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18-08-2011 9:51am#1
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I've been a member of the MNSCI for nearly 12 years now and my Father longer so my opinion may be slightly biased. When i left Dublin we came across the midlands due to word of mouth from one of the members there. We found it easier to attend than traveling to back to the range in Dublin every couple of weeks.
Since joining i've seen a huge development there with every penny being re-invested to improve the facilities for the benefit of the members. However i've seen more building and progress in the last 2 years than i have seen in the previous 8-9. Add to that the fact that the lads running it have all shooting sports best interests at heart to the point of sacrificing their own time and money to gain us NGB status, fighting for better legislation for firearm owners, developing the sport, even offering to help develope other clubs/ranges across the country, etc.
Recently, due to lack of work, i've dedicated some extra time to the range and offered what little i can where and when i can. There is so much talk of the membership fees yet, as i've said before, when you consider that after the initial years fee of €600 the yearly renewal of €295 is among the cheapest and definitely the cheapest inrelation to facilities available of any other range in the country.
As said at the start of this post most every member of a range will believe their range to be the best and i'm no exception. So when you consider you have access to;- 25mtr pistol range
- 25mtr BR range
- 50 mtr dedicated 3P/BR range
- 50mtr sporting .22 range
- 100mtr FB sheltered range
- 200 yd sheltered FB range
- 300 yd FB shletered range
- 100 - 600 yd "windmill" range with 16 shooting bay to accomodate 32 shooters
- 800 - 1,200 yd "Creedmoor" range with 25 shooting bays to accomodate 50 shooters.
- Multiple clay pigeon traps/range (still being developed)
I'm glad you had a good time, and i hope the lads there gave you the full tour, and that you "abused" the free coffee situation (i know i do
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They're not "really" called weapons tac. They're firearms.International and Olympic air weapons [correct title, not meant to be offensive - that really is what they are called] are shot at 10m.
Yes, I know, in germany the collective term for firearms used for target shooting is sportwaffen and some people translate that into english as "sporting weapons". That doesn't mean that they're "really" called weapons, it means it's a bad translation (even google translates it as "sporting arms").
The word "weapon" especially in Ireland, means something (most of the time not a firearm) used to harm another human. You will not find any politician, reporter or garda using the word "weapon" without the implied meaning of "used only and always to harm another human being" and you'll find very few members of the general public doing so either - so why would we seek to cause trouble for ourselves by using that term when it's not even accurate to begin with?
Poulo, you can't poke the targets with a stick at 10m.
And it only sounds easy till you remember the ten ring is 0.8mm wide and you don't have telescopic sights and you're shooting offhand :pac:0 -
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Yeah, but it's a wee bit outdoorsy for airguns25m, 15m, and 10m in the pistol range.
That's not to say we've not tried it...
It's just that in any kind of bad weather, it wouldn't work so well.
Mind you, there aren't many people in the Midlands shooting airgun anyway, so it's no major loss right now 0 -
Yeah, but it's a wee bit outdoorsy for airguns
That's not to say we've not tried it...
It's just that in any kind of bad weather, it wouldn't work so well.
Mind you, there aren't many people in the Midlands shooting airgun anyway, so it's no major loss right now
That's ok, so. Thought it might be indoors - obviously not. I guess that air or gas-powered arms, in particular the pistol-ly kind, are more popular over here in a country where target handguns of the kind that you can have are prohibited.
tac
PS - Tell the shooter to relax his thumb - it' a thumb 'rest', not a thumb 'grip'.0 -
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They're not "really" called weapons tac. They're firearms.
Yes, I know, in germany the collective term for firearms used for target shooting is sportwaffen and some people translate that into english as "sporting weapons". That doesn't mean that they're "really" called weapons, it means it's a bad translation (even google translates it as "sporting arms").
The word "weapon" especially in Ireland, means something (most of the time not a firearm) used to harm another human. You will not find any politician, reporter or garda using the word "weapon" without the implied meaning of "used only and always to harm another human being" and you'll find very few members of the general public doing so either - so why would we seek to cause trouble for ourselves by using that term when it's not even accurate to begin with?
Poulo, you can't poke the targets with a stick at 10m.
