leaving cert- Almost 50 students have results withheld for cheating

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http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/almost-50-students-have-results-withheld-for-cheating-2852834.html

NEARLY 50 Leaving Cert students were caught cheating in their exams, meaning their results have been withheld.
The State Examinations Commission (SEC) did not provide a breakdown of exactly how the students involved were caught.
It said it was not issuing results for 48 individual exam papers and was delaying the release of 30 more, pending investigations.
Students were caught cheating in a range of subjects, including Irish, English, maths, history, geography, art, biology, design and communication graphics. There were also instances of cheating in modules for the Leaving Certificate Vocational Programme and the Leaving Certificate Applied.
Instances of cheating often come to light when an examiner notices similar work from more than one candidate from the same exam centre. Some students have also been known to leave their cheat notes inside their exam paper.
Cheating is also discovered by exam superintendents, for example, when a student attempts to smuggle notes or a mobile phone into the exam.
In most cases cheaters have their result for that exam withheld.
However, those who commit more serious breaches of exam regulations, for example, copying in more than one subject, can have all of their results withheld and they can be barred from repeating.
In cases of suspected cheating, the student and school are contacted by the SEC and the student is given the opportunity to offer a response to the evidence presented. The student can also appeal a decision to withhold their result.

Did anyone post on boards that they cheated like this thread :pac: -
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315462

chin_grin

HAHA!

Liber8or

Some students have also been known to leave their cheat notes inside their exam paper.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

phasers

There were also instances of cheating in modules for the Leaving Certificate Vocational Programme and the Leaving Certificate Applied.

How bloody stupid must you be to have to cheat in an LCA exam?

Steodonn

Some students have also been known to leave their cheat notes inside their exam paper.

They deserve to fail

FatherLen

I am so happy they got caught!

Samich

Just on the topic of salman85

Here he is on a bodybuilding site a year later boasting about it again.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/11/07/21708351/profilepic/1kC3XQ7wK0ZVhBHElTmgBht1WO4E8785p.jpeg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-120631021.html

Dravokivich

Instances of cheating often come to light when an examiner notices similar work from more than one candidate from the same exam centre.

But they'd all have the same teachers re-gurgitating the same set of notes...

spurious

phasers wrote: »

How bloody stupid must you be to have to cheat in an LCA exam?

Where did they say it was in an exam? Far more likely to be in one of the KAs or tasks.

Good enough for any loser that copies or uses someone else's work.

newballsplease

Dravokivich wrote: »

But they'd all have the same teachers re-gurgitating the same set of notes...

ah come one...you'd know when 2 students have a paragraph word for word the exact same!

cocoshovel

I can assure you that a lot more got away with it. Our examiner was half asleep most of the time. People could whisper away no problem and check phones without a bother. I didn't cheat of course because I'm a good boy

If I did cheat then I would have got more then 230 points haha.

UrbanSea

I'd be too afraid to get caught. Fair enough a class test or something but not the real thing.

nicowa

newballsplease wrote: »

ah come one...you'd know when 2 students have a paragraph word for word the exact same!

I was in a private leaving cert school and in geography my teacher had us learn the notes word for word. I remembered it word for word. And about 30-50% of the class would have had it practically word for word.

hidinginthebush

Samich wrote: »

Just on the topic of salman85

Here he is on a bodybuilding site a year later boasting about it again.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/11/07/21708351/profilepic/1kC3XQ7wK0ZVhBHElTmgBht1WO4E8785p.jpeg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-120631021.html

Had a read of the bodybuildinf forum thread, hilarious! It's funny how some of the best laughs on the internet actually originate from there.

CardBordWindow

When I was doing my Geography exam a few years ago, a lad in my class got caught cheating......after drawing a map of France on the BACK OF HIS HAND!!!

UrbanSea

What a dope haha

Alter-Ego

cocoshovel wrote: »

I can assure you that a lot more got away with it. Our examiner was half asleep most of the time. People could whisper away no problem and check phones without a bother. I didn't cheat of course because I'm a good boy

If I did cheat then I would have got more then 230 points haha.

