individual experiences -on seperate occasions I've seen sound, I've met beings, I've been inanimate objects, - all amazing but all different and ultimately I believe, all imaginary. I often felt that I had just been let in on some giant cosmic secret but couldn't quite remember what it was, but come on - does anyone seriously think I was? I was just tripping, end of!

Its still amazing though, the power and vastness of the mind, what it can conjure, its like a universe in its own right

thiarfearr

Torakx wrote: »

I believe alot of substances that have been made illegal have the ability to increase your thought process in an overall sense.
But too much of anything is not good.That includes legal substances like sugar etc.

If you consider soberness as alot of focus on a small point, you could consider these other substances as the opposite.
Unfocused and open thinking in many different directions.

I dont think its supernatural or metaphysical or anything like that.
I think its just chemicals effecting brain function in many interesting ways.
I see alot of potential with thc and i hear ecstacy too may be of use in some cases.

What annoys me the most about society is the way propoganda sits in peoples heads and rots away any coherent thinking on the matter.

People are walking around with extreme weight problems.
These people i believe have a serious addiction.
If natural chemicals are banned then i believe sugar and other processed "foods" that are addictive, should also be banned.
Same with tobacco obviously.Thats the worst contradiction i could imagine regarding health policy in any country.Except a warzone maybe.

Imagine a heroin addict walking into or passed a shop every single day and the shelves are lined with heroin, its in everything in small doses, all over the shop.
Thats nearly how some people feel when they walk into a shop full of sugar.
Personally i cannot eat anything with sugar in it.
So when i walk into the supermarket i find it annoying i can hardly find any food to eat on the shelves.I pretty much can eat about 10% at the most of whats available.That would mostly consist of veg(no added sugar).

Compare obesity deaths to dmt,marijuana,cocaine,heroin,speed etc and i think the numbers would not be far off,maybe even way higher for obesity?
In some cases, like marijuana and dmt probably zero deaths attributed to them.
I know of none anyway.

Funnily enough DMT is used to detoxify the body.Or ayuasca anyway.But thats illegal.
Maybe it will remove the sugar addiction and make some people lose alot of money... lol

This is what annoys me about drug policy, its all scare tactics and lumping all drugs in together as one big life destroying force, implying if you try one you'll end up a heroin addict, when in reality most people who take drugs can use them recreationally yet still lead a normal life. If more effort went into educating people on safe drug use instead of just a blanket 'drugs are bad' I'm sure some deaths could have been avoided. Because in reality, people are going to take drugs, man has sought to alter his mind for thousands of years, the war on drugs has been a complete failure.

As regarding more people dying from obesity related problems than drugs, I'd say far more have died from obesity related issues. Afaik, and I'll look up the stats later, more have died from alcohol than all illegal drugs combined, and more people die every year from legal, prescription drugs than do from illegal drugs.