What's the deal with DMT?

Obelisk

When users take DMT they experience vivid hallucinations. Some users even believe they have communicated with nonhuman creatures while on DMT - but why? Tune in to find out why they believe this - and why some scientists are listening...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Rwi-tam1o

You would think a society as obsessed with the paranormal as ours would want to check out the "spirit molecule"...

DMT occurs naturally in many species of plants (and animals) often in conjunction with its close chemical relatives 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin (5-OH-DMT). DMT-containing plants are commonly used in South American Shamanic practices. It is usually one of the main active constituents of the drink ayahuasca, however ayahuasca is sometimes brewed without plants that produce DMT. Psilocin, an active chemical in many psychedelic mushrooms, is structurally similar to DMT. In South America there are a number of indigenous traditions and more recent religious movements based on the use of ayahuasca, usually in an animistic context that may be mixed with Christian imagery. There are four main branches using DMT-MAOI based sacraments in South America:

Amazonian Peoples: There are many indigenous cultures in South America, mostly in the Upper Amazon Basin whose traditional religious practices include the use of ayahuasca. These are the oldest cultures in the whole of South America that continue to use ayahuasca or analogue brews, such as the ones made from Jurema in the Pernambuco, near Recife or Iquitos in Peru.

Santo Daime: ("Saint Give Unto Me") and Barquinha ("Little Boat"). A syncretic religion from Brazil. The former was founded by Raimundo Irineu Serra in the early 1930s, as an esoteric Christian religion with shamanic tendencies. The Barquinha was derived from this one. The Santo Daime also includes children in their Entheogenic rituals, studies done by the Brazilian government concluded that there were no physical or mental damage caused by this practice so it is allowed.

União do Vegetal: ("Union of the Plants" or UDV). Another Christian ayahuasca religion from Brazil, a single unified organization with a democratic structure.

Neo-shamans: There are some self-styled shamanic facilitators in Brazil and other South American countries that use ayahuasca or analogous brews in their rituals and séances.

So, why is it a secret? That is the question. :cool:

Emme

Ayahuasca isn't a secret. It's a hallucinogen and like cannabis probably shouldn't be used by people with psychosis. It also isn't compatible with some prescription drugs. LSD is a powerful hallucinogen which leaves some people suffering flashbacks years later. Maybe Ayahuasca is the same.

http://www.ayahuasca-ceremonies.org/3.html

The link to NDEs is interesting but that isn't proof that people who take Ayahuasca or people who undergo NDEs are contacting aliens or spirits. Images reported in NDEs are often related to a person's cultural background. Christians might report seeing Christ and Muslims might report meeting the Prophet. I would imagine that people's experiences on Ayahuasca are also related to their cultural background.

Perhaps Ayahuasca is a hotline to the collective unconscious of humans but that doesn't prove the existence of aliens.

jargon buster

I would imagine that people's experiences on Ayahuasca are also related to their cultural background.

Exactly why christians almost always see a white man with a beard in near death experiences, its what they have been spoon fed as to what god/jesus is.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research22.html

Obelisk

Perhaps, why is it illegal would have been a better question.

Emme wrote: »

The link to NDEs is interesting but that isn't proof that people who take Ayahuasca or people who undergo NDEs are contacting aliens or spirits. Images reported in NDEs are often related to a person's cultural background.

That's actually the interesting part here... With the DMT experience, that's not the case! It's a universal experience, common among all...

Emme wrote: »

Perhaps Ayahuasca is a hotline to the collective unconscious of humans but that doesn't prove the existence of aliens.

Good point that. I recommend watching the film 'Avatar' to get a good idea of what an ayahuaca experience/society is like. Great movie.

I any case, herein lies the conspiracy. It's a big one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LALNDEYaWk0

Open your eyes to reclaim your prize. (All three of them...)

Emme

Obelisk wrote: »

Open your eyes to reclaim your prize. (All three of them...)

Certain yoga practices and meditations help you do that and it's well known that we have a third "eye". I don't see what the big conspiracy about the third eye is.

I saw that massive pine cone in the Vatican Library. The Vatican Library and Museum are full of amazing things, and not all of it is what you'd expect either.

Hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, Ayahuasca and for some, Marijuana can be dangerous. That's why LSD and Ayahuasca are Class A drugs and illegal. The same for Marijuana but it isn't Class A.