You're ****!

I got 235 :pac:

Cuddlesworth

I have yet to do a job that was closed book. I don't see why our exams should be.

phill106

CardBordWindow wrote: »

When I was doing my Geography exam a few years ago, a lad in my class got caught cheating......after drawing a map of France on the BACK OF HIS HAND!!!

Did he have to surrender his paper?

Dravokivich

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I have yet to do a job that was closed book. I don't see why our exams should be.

Because then it'd be just like homework.

cocoshovel

Alter-Ego wrote: »

You're ****!

I got 235 :pac:

Nothing wrong with that! I got 3 A's, 2 B's and a C. I think its a bit unfair how little I got for them just because of ordinary level.

Wolfe Tone

CardBordWindow wrote: »

When I was doing my Geography exam a few years ago, a lad in my class got caught cheating......after drawing a map of France on the BACK OF HIS HAND!!!

I cheated like a boss in my geo exam, I had that maths set with the map of Ireland on the lid! (was handy for drawing the west)

hidinginthebush

Sitec wrote: »

Wheres the original the fool put up on boards?

He links these two on the bodybuilding forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315462
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055316768&highlight=salman85

castie

Dravokivich wrote: »

Because then it'd be just like homework.

Lots of College exams are open book.
One of my Taught MSc exams was open book.

You didnt get any extra time just the book.
Best of luck going through it and answering everything within the time.
Barely could use it at all.

Da Shins Kelly

Actually, a lad in my town did his Leaving Cert this year and is having his results withheld on suspicion of cheating in the LCVP portfolio. However, what actually happened apparently was that he gave his portfolio to his friend so that he could see the layout of the thing, and apparently his friend just ended up copying it word for word and now the both of them are in trouble. It's a real shame for the lad, as he's a smart kid and probably got a very good leaving cert.

CardBordWindow

phill106 wrote: »

Did he have to surrender his paper?

I think he did. Can't fully remember. But he got his Geography results withheld anyway. Haven't seen the chap since to ask what happened.

starlit

Leonard Enough Coat wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/almost-50-students-have-results-withheld-for-cheating-2852834.html


Did anyone post on boards that they cheated like this thread :pac: -
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055315462

Why on earth would they bring in cheat notes into an exam? you'd wonder how they managed it without being caught!? Have they any morals, self respect or conscience!? Shame on them! Other students worked very hard and do the exam fairly. It's not very fair of others to cheat. Its their own fault for not studying! To be honest the leaving cert might seem hard to them but in all fairness its not as hard as people make it out to be. College isn't easy but not hard like but varies, can be harder than the leaving but sometimes the leaving is harder in terms of exams but materials it varies I suppose on how good or bad you are at a subject in the LC while with college you do a course you like or at least want to do and interested in and do well and enjoy it.

locked_out

doovdela wrote: »

Have they any morals, self respect or conscience!? Shame on them! Other students worked very hard and do the exam fairly

Nothing in life is really fair. Is it fair that students from disadvantaged backgrounds can't afford grinds and the like? I don't condone cheating, but I would not rat out those that felt the need to do so. Their problem, not mine. If you think cheating is bad at that level, college is a bigger problem altogether.

The amount of cheating and bull****ting I witnessed at that level made me lose faith in the third level system. Organised education like Religion, can be a farce. Making education into a ****ing contest will of course bring cheating. Cheating will only increase from here on out, because some of the gob****es in the SEC don't have a clue.

Remove the cattle herding mentality of the leaving as a means to a good future, and I am sure the ruthlessness would go down. Smaller communities tend to look out for each other and respect rules in a fair manner, not 50,000+ "candidates" from all walks of life.

Niles

newballsplease wrote: »

ah come one...you'd know when 2 students have a paragraph word for word the exact same!

