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Tinie

Lithium93_ wrote: »

So who's odds on to replace Moyes??

Giggsy prob but that will only be temporarily you would imagine.

Lord TSC

Odds dropping on Van Gaal, who seems to be the most likely.

Klopp second, but Ogden reporting he is happy at Dortmund.

Lithium93_

Klopp is definitely off limits, his wikipedia page says he's contracted to Dortmund until June 2018.

Lord TSC

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Klopp is definitely off limits, his wikipedia page says he's contracted to Dortmund until June 2018.

Honestly don't see THAT being the problem; money can buy out a contract.

The bigger issue is Klopp seems content at Dortmund and doesn't want to leave.

Deadlie

Van Gaal was allegedly lined up for Spurs, but with United being his preferred English team. Looks like a shoe in so. United would want to get him asap if there really is 200m ready to be spent.

Rjd2

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Klopp is definitely off limits, his wikipedia page says he's contracted to Dortmund until June 2018.

Yep I think he will stay their for another few years, yep United can throw money at him but its not as if he is working for free at the moment.

He knows he has age on his side and currently he in a job he clearly loves, United need a lot of surgery.

Off the top of my head

Past it

Rio
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher

Not good enough

Nani
Valencia
Young
Rafael .........so over rated.
Cleverley,Cleverley and Cleverely.

not to sure about their young defenders either.

beakerjoe

One problem solved with moyes gone, any newe manager has to clear out the crap now in relation to the players.

Young (Sh!te)
Nani (biggest under performer of all time. Bags of talent that he cant use, and was given a new contract in sept :eek:)
Rooney (massively over rated, should have been sold IMO)
Cleverly (not a top player)
Smalling (simply not good enough, looks liek a lost boy)
Valencia (hasnt been good the last 2 seasons and needs to move on)
Rio (past it)
Vidic (hes already gone)
Evra (past it and cant defend like he used to)
Giggs (past it)
Carrick (past it)
Fletcher (as much as i like him, hes not teh player he was)
Raphel (still hasnt improved much, needs to move on)
Kagawa (hasnt gelled with teh team and has rarely shown the kind of form that made us buy him initially)
Felliani ( has looked unfit since we bought him, looks out of his depth against the big teams.)
Mata (wasnt needed to begin with and a total panic buy, good player but hasnt hit the form he should be. Hasnt gelled well IMO)

Realisticly Smalling,Rooney, Felliani, Carrick, Fletcher and Mata will be there next year.

Unless a total clear out is made, I can see United struggle again next year

thebostoncrab

Anyone else watch the first episode of Fargo? Was unsure going in because I love the film, but this has more than delivered! If the first episode is anything to go by, this should be an excellent run.

Mr.Nice Guy

beakerjoe wrote: »

One problem solved with moyes gone, any newe manager has to clear out the crap now in relation to the players.

Young (Sh!te)
Nani (biggest under performer of all time. Bags of talent that he cant use, and was given a new contract in sept :eek:)
Rooney (massively over rated, should have been sold IMO)
Cleverly (not a top player)
Smalling (simply not good enough, looks liek a lost boy)
Valencia (hasnt been good the last 2 seasons and needs to move on)
Rio (past it)
Vidic (hes already gone)
Evra (past it and cant defend like he used to)
Giggs (past it)
Carrick (past it)
Fletcher (as much as i like him, hes not teh player he was)
Raphel (still hasnt improved much, needs to move on)
Kagawa (hasnt gelled with teh team and has rarely shown the kind of form that made us buy him initially)
Felliani ( has looked unfit since we bought him, looks out of his depth against the big teams.)
Mata (wasnt needed to begin with and a total panic buy, good player but hasnt hit the form he should be. Hasnt gelled well IMO)

Realisticly Smalling,Rooney, Felliani, Carrick, Fletcher and Mata will be there next year.

Unless a total clear out is made, I can see United struggle again next year

I agree with your thoughts except on Mata. I think he's a magical player and he will come good in the long run imo.