What is the common experience that people report on Ayahuasca? Have people been given Ayahuasca under laboratory conditions and their experiences documented and compared?

Obelisk

Emme wrote: »

Certain yoga practices and meditations help you do that and it's well known that we have a third "eye". I don't see what the big conspiracy about the third eye is.

That's true, although nowhere near as easily. I just posted the conspiracy part above!

Emme wrote: »

Hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, Ayahuasca and for some, Marijuana can be dangerous. That's why LSD and Ayahuasca are Class A drugs and illegal. The same for Marijuana but it isn't Class A.

More dangerous to the establishment than anyone else, IMO.

Emme wrote: »

What is the common experience that people report on Ayahuasca? Have people been given Ayahuasca under laboratory conditions and their experiences documented and compared?

Basically, the common theme is encounters with intelligent entities which reside in another dimension is reported. Yes indeed! Please enjoy this. :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhC9vsLTf6s

5 stars! Based on the book of the same name.

From 1990 to 1995 Dr. Rick Strassman conducted U.S. Government-approved and funded clinical research at the University of New Mexico in which he injected sixty volunteers with DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known. His detailed account of those sessions is an extraordinarily riveting inquiry into the nature of the human mind and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. DMT, a plant-derived chemical found in the psychedelic Amazon brew, ayahuasca, is also manufactured by the human brain. In Strassman's volunteers, it consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences. Many reported convincing encounters with intelligent nonhuman presences, aliens, angels, and spirits. Nearly all felt that the sessions were among the most profound experiences of their lives.

Strassman's research connects DMT with the pineal gland, considered by Hindus to be the site of the seventh chakra and by Rene Descartes to be the seat of the soul. DMT: The Spirit Molecule makes the bold case that DMT, naturally released by the pineal gland, facilitates the soul's movement in and out of the body and is an integral part of the birth and death experiences, as well as the highest states of meditation and even sexual transcendence. Strassman also believes that "alien abduction experiences" are brought on by accidental releases of DMT. If used wisely, DMT could trigger a period of remarkable progress in the scientific exploration of the most mystical regions of the human mind and soul.

Emme

This Sunday Times journalist used Ayahuasca during a Santo Daime ritual but didn't encounter any aliens. His experience wasn't entirely pleasant. See more at this link:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article3699397.ece

Obelisk

Emme wrote: »

This Sunday Times journalist used Ayahuasca during a Santo Daime ritual but didn't encounter any aliens. His experience wasn't entirely pleasant. See more at this link:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article3699397.ece

Interesting article, thanks. Well he did say he had left his body, was experiencing being one field of energy with the universe and had a life review- not bad for someone who opted not to complete the ritual! I found this quote interesting:

“I had never taken any kind of drug that altered consciousness but for many years I had been trying to follow a spiritual path, living in ashrams and doing studies, so I was already in a high state of consciousness. Then I tried the Daime and I experienced all my fears and doubts and everything you can associate with hell.

“When you take it, it can be very frightening and so intense because you cannot get out of it and you feel trapped and you have no control over anything. You experience all your negative rejections and all your dark places. But then it helps you to understand all this darkness and negativity and you begin to confront and deal with it.

“For me it is now everything; it is like swimming in a golden river of love, and of feeling loved by God. But this is only good for people who want to know about life, death, love and truth because that is what it tells you.”

It's true what they say though, faith is not neccessary for what psychedelics have to offer. Practice maybe, but no faith necessary...

WooPeeA

Is Ayahuasca legal in Ireland? Would that be possible to order that online somehow?

iPaddyM

WooPeeA wrote: »

Is Ayahuasca legal in Ireland? Would that be possible to order that online somehow?

It is illegal. But Ayahuasca is not something to mess with or use recreationally.

I've never taken it, but I do plan to go to the Amazon and take it. I've been interested in it and DMT as well as other hallucinogens for few years now. I've never taken any hallucinogenic drug, but I find it a very interesting subject.

Please watch this, it's 2 hours long but very very interesting ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWxXphYRos

R P McMurphy

mushroom_mario wrote: »

WooPeeA wrote: »

Is Ayahuasca legal in Ireland? Would that be possible to order that online somehow?

It is illegal. But Ayahuasca is not something to mess with or use recreationally.

