Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

avonmore

Along with those already mentioned, Pat Flynn, Paul's father was a great servant in goal back in the 60's and up to '74. Paddy Coady RIP from Erin's Own was the stalwart full back in that era.
Shamie Hannon and Mossy Walsh from Ballyduff would have been ever presents from the early 70s up to the mid 80s. John Dalton from Touraneena gave great service at wing back in the 70's.

The Whelans from Portlaw also, Mossy RIP and Peter along with Martin Hickey and John Galvin were to the forefront at that time in what was a golden era for Portlaw. Ducky Ormonde from Lismore, sadly recently deceased, was a very good corner forward.

Pat Enright from Abbeyside was a brilliant forward in the 60s and 70s but sadly gave up inter county hurling at a relatively young age. John McGrath was also very good.

Noel Connors Snr gave great service at centre forward around that time. Andy Heffernan from Ferrybank was a class act at centre forward until he did his cruciate in that game against Cork in '74. The late Davy Duggan and Sonny Walsh were stalwarts too.

In the 80's you had Jimmy Beresford from Colligan, what a corner back, Paco Curran from Stradbally a top class goalkeeper and Kieran Delahunty from Roanmore a very accurate forward.

To me though the pick of that era was Pat McGrath. What a hurler, he was peerless. How he never got an All Star was incredible.

There are several more worthy of mentioning. As the previous poster said it would need a book to do them justice. In what was overall a bleak time for Waterford hurling these guys kept the flame alight.

Deise Tom

avonmore wrote: »

Along with those already mentioned, Pat Flynn, Paul's father was a great servant in goal back in the 60's and up to '74. Paddy Coady RIP from Erin's Own was the stalwart full back in that era.
Shamie Hannon and Mossy Walsh from Ballyduff would have been ever presents from the early 70s up to the mid 80s. John Dalton from Touraneena gave great service at wing back in the 70's.

The Whelans from Portlaw also, Mossy RIP and Peter along with Martin Hickey and John Galvin were to the forefront at that time in what was a golden era for Portlaw. Ducky Ormonde from Lismore, sadly recently deceased, was a very good corner forward.

Pat Enright from Abbeyside was a brilliant forward in the 60s and 70s but sadly gave up inter county hurling at a relatively young age. John McGrath was also very good.

Noel Connors Snr gave great service at centre forward around that time. Andy Heffernan from Ferrybank was a class act at centre forward until he did his cruciate in that game against Cork in '74. The late Davy Duggan and Sonny Walsh were stalwarts too.

In the 80's you had Jimmy Beresford from Colligan, what a corner back, Paco Curran from Stradbally a top class goalkeeper and Kieran Delahunty from Roanmore a very accurate forward.

To me though the pick of that era was Pat McGrath. What a hurler, he was peerless. How he never got an All Star was incredible.

There are several more worthy of mentioning. As the previous poster said it would need a book to do them justice. In what was overall a bleak time for Waterford hurling these guys kept the flame alight.

I'm glad John Dalton was named. It might not be the most popular thing to say in the company of some, but he was one great player. I think he was the first player to hold Cork's Jimmy Barry-Murphy scoreless in a championship game which was no mean achievement. It would be the same as holding someone like Henry Sheflin scoreless now. Maybe it might have been an even greater achievement to hold JBM scoreless as Hurling was more competitive in the days when he was playing. There was more teams capible of winning each year anyway.

Some of the other names that were mentioned above were also great hurlers in their day and could hold their own in any company.

Straight Talker

Thank you for the replies.I think some historian needs to get working on a history of Waterford hurling book to ensure that these players get the recognition that they deserve.There have been books released in recent years documenting Corks hurling and football history and Henry Martin with his Unlimited Heartbreak book and The Mick Mackey story has done a great job at documenting Limericks hurling history.It's about time there was one done about Waterford.Of course there was no backdoor in those times and Waterford had to deal with very strong Cork and Limerick teams and a strong Clare team in the late 70's to get out of munster.In the 80's you had strong Cork and Limerick teams and Tipp also came good towards the end of that decade.So when you look it that way it's understandable how that era ended up being such a barren period.

comeraghs

Pat Bennett of Ballysaggart! The slowest forward ever to play inter-county ?????? & one of the best free takers!

Ballyvoile Boy

Black Suir wrote: »

Does anyone know if it is true that County Adult Board are about to abolish Bord na nÓg as it is in the County, it might even be a Croke Park thing. I saw someplace a while back that the officers of Adult County Board might get the right to pick the best people to run underage activities in the county. If it is correct it should be a welcome move because as it is Bord na nÓg in this county is a bit of a joke. There is some good Bord Bord na nÓg Officers in the county, so wont tar them all with the one brush, but in the main most of them are of a liability rather than an assett.