Maybe not in the case of English but in the case of Irish I'd say it could quite legit. We were given generic paragraphs on poems, etc, which could conceivably have been regurgitated word for word, many of us probably weren't even aware of what exactly we were writing!

locked_out

Niles wrote: »

Maybe not in the case of English but in the case of Irish I'd say it could quite legit. We were given generic paragraphs on poems, etc, which could conceivably have been regurgitated word for word, many of us probably weren't even aware of what exactly we were writing!

Plagiarism + Copyright Infringement right here. You should have had your Irish results withheld.

7sr2z3fely84g5

doovdela wrote: »

Why on earth would they bring in cheat notes into an exam? you'd wonder how they managed it without being caught!?

from joe-
http://www.joe.ie/joe-life/life-features/cheating-their-way-to-failure-0015109-1

However, the more interesting way of finding a cheater is by looking in their exam paper to see if they left any cheat sheets in it. Because apparently, it happens more than you’d care to believe.

PseudoFamous

A girl from my year is one of them, she wrote a few French words on bits of paper and put them in her pencilcase. Ironically, she spoke the best French in the year, too; I'd say she could have gotten a B in her exam without cheating.

wild_cat

PseudoFamous wrote: »

A girl from my year is one of them, she wrote a few French words on bits of paper and put them in her pencilcase. Ironically, she spoke the best French in the year, too; I'd say she could have gotten a B in her exam without cheating.

Will she ever get to find out what she got?

Wetai

Samich wrote: »

Just on the topic of salman85

Here he is on a bodybuilding site a year later boasting about it again.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/11/07/21708351/profilepic/1kC3XQ7wK0ZVhBHElTmgBht1WO4E8785p.jpeg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-120631021.html

"yeah brah, i dont brag about it anymore, thats the only time ive done it, im going to be doing medicine :P, i had no intention of it until recently they bought in the american system of medical education (now you need a degree like BS or BSc or BEng to get into med school)"
God help anyone that gets him treating them or doing anything medical related from him, if he actually gets that far..

PseudoFamous

wild_cat wrote: »

Will she ever get to find out what she got?

Dunno! She wasn't there to get her letter, anyway.

Cillian13

Haha I know that salman guy, lives up the road from me and was a year ahead of me in school. That's my first time seeing those threads.

Dman001

Dravokivich wrote: »

But they'd all have the same teachers re-gurgitating the same set of notes...

I often wondered this too. I learnt off Sample Answers word-for-word in my English Exam, and had planned to write it down word-for-word if it was in anyway near suiting the question. But if someone else in my class had done the same (which was very likely), could we you be accused of cheating?

Niles

I suppose examiners would be familiar with standard textbook paragraphs, I'd imagine it's more common in the Irish and European language exams than it is in English though. It would probably stand out more if a few students from the same school wrote essays that were identical yet not ones found in text books. I can't imagine it would be that easy to copy an entire essay during an exam, probably more common in subjects where there is a pre-submitted research essay component. (Though in History I believe there is a rule prohibiting students from the same school doing the same topic, probably harder to control in the likes of Geography (or CSPE at JC level) where generally the class is doing the same topic.

rainbowtrout

Dravokivich wrote: »

But they'd all have the same teachers re-gurgitating the same set of notes...

It's when you see two identical answers with the same odd turn of phrase, the same grammar and spelling mistakes.... and the same wrong answers that you begin to suspect it.

It's not the same as seeing the same paragraphs regurgitated word for word out of the rapid revision books.

Riddle101

:rolleyes: To the people who left their cheatsheets in the f*cking exam paper. Such an amatuer mistake to make.

Richard Hillman

If you aint cheating, you aint trying hard enough.

Sierra 117

I got caught with notes in one of my repeat college exams last year. Looking back, I don't know what made me think it would be a good idea. I was banned from sitting exams for a year so I have to do the whole lot over two weeks. Serves me right.

gnfnrhead

I sorta did it for my leaving but it was only something like a few words translated into Irish or French for when you had to write the letter thing's in Ordinary level. A few cover all phrases that you can use to bull**** your way through it. Everything else I did by myself. Just needed to get it started with those phrases.