I've never taken it, but I do plan to go to the Amazon and take it. I've been interested in it and DMT as well as other hallucinogens for few years now. I've never taken any hallucinogenic drug, but I find it a very interesting subject.

Please watch this, it's 2 hours long but very very interesting ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWxXphYRos

You are right, this is not a recreational drug. Should be pointed out that a person can generally obtain it in two formats. First refined where a person will experience a ten to fifteen minute 'experience'. The second as unprocessed ayahuasca when the person prepares themselves ans ingests generally through drinking. The method of.preparation and diet beforehand is critical unless a person wants to get desperately ill. This experience can last up to ten hours and is not generally pleasant. Most people after ingesting will cone up by passing through portals that are similar to what everyone else experiences. Is not to be taken lightly

CyberJuice

Dont mess with drugs,they will only mess you up in the end..

Lab_Mouse

CyberJuice wrote: »

Dont mess with drugs,they will only mess you up in the end..

stick to drink,its much more socially accepted:pac:

get drunk,ride ugly birds and punch randomers

DMT is for light weights!!

all joking aside i've done quite a bit of lsd and magic mushrooms and these type of drugs have to be treated carefully.You realy have to get the dosage right.As they are illegal its up to you to administer them and you have to get it spot it on other wise you'll have a seriously bad night.

from what I can make out I'd avoid DMT like the plague.Irrespective of whether its for social recreation or research I'd avoid it like the plague.

playing with fire comes to mind:D

Emiko

WooPeeA wrote: »

Is Ayahuasca legal in Ireland? Would that be possible to order that online somehow?

I know a couple of people who got it in the post.

A friend is expecting some sometime next week.

WooPeeA

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

stick to drink,its much more socially accepted:pac:

get drunk,ride ugly birds and punch randomers

I'd say drinking is more dangerous and addicting.

Undergod

Emme wrote: »

. LSD is a powerful hallucinogen which leaves some people suffering flashbacks years later.

The problem with that is that most of the studies that make that claim were performed by the US military on servicemen. This was in the 50s, so their subjects were often veterans of World War II or the Korean War. PTSD is a common problem among veterans, and one of the symptoms of PTSD is flashbacks. So while it may still be true, as far as I know there isn't a lot of evidence that LSD causes flashbacks.

R P McMurphy

Undergod wrote: »

Emme wrote: »

. LSD is a powerful hallucinogen which leaves some people suffering flashbacks years later.

The problem with that is that most of the studies that make that claim were performed by the US military on servicemen. This was in the 50s, so their subjects were often veterans of World War II or the Korean War. PTSD is a common problem among veterans, and one of the symptoms of PTSD is flashbacks. So while it may still be true, as far as I know there isn't a lot of evidence that LSD causes flashbacks.

Add to that all of the disinformation spread in an attempt to halt the growth of the counter culture in the late 60s. Alot of this centred on LSD and a particularly vicious rumour spread by the state agencies was that it damaged chromosomes so that your offspring could be born with downsyndrome. It was a nasty business and evidently the powers that be were scared by something so powerful, leading to a banning of scientific investigation

Full.Duck

Just go pick some mushies. Its free

nullzero

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that each individuals experience with hallucinogens will differ from the next.

billy bob 1234

R P McMurphy wrote: »

You are right, this is not a recreational drug. Should be pointed out that a person can generally obtain it in two formats. First refined where a person will experience a ten to fifteen minute 'experience'. The second as unprocessed ayahuasca when the person prepares themselves ans ingests generally through drinking. The method of.preparation and diet beforehand is critical unless a person wants to get desperately ill. This experience can last up to ten hours and is not generally pleasant. Most people after ingesting will cone up by passing through portals that are similar to what everyone else experiences. Is not to be taken lightly

I was on a web site like this a few month back and posted about getting dmt just got a reply this week and not sure if i trust it im kind of thinking it could be a set up so ur better off not getting anything online just incase

Daithi 1

Max Igan on Ayahuasca, pretty good listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RyXuFGzlKg

Carra23

nullzero wrote: »

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that each individuals experience with hallucinogens will differ from the next.

Ye your spot on. Its all about your frame of mind. If you've any doubts about what you are doing or what to expect, most likely it wont be an enjoyable experience.