I'm new here, but yes you are right, Bord na nÓg has been abolished (I found this post by Googling). The adult chairman Tom Cunningham (or his successor) will be choosing who administers juvenile/underage games in the county from now on. It was announced last night at the agm and he said that it was a direct instruction to all co. chairmen from Liam O' Neill.

Juvenile clubs will have to make representations through their adult clubs, as they will have no power to elect a board or effect change of any kind in their own right. Apparently, it's coming in all over the country. I first noticed it when Louth scrapped theirs and it was in the papers.

The Waterford chairman also said that all divisional boards will be scrapped in Co. Waterford. He did however allow one last election last night and the incumbent Co. Bord na nOg were returned for one final year.

The ruling is an interpretation of rule 3.21 in the official guide. There were a few raised eyebrows at the looseness of the interpretation and the fact that there was no paperwork to accompany the decree. The whole decision was delivered verbally and no answer was given to questions about whether there was a letter, or minutes of a meeting to explain the decision.

deisebhoy17

Ballyvoile Boy wrote: »

. The Waterford chairman also said that all divisional boards will be scrapped in Co. Waterford. He did however allow one last election last night and the incumbent Co. Bord na nOg were returned for one final year.

The ruling is an interpretation of rule 3.21 in the official guide. There were a few raised eyebrows at the looseness of the interpretation and the fact that there was no paperwork to accompany the decree. The whole decision was delivered verbally and no answer was given to questions about whether there was a letter, or minutes of a meeting to explain the decision.

This is positive news. Its the only way to do it. Just implement it everyone wants it yet if it goes to a vote you know whats going to keep happening. A step in the right direction hopefully

in the meantime... I just couldnt resist attaching

Teebor15

avonmore wrote: »

The late Davy Duggan

Is that the same davy duggan who runs the garage down poleberry? When did he pass on? Or isthere another davy duggan?

avonmore

Teebor15 wrote: »

Is that the same davy duggan who runs the garage down poleberry? When did he pass on? Or isthere another davy duggan?

Sorry Teebor meant Sonny Walsh only to be included there. Thankfully from what I know Davy is very much alive thank God.

Apologies if I gave you a shock.:o

Teebor15

avonmore wrote: »

Sorry Teebor meant Sonny Walsh only to be included there. Thankfully from what I know Davy is very much alive thank God.

Apologies if I gave you a shock.:o

You did yeah..i need to book the car in next week for a service!!

zol 2

Congrats to Ian Kenny and Shane Roche who played on the UCC winning freshers team against LIT today. Ian was cornerback and Shane was at midfield and both had fine games. Nice to see 2 lads from Waterford making the first 15 at anytime on a UCC team as traditionally this college would have a large pool of players to pick from.Congrats again.

zol 2

zol 2 wrote: »

Congrats to Ian Kenny and Shane Roche who played on the UCC winning freshers team against LIT today. Ian was cornerback and Shane was at midfield and both had fine games. Nice to see 2 lads from Waterford making the first 15 at anytime on a UCC team as traditionally this college would have a large pool of players to pick from.Congrats again.

Sorry guys i forgot to include Jamie Barron in this aswell today. Another fine prospect who scored 7 pts in this final today. Congrats to all 3 of the boys again.

thesultan

Bar Barron what clubs are the two boys from?

Mountainlad

thesultan wrote: »

Bar Barron what clubs are the two boys from?

Kenny is Mount Sion, and Shane Roche is Shamrocks Knockanore.

IanVW

Ian Kenny is ballygunner

zol 2

Best of luck to Jason Ryan in his new post with Kildare senior footballers. It will be very interesting to see what exact role he plays with Kieran McGeeney? Good coach and a solid guy i hope it works out for him and Kildare.

thesultan

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

suitcasepink

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

Nahh he said himself on twitter its not true! (Sadly...)

ManFromCheese

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

who is that

deisebhoy17

ManFromCheese wrote: »

who is that

shane dooley takes the frees for offaly. doubt its him though

Mountainlad

IanVW wrote: »

Ian Kenny is ballygunner

Sorry, you're correct

zol 2

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

Ya Niall McNamee is going to Gaultier:D

alllcounty

I see the western board chairman Eddie Cunningham is up to his nasty tricks again. This time he has put forward a proposal on behalf of Tallow (much to the annoyance of many Tallow people) to reverse the progress made at minor club championships in Waterford since 2008. He wants the minor hurling and football championships to go back to a divided and weak west versus east championship. Not happy with holding back the standard and quality of games at intermediate and junior level he now wants to destroy the minor championship. This is Eddie Cunningham and nothing is more important to him other than his ego as chairman of a western board that has long past its purpose. Goodman Eddie, I don’t know any Waterford person who hates Waterford gaa as much as you do.