The problem though, as you've illustrated, is that the majority of the squad are in need of an overhaul.

I think it will be at least two seasons before United can mount a title challenge. The goal for next season ought to be returning to the top four.

buckfasterer

Jeez that soccer forum would give ya a sore head at times. Baffles me how much of the same stuff is just regurgitated and everyone just argues! Impossible to actually discuss anything on the utd page.

buckfasterer

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Anyone else watch the first episode of Fargo? Was unsure going in because I love the film, but this has more than delivered! If the first episode is anything to go by, this should be an excellent run.

I saw this advertised and forgot completely about it, is it just a series based on the film yeah?

Diabhal Beag

It wouldn't take much to get these guys as title contenders. Arsenal were there abouts and they will be next season unless they make two great signings, Chelsea have a fairly dodgy centre-back partnership and City are still a long way off progressing to a level matching their spending.

Liverpool are an odd one though. Suarez aside they have gelled a lot in 12 months and even Hendersons and Sterlings are now title decisive factors. If they can make a few quality signings in the backs and decide what to do with Borini and Assaidi they could be in a similar position next season.

In fairness to Moyes he never got the chance to clearout the Cleverly types. The next in charge will and that's a massive advantage.

Tssk

I think people are forgetting we still need squad players when there is talk of a clear out.. If we can get four top players that can settle straight away-asking a lot,United would definitely finish top 4

As an aside,and this is pie in the sky stuff here,if someone offered 25-30 million for Rooney I'd snap their hand off

Lithium93_

Whoever comes in after Moyes, I hope he gets rid of Tom Cleverley, also whoever leaked that Moyes was going to get the chop should also be ashamed of themselves, stuff like that SHOULDN'T be leaked to the media whatsoever.

Tssk

Yep it was poor form alright,the fella is getting the chop anyways-the whole world didn't need to know before it was made official

Lord TSC

Meh, there's little secrets nowadays in the modern age of technology. Fergie's retirement was known about 12 hours before it was announced. It was known for days that Moyes was manager before it was confirmed. Transfer rumours are often banded about for days, weeks or months before they come through.

That's life nowadays.

buckfasterer

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Whoever comes in after Moyes, I hope he gets rid of Tom Cleverley, also whoever leaked that Moyes was going to get the chop should also be ashamed of themselves, stuff like that SHOULDN'T be leaked to the media whatsoever.

It was well planned I'd say.....2.15 on the dot yesterday and 3 of the main utd journos break the story!

the groutch

very strange coincidence

Moyes' reign was 295 days, exact same as AJ Lee.

GTR63

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

It wouldn't take much to get these guys as title contenders. Arsenal were there abouts and they will be next season unless they make two great signings, Chelsea have a fairly dodgy centre-back partnership and City are still a long way off progressing to a level matching their spending.

Liverpool are an odd one though. Suarez aside they have gelled a lot in 12 months and even Hendersons and Sterlings are now title decisive factors. If they can make a few quality signings in the backs and decide what to do with Borini and Assaidi they could be in a similar position next season.

In fairness to Moyes he never got the chance to clearout the Cleverly types. The next in charge will and that's a massive advantage.

Liverpool will need a squad next season with Champ League. We have succeeded this season with a squad of about 15 players that have actually contributed. City and Chelsea are two nailed on to finish in the top 4 next year, Arsenal and Spurs will look to strengthen too. Problems occur to Utd that they need to get rid of players, nail it in the transfer market and get a top manager too. All without Champions League and those 3 things rarely happen easily much less over one year.

Rjd2

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Honestly don't see THAT being the problem; money can buy out a contract.

The bigger issue is Klopp seems content at Dortmund and doesn't want to leave.

I think Klopp is very unlikely, money of course would be tempting but it would be naive to think other clubs have not had a look and offered him silly money, he seems happy at Dortmund and its not as if he is at Dortmund for free.


He also knows he is young and once contract is over he will be able to command an absolute monster salary.

Van Gaal will be a good short term option for a few years.

A Brad Maddox Guy

buckfasterer wrote: »

I saw this advertised and forgot completely about it, is it just a series based on the film yeah?