Carra23

Just watching the Max Igan video, only 11 mins in but love the part when he says we are custodians of this planet and we need to look after it because without this rock we float around in space on, we are nothing !

Very true statement but I have one question. If knowledge of all of what he is speaking of is kept from us, it us kept from us by people who also depend on this planet to sustain their life, so why the f*ck is it kept from us ! ! ! doesn't make sense to me.

Like teaching your kids not to eat food. ' Dad I'm hungry, can I have a sambo ?' ' No no son, ye don't want that, you'll be fine without it'

What I mean is putting forward these theories is great but I hope if I get through the whole video, earth mother tells him why we are being denied our reality !

Carra23

Some 18 year old American died in September in Peru from taking too much Ayasuca

jaymes420

nullzero wrote: »

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that each individuals experience with hallucinogens will differ from the next.

Thats not true with DMT or ayahusca, there has been plenty of cases of people experiencing the same things, meeting the same intelligent beings, and traveling to very similar places,with ayahusca people almost always experience coming in contact with a serpent like creature,or a female being.(which is why ayahusca in the amazon is known as a she, and not an it) and with smoked DMT, the world is almost always described in a science fiction style, mechanical, and millions of miles from earth, and theres people always recall a guide, an intelligent entity that guides them through their experience. and these are from people who have never met, and in a lot of cases didn't know what to expect, but merely reported their own experience.

DMT is not just a drug, it is a chemical thats produced in our own brains, many speculate its produced by the mysterious Pineal Gland,which the Ancient Egyptians called "The seat of the soul". Many researchers and scientists and all round brilliant minds have put a lot of work into the study of both DMT and ayahusca, and a lot have personal experiences with them, and most of them say the same thing, that consuming DMT, weather smoked, or drinking ayahusca Tea, is like opening your consciousness to the signal of a higher plane and connects you to the spiritual dimension.they never talk about it like its just some drug, or just some chemical that messes with your brain functions. people talk about DMT like it's a key to something beyond our physical reality, and that alone fascinates me. here are credible, professional people who work in scientific fields that all stand behind this hypothesis, and to me that's incredibly interesting, and very brave on there part.

There has been a LOT of case's where hard drug addicts have been given ayahusca, and walked away completely free of addiction. because of the profound spiritual revelation that they got from it. and for a substance this Profound and potentially life changing...to be ILLEGAL for us to experience is pure insanity. ive had a lot of experience with Psychedelic's, LSD, and various types of Psilocybin mushrooms,( when they were legal to buy in ireland) and ive never taken ANY of them just to get out of my head, its always been out of curiosity of the experience,and my genuine fascination with exploring altered states of consciousness. im not out to hurt myself or anybody else while i do that, and i dont think responsible people should be attacked and thrown in jail for wanting to expand and explore their own consciousness. if they do it, and hurt somebody in the process, then yes, that is violence, and there are laws to stop that act! but i think psychedelic's play a very important part in humanity, and shouldn't have a negative stigma attached to them!,

its been proved that the first cave art was inspired by psychedelic altered states of consciousness, from the kinds of patterns and geometric shapes used. every single ancient culture has used them, with respect and found them to be an important tool., so for society to banish these plants and declare war on people who wish to use them, to me is a gross disrespect of every civilization that came before us, its pissing on the views and ideal's of thousands of years of human culture. modern science looks at these people and say there ideals were primitive and superstitious. yet there the people who expertly build ancient cities and structures unmatched and completely beyond modern day comprehension, humanity isnt evolving...we're Devolving. into a greedy race of sheep and greedy savages,..as long as we close our minds to the possibilities, personality i think somebody can learn a lot from Psychedelic's, about themselves, their innter self, and if the DMT user's word can be trusted, then we can learn a lot about the universe and the human mystery. they say DMT is the Ultimate skeptic's challenge, because everybody who experiences it talks about such profound meaningful things, that they can be too easily pushed off as imaginary, UNLESS you yourself experience it. i would love to get the chance to experience DMT, i think about it with a very open mind, and am always fascinated about the connection it has to our history as humans.

jaymes420

Carra23 wrote: »

Some 18 year old American died in September in Peru from taking too much Ayasuca

and another kid fell off his skateboard and broke his neck....see my point?

humanji

Not to be completely dismissive, but you can back up all those claims, right?

jaymes420

humanji wrote: »