Jarjohn

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

zol 2

alllcounty wrote: »

I see the western board chairman Eddie Cunningham is up to his nasty tricks again. This time he has put forward a proposal on behalf of Tallow (much to the annoyance of many Tallow people) to reverse the progress made at minor club championships in Waterford since 2008. He wants the minor hurling and football championships to go back to a divided and weak west versus east championship. Not happy with holding back the standard and quality of games at intermediate and junior level he now wants to destroy the minor championship. This is Eddie Cunningham and nothing is more important to him other than his ego as chairman of a western board that has long past its purpose. Goodman Eddie, I don’t know any Waterford person who hates Waterford gaa as much as you do.

What next! The 2 best county minor championships we've had in years were the last 2 where the standard of hurling was brilliant to watch and where anyone of 4 or 5 teams could have won them as the games were so close that the results could have gone either way on numerous occasions. As a result of these championships being run on a county basis the standard have increased dramatically,all for the betterment of our county teams to prosper from in years to come.
Lets be realistic here. The Western championship would be contested between St Carthages and Dungarvan for the foreseeable future with maybe Cappoquin and Abbeyside adding to it slightly whereas the Eastern championship would be very strong in comparison with the likes of DLS,Ballygunner,Mt.Sion,Roanmore and Butlerstown all competing for the eastern title. The idea of the championship being run on a county basis was to improve standards and quality of games and this has definitely been a success and the sooner the Intermediate and junior championships are run in this manner maybe then our county champions in these grades will be more competitive in the Munster club championships.
Where in gods name is the logic in going back to east versus west? Beggars belief the mentality of these old school delegates and their out of date ideas.

deisebhoy17

Looks like werethe laughing stock again

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182381

second year running is a year too many. time for heads to roll

solarith

zol 2 wrote: »

What next! The 2 best county minor championships we've had in years were the last 2 where the standard of hurling was brilliant to watch and where anyone of 4 or 5 teams could have won them as the games were so close that the results could have gone either way on numerous occasions. As a result of these championships being run on a county basis the standard have increased dramatically,all for the betterment of our county teams to prosper from in years to come.
Lets be realistic here. The Western championship would be contested between St Carthages and Dungarvan for the foreseeable future with maybe Cappoquin and Abbeyside adding to it slightly whereas the Eastern championship would be very strong in comparison with the likes of DLS,Ballygunner,Mt.Sion,Roanmore and Butlerstown all competing for the eastern title. The idea of the championship being run on a county basis was to improve standards and quality of games and this has definitely been a success and the sooner the Intermediate and junior championships are run in this manner maybe then our county champions in these grades will be more competitive in the Munster club championships.
Where in gods name is the logic in going back to east versus west? Beggars belief the mentality of these old school delegates and their out of date ideas.

It's proof enough he should be thrown out.

hardybuck

Jarjohn wrote: »

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

Sure if that's the only obstacle it wouldn't be a huge exercise to ensure that trips of that distance weren't fixed for weekday nights.

deisebhoy17

Jarjohn wrote: »

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

Pretty lame excuse if thats the case. There are club players from all over the country who have to travel a lot further than 50 odd miles for training 2 or 3 evenings a week, some are even commuting from overseas in the current environment. If that is his reasons then its nothing short of pathetic.

Its ironic that this proposal has been put forward in a week where weve shown to have incurred massive financial losses for the second year running. Its obvious that the people running our county and divisional boards are not capable of making the right decisions to move GAA in the county forward.

Its pitiful

premierstone

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Pretty lame excuse if thats the case. There are club players from all over the country who have to travel a lot further than 50 odd miles for training 2 or 3 evenings a week, some are even commuting from overseas in the current environment. If that is his reasons then its nothing short of pathetic.

Its ironic that this proposal has been put forward in a week where weve shown to have incurred massive financial losses for the second year running. Its obvious that the people running our county and divisional boards are not capable of making the right decisions to move GAA in the county forward.

Its pitiful

you are talking about school going minors tbf so the logic is not patethic as you have put it and infact most counties of any significant geographical size run their championship on a divisional basis.

hardybuck

premierstone wrote: »

you are talking about school going minors tbf so the logic is not patethic as you have put it and infact most counties of any significant geographical size run their championship on a divisional basis.

As I've mentioned previously, each club would only have a handful of games which involve that sort of travel. Maybe only a couple.

In the 2012 Minor hurling Div 1 there are 7 teams. 4 of them are city teams, then Dungarvan, Lismore and Naomh Brid?

Just looking at the fixtures, Lismore had to travel to DLS once, and then the rest of the games were at home or in Dungarvan. The DLS game in fairness was on a Wednesday evening - but for that one occasion a solution should be sought and play it on the weekend.

The proposal by Cunningham isn't driven by logistics anyway. Those sort of issues can be easily overcome on the rare occasion they present themselves.

This proposal is driven by fear. Fear that those who were big fish in small divisional pools will lose power and influence as the divisional boards are eventually disbanded.