No it's a completely separate story which claims to be a true story from 2006. The Coen brothers are executive producers on it so it has a similar black comedy element to it. I loved it, Billy Bob Thornton is a hero and Martin Freeman is a fantastic actor.

Rjd2

Mourinho from a few months ago.

If Chelsea get through fair play, but hypocrite much?

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho accused West Ham of playing "football from the 19th century" after being left frustrated by a goalless draw at Stamford Bridge.

The Blues fell three points behind new Barclays Premier League leaders Manchester City, who beat West Ham 9-0 in the two-legged Capital One Cup semi-final, after a resolute display from Sam Allardyce's men.

Mourinho outlined his unhappiness with the Hammers' tactics afterwards.

The self-proclaimed 'Special One' said: "It's very difficult to play a football match where only one team wants to play. It's very difficult.


"This is not the best league in the world, this is football from the 19th century."

"A football match is about two teams playing and this match was only one team playing and another team not playing.

"I told Big Sam and I repeat my words: they need points and, because they need points, to come here and play the way they did, is it acceptable? Maybe, yes.

"I cannot be too critical, because if I was in his position I don't know if I would do the same. Maybe.

"At the same time I told him also this is not Premier League, this is not the best league in the world, this is football from the 19th century."

Chelsea tried everything to unlock the Hammers' defence and when they did they found goalkeeper Adrian in supreme form.

Mourinho added: "The only (other) thing I could bring was a Black and Decker (tool) to destroy the wall."

The Blues had 39 shots but could still not find a way past a heroic West Ham who finished the game with 10 men following a shoulder injury to Joey O'Brien which could see him out of action for up to three months.


After Chelsea's match with West Ham finished 0-0, Jose Mourinho was critical of Sam Allardyce's side
Mourinho was also left frustrated by what he viewed as the Hammers' time wasting tactics and could not understand why only four extra minutes were added on.

"They wasted two minutes every time they kicked off and the referee gives the wrong message when he gives just four minutes but it is what it is."

Mourinho pointed to aimless long balls to illustrate his point, which he had made to Hammers boss Allardyce after the game.

"He was laughing," Mourinho added. "His objective was won: come here and take a point. It was not to come here and play good football or to try to win or to feel part of the quality of the Premier League.

"He takes the point. After that he's a happy man and I'm a sad guy."

Mourinho refused to criticise his players, who could have done with someone of the guile of Juan Mata, now at Manchester United.

"With my players, I'm happy," Mourinho said.


Sam Allardyce praises his West Ham side after they left Stamford Bridge with a point after drawing 0-0.
"My team tried everything. Their goalkeeper saved a lot, but they also had other players without gloves who saved a lot.

"They played with five defenders; they looked more goalkeepers than defenders."

Diabhal Beag

It's genuinely sad to see how the life was sucked out of him at Real.

Professional Griefer

Great day.

Lord TSC

Professional Griefer wrote: »

Great day.

If United would get round to confirming Van gaal, it would be our best weekend in months :P

Diabhal Beag

Liverpool fans aren't taking the slagging very well. Reminiscent of United fans not taking a similar slagging a few months back.

Angron

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Liverpool fans aren't taking the slagging very well. Reminiscent of United fans not taking a similar slagging a few months back.

On my facebook feed it's like a competition to see who can act more childish, the Liverpool fans, the Chelsea fans, or the United fans.

Lord TSC

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Liverpool fans aren't taking the slagging very well. Reminiscent of United fans not taking a similar slagging a few months back.

Find it funny how some Pool fans are losing their **** about getting slagged off in the exact same manner they've slagged off United fans for 20 years :P

Diabhal Beag

Same. Dunno if there's a brain between them on mine though made even worse by Munster losing.

Mr.Nice Guy

I think City will find it tough at Everton though. I don't think they have a great record there. I remember Gibson getting a winner at Goodison a few years back and I think Jelavic got the winner last year too? Wouldn't surprise me if City make a mess of it.