Not to be completely dismissive, but you can back up all those claims, right?

every piece of it can be backed up, it's all been very well documented. the DMT experiences i described have been very well documented by Rick Strassman who's the clinical Associate professor of psychiatry at the university of New Mexico, who in the early 90's did a research study of the effects of DMT on Humans, by administering DMT to over 60 Volunteer's over the course of 2-3 years, many of the volunteers were professionals in fields of science, his findings are incredibly interesting and very well documented in his book DMT : The Spirit Molecule, a documentary made after the book, by the same name can be found on youtube,

the use of DMT and ayahusca being used by ancient civilizations and psychedelic's having HUGE importance on ancient civilizations is also very well documented. Watch any Interview on youtube with Graham Hancock, and he talks extensively on these subjects. i didnt say anything here that hasnt already been studied and researched thoroughly.

humanji

Then you'll have no problem posting links to the information. I honestly don't care either way, it's just that you've made a lot of claims and without backing them up, there's no reason for anyone to accept them.

jaymes420

humanji wrote: »

Then you'll have no problem posting links to the information. I honestly don't care either way, it's just that you've made a lot of claims and without backing them up, there's no reason for anyone to accept them.

your attitude needs a serious check up bud!, but im glad to share the links all im doing is sharing what ive learned about DMT, and its use's, make your up mind up, though judging by your cynical dismissive attitude, i doubt you'll learn anything or take in any of these theories and ideas,

DMT - The Spirit Molecule

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvBIPHg-hA

Interview with Graham Hancock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvPv_5-SCA&list=LLaQGK-ZtK14lcGud8wPMpUw

Stepping into the Fire - an ayahuasca Documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ommNRJeMQ&playnext=1&list=PL0ACD68897464BC04

Undergod

My main question (I don't have time to watch all these right now) is whether people reported similar experiences without hearing descriptions of DMT trips from other people. I suspect expectation may be a factor in what is reported, or that memory might modify their recollection of experiences to fit what they had been told to expect.

humanji

jaymes420 wrote:

your attitude needs a serious check up bud!, but im glad to share the links all im doing is sharing what ive learned about DMT, and its use's, make your up mind up, though judging by your cynical dismissive attitude, i doubt you'll learn anything or take in any of these theories and ideas,

Cut the attitude. This is a discussion forum. Randomly making claims isn't going to get anyone anywhere. If you want to make a point, back it up. It's in the forum charter, which you are meant to have read.

sbsquarepants

I've taken all manner of psychedelics in my time and while I do definitely feel they can expand the mind to an certain extent (as can any new experience) I don't neccesarily agree that they open the door to any higher plain of existence or anything like that. Took me a while to realise that though If it's something you've only done once or rarely it can be quite overwhelming. I've had simply breath taking experiences that have absolutely amazed me and while I would love them to be "real" my hunch is that they are only real in so far as I really imagined them.
I've see no consistency between individual experiences -on seperate occasions I've seen sound, I've met beings, I've been inanimate objects, - all amazing but all different and ultimately I believe, all imaginary. I often felt that I had just been let in on some giant cosmic secret but couldn't quite remember what it was, but come on - does anyone seriously think I was? I was just tripping, end of!

Torakx

I believe alot of substances that have been made illegal have the ability to increase your thought process in an overall sense.
But too much of anything is not good.That includes legal substances like sugar etc.

If you consider soberness as alot of focus on a small point, you could consider these other substances as the opposite.
Unfocused and open thinking in many different directions.

I dont think its supernatural or metaphysical or anything like that.
I think its just chemicals effecting brain function in many interesting ways.
I see alot of potential with thc and i hear ecstacy too may be of use in some cases.

What annoys me the most about society is the way propoganda sits in peoples heads and rots away any coherent thinking on the matter.

People are walking around with extreme weight problems.
These people i believe have a serious addiction.
If natural chemicals are banned then i believe sugar and other processed "foods" that are addictive, should also be banned.
Same with tobacco obviously.Thats the worst contradiction i could imagine regarding health policy in any country.Except a warzone maybe.

Imagine a heroin addict walking into or passed a shop every single day and the shelves are lined with heroin, its in everything in small doses, all over the shop.
Thats nearly how some people feel when they walk into a shop full of sugar.
Personally i cannot eat anything with sugar in it.
So when i walk into the supermarket i find it annoying i can hardly find any food to eat on the shelves.I pretty much can eat about 10% at the most of whats available.That would mostly consist of veg(no added sugar).

Compare obesity deaths to dmt,marijuana,cocaine,heroin,speed etc and i think the numbers would not be far off,maybe even way higher for obesity?
In some cases, like marijuana and dmt probably zero deaths attributed to them.
I know of none anyway.

Funnily enough DMT is used to detoxify the body.Or ayuasca anyway.But thats illegal.
Maybe it will remove the sugar addiction and make some people lose alot of money... lol

thiarfearr

jaymes420 wrote: »

your attitude needs a serious check up bud!,

There is no need to shoot the messenger when they ask you to back up what your saying, doesn't do your case any good.

I'd love to try DMT also, but I found the documentary hard to watch, couldn't finish it, seemed a bit self-aggrandaising.

As for the power of hallucinogens, there is evidence to suggest LSD can help treat alcoholics overcome their addiction

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714

thiarfearr

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I've taken all manner of psychedelics in my time and while I do definitely feel they can expand the mind to an certain extent (as can any new experience) I don't neccesarily agree that they open the door to any higher plain of existence or anything like that. Took me a while to realise that though If it's something you've only done once or rarely it can be quite overwhelming. I've had simply breath taking experiences that have absolutely amazed me and while I would love them to be "real" my hunch is that they are only real in so far as I really imagined them.
I've see no consistency between individual experiences -on seperate occasions I've seen sound, I've met beings, I've been inanimate objects, - all amazing but all different and ultimately I believe, all imaginary. I often felt that I had just been let in on some giant cosmic secret but couldn't quite remember what it was, but come on - does anyone seriously think I was? I was just tripping, end of!

Its still amazing though, the power and vastness of the mind, what it can conjure, its like a universe in its own right

thiarfearr

Torakx wrote: »

I believe alot of substances that have been made illegal have the ability to increase your thought process in an overall sense.
But too much of anything is not good.That includes legal substances like sugar etc.

If you consider soberness as alot of focus on a small point, you could consider these other substances as the opposite.
Unfocused and open thinking in many different directions.

I dont think its supernatural or metaphysical or anything like that.
I think its just chemicals effecting brain function in many interesting ways.
I see alot of potential with thc and i hear ecstacy too may be of use in some cases.

What annoys me the most about society is the way propoganda sits in peoples heads and rots away any coherent thinking on the matter.

People are walking around with extreme weight problems.
These people i believe have a serious addiction.
If natural chemicals are banned then i believe sugar and other processed "foods" that are addictive, should also be banned.
Same with tobacco obviously.Thats the worst contradiction i could imagine regarding health policy in any country.Except a warzone maybe.

Imagine a heroin addict walking into or passed a shop every single day and the shelves are lined with heroin, its in everything in small doses, all over the shop.
Thats nearly how some people feel when they walk into a shop full of sugar.
Personally i cannot eat anything with sugar in it.
So when i walk into the supermarket i find it annoying i can hardly find any food to eat on the shelves.I pretty much can eat about 10% at the most of whats available.That would mostly consist of veg(no added sugar).

Compare obesity deaths to dmt,marijuana,cocaine,heroin,speed etc and i think the numbers would not be far off,maybe even way higher for obesity?
In some cases, like marijuana and dmt probably zero deaths attributed to them.
I know of none anyway.

Funnily enough DMT is used to detoxify the body.Or ayuasca anyway.But thats illegal.
Maybe it will remove the sugar addiction and make some people lose alot of money... lol

This is what annoys me about drug policy, its all scare tactics and lumping all drugs in together as one big life destroying force, implying if you try one you'll end up a heroin addict, when in reality most people who take drugs can use them recreationally yet still lead a normal life. If more effort went into educating people on safe drug use instead of just a blanket 'drugs are bad' I'm sure some deaths could have been avoided. Because in reality, people are going to take drugs, man has sought to alter his mind for thousands of years, the war on drugs has been a complete failure.

As regarding more people dying from obesity related problems than drugs, I'd say far more have died from obesity related issues. Afaik, and I'll look up the stats later, more have died from alcohol than all illegal drugs combined, and more people die every year from legal, prescription drugs than do from illegal drugs.