And it only sounds easy till you remember the ten ring is 0.8mm wide and you don't have telescopic sights and you're shooting offhand :pac:
Hey Sparks
I have seen the 10 meter targets used in international competions,they are SMALL.
I dont think y:eek:ou should shake your hand to much,before you are way of Target.
Anyway the 10 meter is best suited indoors i think.
Or atleast with a good shelter around it.
And the term weapon,yes it took me a while to get used to that to,cause we say "Våpen" to almost any firearm in Norway,I dont think we have a good word for it to be honest.;)
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Nope, no shaking allowedNorwayviking wrote: »Hey Sparks
I have seen the 10 meter targets used in international competions,they are SMALL.
I dont think y:eek:ou should shake your hand to much,before you are way of Target.
Yup, it's always shot indoors for airguns - any breeze at all would make it impossible to shoot, there's just not enough kinetic energy in the pellets to manage any wind.Anyway the 10 meter is best suited indoors i think.
Or atleast with a good shelter around it.
(Hell, with my air pistol, you can watch the pellets flying downrange, they're so slow)
We were lucky the day we were there that there wasn't any wind or rain and so we could see what the air pistol could do on the pistol range (and it will happily hit the target at 10, 15 and 25 metres, though by 25 metres the pellet is tumbling and hitting the target backwards). It's even accurate-ish out to the 25m range.
Yeah, there isn't a one-to-one mapping between words in english and words in other languages; but the real bugbear is that those who'd rather we didn't have any firearms at all constantly call them "weapons" because they know what the general public associates with the term here. By using that word, we'd just be helping them to ban our firearms.And the term weapon,yes it took me a while to get used to that to,cause we say "Våpen" to almost any firearm in Norway,I dont think we have a good word for it to be honest.;)
Anyway gettin the hang of the firearms word now:D0 -
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Nope, no shaking allowed
Yup, it's always shot indoors for airguns - any breeze at all would make it impossible to shoot, there's just not enough kinetic energy in the pellets to manage any wind.
(Hell, with my air pistol, you can watch the pellets flying downrange, they're so slow)
I remember watching lads shooting fullbore pistol matches - using .38 Wad Cutters and they were slow enough you could see them go downrange aswell - you could even see that they were already falling by the time they reached the targets - they did not even impact the sand in the backstop - but simply rolled down and piled up at the bottom.
I know they still have a lot more energy than an air pellet - by virtue of being heavier - but by the time they hit the target, or bullet catcher there was not a lot left - In fairness they were firing 50m and it was pissing rain and blowing a gale - still most of them were piled up in the centre at the bottom of the target.
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At the end of the day - an 'official' match may not work in an outdoor range - but if everyone is firing an air pistol and they are all on the same line and it is snowing and blowing a gale - that is still a match.
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Still more than 1,000 mtrs. Plus 1,200 sounds more impressive than 1,000.
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Nope, no shaking allowed
...and it will happily hit the target at 10, 15 and 25 metres, though by 25 metres the pellet is tumbling and hitting the target backwards). It's even accurate-ish out to the 25m range.
Funny you should say that the pellet is tumbling and hitting the target backwards at 25m.
Whereas, at 20m we are scoring over here in UK scores equalling our .22RF scores from back in the days when we were allowed real .22 handguns. My own never-to-be-repeated 100x100 on a PL12 target reminds me that air/gas propelled handguns can be every bit as accurate as their .22 brethren at 20m.
I'm looking forward to visiting the Midland site next time I'm over.
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No. All the firing points are in a line behind one another all facing towards the backstop. The windmill range is used normally for shooting in excess of 300 yards as most lads that want to shoot between 100 - 300 will use the sheltered range even though its in metres it suffices for their needs.
The Creedmoor range can be used at the same time as the windmill as they are two seperate ranges. So you could be shooting on the 300 yard firing point of the windmill while other lads are shooting on say 900 yards on the Creedmoor.
I'm glad we cleared THAT one up.....could have been pretty exciting, else.
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The reason there may be confusion tac foley is two fold.
- Alot of lads still have never sat foot on a range and even less on a proper fullbore range so do not fully understand the way it works.
- Secondly if lads have been to the MNSCI, but only onto the sheltered range then they may think the windmill and Creedmoor is set out the same. On the sheltered ranges we have one long continuous firing point and then three individual backstops representing the different distances. See pic.
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