Recently, I did a FAS exam and had notes in my pocket just in case. I had done similar exams before and didnt bother with them but I wasent quite so confidant with these one's so had them there as back up. Didnt need them in the end but a lot of people needed to use the toilet several times that day. Cant help but wonder what was up with them. :rolleyes:

locked_out

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's when you see two identical answers with the same odd turn of phrase, the same grammar and spelling mistakes.... and the same wrong answers that you begin to suspect it.

It's not the same as seeing the same paragraphs regurgitated word for word out of the rapid revision books.

WRONG

Yes it is, unless the rapid revision book is cited and the appropriate lines marked with a reference. Essentially, students are being rewarded to regurgitate the paragraphs from the book, which in itself, is a copyright violation.

Ian Beale

phasers wrote: »

How bloody stupid must you be to have to cheat in an LCA exam?

LCVP is a subject just like business studies etc it's not the lca.

Dman001

locked_out wrote: »

WRONG

Yes it is, unless the rapid revision book is cited and the appropriate lines marked with a reference. Essentially, students are being rewarded to regurgitate the paragraphs from the book, which in itself, is a copyright violation.

Wouldn't photocopying pages from a Book be a copyright violation too?? Yet every school in Ireland has one, used for copying Text books.

Isn't there a clause in Irish Copyright Law which has exemptions for Educational purposes??? I could be wrorng on that?

locked_out

Dman001 wrote: »

Wouldn't photocopying pages from a Book be a copyright violation too?? Yet every school in Ireland has one, used for copying Text books.

Isn't there a clause in Irish Copyright Law which has exemptions for Educational purposes??? I could be wrorng on that?

Yes. Fair use applies in those situations, but no clear guidelines exist to specify the amount that can be taken before a violation is taken further afield. Fair use by definition protects one from the accusation, but it's still a copyright violation regardless.

No wonder Colleges have problems with cheating and the like, if students are "learning off" answers and attending grind schools to maximise their chances of entry, what do they expect? A cut-throat environment will always breed this sort of carry on. It's practically expected imo.

Dman001

locked_out wrote: »

Yes. Fair use applies in those situations, but no clear guidelines exist to specify the amount that can be taken before a violation is taken further afield. Fair use by definition protects one from the accusation, but it's still a copyright violation regardless.

No wonder Colleges have problems with cheating and the like, if students are "learning off" answers and attending grind schools to maximise their chances of entry, what do they expect? A cut-throat environment will always breed this sort of carry on. It's practically expected imo.

It's been the same since day one, and won't change anytime soon unless you are seriously penalized for regurgitating in exams.

And I seriously don't think any author/publisher will care if you're regurgitating their work in exams, as long as you're not financially profiting from it.

yesno1234

Ian Beale wrote: »

LCVP is a subject just like business studies etc it's not the lca.

It said in the article that LCA students results were witheld for cheating so his comment stands.

Tigger

i wrote a book where:

i did someones honors math for money, i researhed it an it was easy (external sitting)

ovbiously i'm a numbwers genius and a spelling fool

locked_out

Dman001 wrote: »

It's been the same since day one, and won't change anytime soon unless you are seriously penalized for regurgitating in exams.

That does not in itself make it "right". It's still technically a violation. Although the Academics will cry "plagiarism" when it suits them, turning a blind eye to the same behavior in exams while also overlooking the issue of copyright is a little bit contradictory, don't you think? Plagiarism is not a legally defined term. It's open to abuse through their own internal Kangeroo courts.

Dman001 wrote: »

And I seriously don't think any author/publisher will care if you're regurgitating their work in exams, as long as you're not financially profiting from it.

It does not matter, a violation can still occur without any damages being incurred from that said violation. Basically, examiners solicit cheating in exams more commonly than is actually believed. Hell, companies even make money off this racket. Ethics only mean something when held in high regard across the board.

"Copy from one, i'ts plagiarism; copy from two, it's research." - Wilson Mizner:pac: