Honda Bros for us tall people?

navangang

Hi im just wondering would the honda bros 400cc be too small for a 6ft guy?

robodonkey

I'm a short arse and I found it cramped (but great when stopped at lights etc)

MargeS

I would say yes. I'm 5'4" and could get both feet on the ground comfortably.

cantdecide

http://cycle-ergo.com/

navangang

cantdecide wrote: »

http://cycle-ergo.com/

bros(nt400)not there,only the 650cc

navangang

would a suzuki bandit 250 be any better?..what about this one?the green one
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/2441023

Del2005

A mate of mine had a Bros, he's about 6' and was fine. The 400 and 650 are basically the same bike. I think the 250 is slightly smaller, but have never seen them together.

cantdecide

What age are you, NG?

navangang

cantdecide wrote: »

What age are you, NG?

18.

thewatch

I had one as a second bike up to recently and they're fine. I'm 6'3" and it wasn't overly cramped. Great bike too

navangang

thewatch wrote: »

I had one as a second bike up to recently and they're fine. I'm 6'3" and it wasn't overly cramped. Great bike too

you think i should get a honda bros then ye?..theres one on donedeal for 850,only problem is clutch is beginning to slip.Is it a big and an expensive job to fix?..Im sorry for question after question but im just making sure i get the most reliable and a bike thats not too small for me:p

cantdecide

What about a Varadero or a TDR125?

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/2144572

My brother is 6'3" and had one when he was 18...

He did 20,000 miles (yes, miles) on it in a single year!!

navangang

cantdecide wrote: »

What about a Varadero or a TDR125?

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/2144572

My brother is 6'3" and had one when he was 18...

He did 20,000 miles (yes, miles) on it in a single year!!

For my first bike i was thinking of getting one of them,but i need a bike bigger then 150cc,so im stuck deciding between a suzuki bandit 250 or a honda bros 400cc:(ha..there the only bikes because my budget is only like a €1000,and i found one of each for under 1000€

thewatch

navangang wrote: »

you think i should get a honda bros then ye?..theres one on donedeal for 850,only problem is clutch is beginning to slip.Is it a big and an expensive job to fix?..Im sorry for question after question but im just making sure i get the most reliable and a bike thats not too small for me:p

I wouldn't buy it unless it's cheap if the clutch is slipping. €850 is good money for those. Repairs and a good serviceing can add up to a fair amount and they are an old bike.

Also beware of the learner legal claims. They need restricting for Quinn to insure. They do look for a cert now

thewatch

navangang wrote: »

For my first bike i was thinking of getting one of them,but i need a bike bigger then 150cc,so im stuck deciding between a suzuki bandit 250 or a honda bros 400cc:(ha..there the only bikes because my budget is only like a €1000,and i found one of each for under 1000€

The Bandit 250 is well known as a terrible buy. Very unreliable. Defineately rule that one out

You could try a VTR250 or a Hornet 250 or they cruisers Dragstar/Marauder/Rebel 250

navangang

thewatch wrote: »

I wouldn't buy it unless it's cheap if the clutch is slipping. €850 is good money for those. Repairs and a good serviceing can add up to a fair amount and they are an old bike.

Also beware of the learner legal claims. They need restricting for Quinn to insure. They do look for a cert now

so should i go with the suzuki bandit 250 then,since ill have to pay an extra 250 for the restricton kit for the bros?..im so confused on what to get

navangang

thewatch wrote: »

The Bandit 250 is well known as a terrible buy. Very unreliable. Defineately rule that one out

You could try a VTR250 or a Hornet 250 or they cruisers Dragstar/Marauder/Rebel 250

cant find any vtr,and the hornet is way out of my budget,they going for 2000 and over:eek:

cantdecide

navangang wrote: »

For my first bike i was thinking of getting one of them,but i need a bike bigger then 150cc,so im stuck deciding between a suzuki bandit 250 or a honda bros 400cc:(ha..there the only bikes because my budget is only like a €1000,and i found one of each for under 1000€

Can you do the IBT etc on a 125 with an A license? You can always do the test on a school CBF 250 or something like that, if the test is all you're worried about. Maybe it's just because I have an affinity with them but if I were in your position, I'd need a very good reason not to go for a TDR- they have loads of 2-stroke pep and you would be buying a significantly younger bike than the likes of a Bandit.

Have you tried for insurance for the likes of a CB400? Am I right in thinking they would be more substancial in terms of height etc?

thewatch

Your best bet is to take your time and get someone experienced to go look at bikes with you. Ask around,someone will help. Don't rush into buying. Offer below the asking price if you have to or wait a little longer untill you get some more cash.
Hornet 250's are at an asking price of around €1800, offer a few hundred lower and you might pick one up.

Better to buy a decent bike than to buy cheap and put a load of money into setting it right and hate it for that reason

goodlad

Seen this on adverts.
If yer still aftr a bros it doesnt look like a bad price.

http://www.adverts.ie/car/other-honda/other-honda/honda-bros-400cc-for-sale/777296

Ratchet

bros is great bike with narrow frame feels smaller then it is but ultra handy in town...

bros 400 doesnt need restrictor

goodlad

Ratchet wrote: »

bros is great bike with narrow frame feels smaller then it is but ultra handy in town...

bros 400 doesnt need restrictor

Quinn claim they do and will want it restricted and to see a cert.

And Quinn are pretty much the only insurer who go near young bike drivers.

Ratchet

.... bros is within the power limit

Keith186

http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/cb1

Couple of CB1s there, similar to bros but better. Doubt that 2nd one is learner legal unless it's restricted somehow.

Del2005

navangang wrote: »

18.

Have you got quotes for insurance yet? That will be a bigger issue then you being 6 foot. Stick bikes you fancy into Quinn and see how much it'll cost to get on the road.

Ratchet wrote: »

.... bros is within the power limit

AFAIK a Bros is 40bhp and no where near the kg/kw limit, if you want to risk that.

Ratchet

Del2005 wrote: »

Have you got quotes for insurance yet? That will be a bigger issue then you being 6 foot. Stick bikes you fancy into Quinn and see how much it'll cost to get on the road.




AFAIK a Bros is 40bhp and no where near the kg/kw limit, if you want to risk that.

different sites claim different bhp but quinn cant say no to this

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Honda/Honda-Bros-NT400-1988-1992/

i didnt have to show any restriction for my bros400 or my brothers and we had 3 of them in family insured with quinn ....dont think that changed within the month

Del2005

Ratchet wrote: »

different sites claim different bhp but quinn cant say no to this

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Honda/Honda-Bros-NT400-1988-1992/

i didnt have to show any restriction for my bros400 or my brothers and we had 3 of them in family insured with quinn ....dont think that changed within the month

I'll raise you this and [url=lhttp://hawkgtforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21280]this[/url].

The big issue with the restriction on licences is that it's a civil law issue, so the burden of proof doesn't lie with the plaintiff but with the defendant and there's no reasonable doubt in civil law.*


*This is purely for insurance purposes and has no affect on you getting prosecuted or not. Don't forget that an insurance company will always take your money, but getting them to pay out is a totally different mater. As no mater what you are insured to ride or drive, at the end of the day it's always the operators responsibility to prove they are legally allowed to operate it.

navangang

Del2005 wrote: »

Have you got quotes for insurance yet? That will be a bigger issue then you being 6 foot. Stick bikes you fancy into Quinn and see how much it'll cost to get on the road.
i went into there office in blanch and they said they wont even give me a quote until the manager has seen a restrictor cert.i was pretty p****d because i travelled from navan to go to them,i couldnt understand why they couldnt just give me some kind of figure..Thats why i had my eyes on the bandit 250 because i was able to get a quote online.

robodonkey

RE the bhp on Honda Bros, widely reported as 33bhp. Even if one was to be claiming 40bhp I'd suggest a few horses would have escaped over the years anyway!

Insurer may look for cert (I got asked for mine mid-way through policy) "for their records" but IIRC this was due to pressure from cops/govt.

It is entirely the responsibility of the rider at the end of the day however.

If I was on learner permit again, I'd be on a Bros 400 and wouldn't have any fear of police/insurance being invalid.

I was stopped a few times on the old Bros, but never questioned re Restriction/BHP.

goodlad

robodonkey wrote: »

RE the bhp on Honda Bros, widely reported as 33bhp. Even if one was to be claiming 40bhp I'd suggest a few horses would have escaped over the years anyway!

Insurer may look for cert (I got asked for mine mid-way through policy) "for their records" but IIRC this was due to pressure from cops/govt.

It is entirely the responsibility of the rider at the end of the day however.

If I was on learner permit again, I'd be on a Bros 400 and wouldn't have any fear of police/insurance being invalid.

I was stopped a few times on the old Bros, but never questioned re Restriction/BHP.

I think the issue is more to do with new policies for a bros, Quinn claim they want a bros restricted and they want to see a cert.

So no matter what the specific bikes actual bhp is, your gonna be handing out an extra 250 euro for a restriction because you arnt gonna get insured if you don't.

So yeah man, if you don't want the hassle then just don't get a bros.

Ratchet

Del2005 wrote: »

I'll raise you this and [url=lhttp://hawkgtforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21280]this[/url].

The big issue with the restriction on licences is that it's a civil law issue, so the burden of proof doesn't lie with the plaintiff but with the defendant and there's no reasonable doubt in civil law.*


*This is purely for insurance purposes and has no affect on you getting prosecuted or not. Don't forget that an insurance company will always take your money, but getting them to pay out is a totally different mater. As no mater what you are insured to ride or drive, at the end of the day it's always the operators responsibility to prove they are legally allowed to operate it.

......Bros in need of restriction .....its a myth.

navangang

would the suzuki bandit 250 1990 need to be restricted?

thewatch

Ratchet wrote: »

......Bros in need of restriction .....its a myth.

If you don't know what your talking about don't post!!

navangang wrote: »

would the suzuki bandit 250 1990 need to be restricted?

Please don't buy a Bandit 250. Jebus will cry. There are an awful bike and you'll regret it. I don't post this for a laugh, seriously stay well wide of them

Ratchet

thewatch wrote: »

If you don't know what your talking about don't post!!

ohh man

had bros insured with quinn and new owner is also insured with quinn now ... ..but because some dude on the phone said it needs restrictor......bros became drag monster...:) maybe just check other bike forums...

feel free to pay for something that you dont have to...its your money

thewatch

Ratchet wrote: »

thewatch wrote: »

If you don't know what your talking about don't post!!

ohh man

had bros insured with quinn and new owner is also insured with quinn now ... ..but because some dude on the phone said it needs restrictor......bros became drag monster...:) maybe just check other bike forums...

feel free to pay for something that you dont have to...its your money

Someone already posted on the thread that they were asked for a restiction Cert for the Bros so that proves my point.

I think it's a load of **** arguing the learner legal staus of a Bros myself but I'd like to be given the facts as opposed to annecdotes like "some dude on the phone said"... that's bad info..leave it out! man

Ratchet

thewatch wrote: »

Ratchet wrote: »

Someone already posted on the thread that they were asked for a restiction Cert for the Bros so that proves my point.

I think it's a load of **** arguing the learner legal staus of a Bros myself but I'd like to be given the facts as opposed to annecdotes like "some dude on the phone said"... that's bad info..leave it out! man

do us all a favour and write quick mail to quinn ..include mcn link above and ask them .....i am thinking about buying this bike and do i need restrictor?

then you get some facts...

navangang

Ratchet wrote: »

thewatch wrote: »

If you don't know what your talking about don't post!!

ohh man

had bros insured with quinn and new owner is also insured with quinn now ... ..but because some dude on the phone said it needs restrictor......bros became drag monster...:) maybe just check other bike forums...

feel free to pay for something that you dont have to...its your money

it wasnt on the phone it was in their building in blanch that said they want a restrictoe cert before they insure me..i understand what ya mean,in that it doesnt really need to be restricted,but im guessing they want a restrictor from me because its a big bike(big for someone my age) and because im only 18.

navangang

Anyone know anywhere i can get cheap restrictor kits?even 2nd hand ones?i was thinking that,if you knew a bike mechanic,could he just produce a cert without ever having the bike restricted or does the bike need to be tested with the restriction then you get the cert?

cantdecide

navangang wrote: »

Anyone know anywhere i can get cheap restrictor kits?even 2nd hand ones?i was thinking that,if you knew a bike mechanic,could he just produce a cert without ever having the bike restricted or does the bike need to be tested with the restriction then you get the cert?

FI international appear to be the only accepted 'kit' available. If you fit one of their kits, you get a cert and you don't need to have the bike dyno-tested. Check out their website.

There's another dude somewhere near Portlaoise actually. He will 'stop' your throttle, dyno your bike to show it complies and issue a certificate that Quinn will accept. He can make sure you get the full 33bhp (unlike FI kits which apparently err on the side of caution).

I am aware that it sounds like BS but my buddy did this (not a guy that knows a guy- he's a close friend who shares a house with my brother). I was present for all decision making associated with his ZX). We were both extremely skeptical and I was trying to talk him into just getting an F1 kit. He kept making enquiries and kept getting assurances from Quinn and others that it was an accepted and fully above board way of restricting your bike. This was just around April gone. I think it works out cheaper by a bit.

There are second hand kits available from some shops but I'm sure it's luck of the draw. There are issues and charges around certificates later.

In reality, if you're down to the level of penny pinching where you can't spring €250 for a restriction kit, I think you may have to re-consider your approach. Biking ain't cheap. Bikes, insurance, tax, gear, tax, petrol, incidentals etc etc. It takes thousands, unless you're prepared to accept a 125...

navangang

cantdecide wrote: »

FI international appear to be the only accepted 'kit' available. If you fit one of their kits, you get a cert and you don't need to have the bike dyno-tested. Check out their website.

There's another dude somewhere near Portlaoise actually. He will 'stop' your throttle, dyno your bike to show it complies and issue a certificate that Quinn will accept. He can make sure you get the full 33bhp (unlike FI kits which apparently err on the side of caution).

I am aware that it sounds like BS but my buddy did this (not a guy that knows a guy- he's a close friend who shares a house with my brother). I was present for all decision making associated with his ZX). We were both extremely skeptical and I was trying to talk him into just getting an F1 kit. He kept making enquiries and kept getting assurances from Quinn and others that it was an accepted and fully above board way of restricting your bike. This was just around April gone. I think it works out cheaper by a bit.

There are second hand kits available from some shops but I'm sure it's luck of the draw. There are issues and charges around certificates later.

In reality, if you're down to the level of penny pinching where you can't spring €250 for a restriction kit, I think you may have to re-consider your approach. Biking ain't cheap. Bikes, insurance, tax, gear, tax, petrol, incidentals etc etc. It takes thousands, unless you're prepared to accept a 125...

i checked their site and its like 170£ for the honda bros:eek:which is mad money for something that slows down your bike and gives you a piece of paper..are the washers like specially made or could i find a pair of washers that could work?..i have everything i need for biking,the gear and all that..i have the money for the bike,the insurance and tax..200-250€ just seems a little steep for washers and a piece of paper:p

cantdecide

navangang wrote: »

i checked their site and its like 170£ for the honda bros:eek:which is mad money for something that slows down your bike and gives you a piece of paper..are the washers like specially made or could i find a pair of washers that could work?..i have everything i need for biking,the gear and all that..i have the money for the bike,the insurance and tax..200-250€ just seems a little steep for washers and a piece of paper:p

It's a standard price, afaik. I think I paid €280 to restrict my Blackbird last year.

This is what they look like. Obviously, the Bros only needs two.


They're stuck into the inlets so the amount of air the engine inhales is reduced. Less air= less power. They're nothing special about them at all except the outside diameter and the diameter of the new hole.

Presumably, it's probably the testing they have to participate in that demands the premium. Restrictors -£10. Knowing how to restrict the bike and certifying it accordingly - £160.

Ratchet

navangang wrote: »

Ratchet wrote: »

it wasnt on the phone it was in their building in blanch that said they want a restrictoe cert before they insure me..i understand what ya mean,in that it doesnt really need to be restricted,but im guessing they want a restrictor from me because its a big bike(big for someone my age) and because im only 18.

well quinn may have issue with 18 (which is wrong anyway) still I think would be no harm getting this in writing to see how they justify restrictor requirement for a bike that is 31bhp according to one of biggest UK motorcycle sites...i just wouldnt give up quickly cause some dude said so

or just go to nice girl and try again

dont get me wrong....i just dont have time for insurers and hate to see people having difficulties getting onto 2 wheels specially for something stupid like power restriction on bros. all nt400 fans i know are insured with quinn some got letter asking for restrictor but they just said ...its learner legal

in terms of restrictors:

i cant recommend this guy enough http://www.poleonmotorcycles.com/ bit out of the way but worth it

navangang

Ratchet wrote: »

navangang wrote: »

well quinn may have issue with 18 (which is wrong anyway) still I think would be no harm getting this in writing to see how they justify restrictor requirement for a bike that is 31bhp according to one of biggest UK motorcycle sites...i just wouldnt give up quickly cause some dude said so

or just go to nice girl and try again

dont get me wrong....i just dont have time for insurers and hate to see people having difficulties getting onto 2 wheels specially for something stupid like power restriction on bros. all nt400 fans i know are insured with quinn some got letter asking for restrictor but they just said ...its learner legal

in terms of restrictors:

i cant recommend this guy enough http://www.poleonmotorcycles.com/ bit out of the way but worth it

i know it drives me mad when that mcn site states that its only 31bhp and yet quinn want a restrictor on it:mad:..im gonna try ask them would a dyno cert do.hopefully it will or im never gonna get anywhere with biking for at least a couple of years:(..ive read about that guy in trim who does the restrictions.do you know how much he'd do a bros for?

navangang

cantdecide wrote: »

It's a standard price, afaik. I think I paid €280 to restrict my Blackbird last year.

This is what they look like. Obviously, the Bros only needs two.


They're stuck into the inlets so the amount of air the engine inhales is reduced. Less air= less power. They're nothing special about them at all except the outside diameter and the diameter of the new hole.

Presumably, it's probably the testing they have to participate in that demands the premium. Restrictors -£10. Knowing how to restrict the bike and certifying it accordingly - £160.

i actually laughed a little when i seen what 250€ of my money would get me.the price for them is ridiculousl.,..oh right now i understand how they work.i hadnt a clue what the washers actually did.:p

Del2005

cantdecide wrote: »

It's a standard price, afaik. I think I paid €280 to restrict my Blackbird last year.

This is what they look like. Obviously, the Bros only needs two.


They're stuck into the inlets so the amount of air the engine inhales is reduced. Less air= less power. They're nothing special about them at all except the outside diameter and the diameter of the new hole.

Presumably, it's probably the testing they have to participate in that demands the premium. Restrictors -£10. Knowing how to restrict the bike and certifying it accordingly - £160.

I didn't even get a washer on my Z750, all I got was 50mm of metal on the throttle body for £200. But as Cantdecide says, you aren't paying for the metal you're paying for the knowledge and cert.

Ratchet wrote: »

well quinn may have issue with 18 (which is wrong anyway) still I think would be no harm getting this in writing to see how they justify restrictor requirement for a bike that is 31bhp according to one of biggest UK motorcycle sites...i just wouldnt give up quickly cause some dude said so

or just go to nice girl and try again

dont get me wrong....i just dont have time for insurers and hate to see people having difficulties getting onto 2 wheels specially for something stupid like power restriction on bros. all nt400 fans i know are insured with quinn some got letter asking for restrictor but they just said ...its learner legal

in terms of restrictors:

i cant recommend this guy enough http://www.poleonmotorcycles.com/ bit out of the way but worth it

Why are you ignoring all the sites that say a Bros is 37bhp, which is what Honda claimed at launch, and posting the one that agrees with you. Unfortunately the power restriction is on the crank, which is where manufactures always give their power figures from, so reading 33bhp or 31bhp at the back wheel puts you over the limit.

BTW I dislike insurance companies and the sh!te they put people through. But the OP is a young fella looking to get insured on a big(ish) bike and paying out a large wad of cash for the pleasure. I've heard too many bad stories about Quinn, not that the others are any better, not paying out or cancelling policies for the stupidest reasons I don't want the OP to only have Garda insurance.

As I've said before the insurance company will always take your money, but they'll do their best not pay out if needed and unless the OP gets it in writing that they'll except the restriction fitted they could have issues when making a claim.

And again. It doesn't mater if they insure you on a bike, if they find out when you make a claim that you aren't licensed to ride it they won't pay out any Comp cover and you could be sued for 3rd party damages.

OP,have you looked at any of the factory restricted bikes? They may be in a lower class then the Bros and so be cheaper and easier to insure.

thewatch

Ratchet wrote: »

navangang wrote: »

well quinn may have issue with 18 (which is wrong anyway) still I think would be no harm getting this in writing to see how they justify restrictor requirement for a bike that is 31bhp according to one of biggest UK motorcycle sites...i just wouldnt give up quickly cause some dude said so

or just go to nice girl and try again

dont get me wrong....i just dont have time for insurers and hate to see people having difficulties getting onto 2 wheels specially for something stupid like power restriction on bros. all nt400 fans i know are insured with quinn some got letter asking for restrictor but they just said ...its learner legal

in terms of restrictors:

i cant recommend this guy enough http://www.poleonmotorcycles.com/ bit out of the way but worth it

Will you please stop posting. You haven't a clue. It doesn't matter a toss what a website says a bikes power is. Insurance companies go on original manufacturing specs and the Bros was over.

I doubt any bros in this day and age is over the power limit but thats the way it goes. With Quinn in short you risk them challenguing any claim you might have in the event of accident.

navangang

Del2005 wrote: »

I didn't even get a washer on my Z750, all I got was 50mm of metal on the throttle body for £200. But as Cantdecide says, you aren't paying for the metal you're paying for the knowledge and cert.


Why are you ignoring all the sites that say a Bros is 37bhp, which is what Honda claimed at launch, and posting the one that agrees with you. Unfortunately the power restriction is on the crank, which is where manufactures always give their power figures from, so reading 33bhp or 31bhp at the back wheel puts you over the limit.

BTW I dislike insurance companies and the sh!te they put people through. But the OP is a young fella looking to get insured on a big(ish) bike and paying out a large wad of cash for the pleasure. I've heard too many bad stories about Quinn, not that the others are any better, not paying out or cancelling policies for the stupidest reasons I don't want the OP to only have Garda insurance.

As I've said before the insurance company will always take your money, but they'll do their best not pay out if needed and unless the OP gets it in writing that they'll except the restriction fitted they could have issues when making a claim.

And again. It doesn't mater if they insure you on a bike, if they find out when you make a claim that you aren't licensed to ride it they won't pay out any Comp cover and you could be sued for 3rd party damages.

OP,have you looked at any of the factory restricted bikes? They may be in a lower class then the Bros and so be cheaper and easier to insure.

thanks for all the replies.....ye ive looked into factory restricted bikes but there like double my budget,i'd never be able to afford them unless i win the lotto:P..oh ri,i never knew the honda bros was 37bhp at one stage:eek:,feel kind of stupid now asking does it need a restrictor:o

Del2005

navangang wrote: »

thanks for all the replies.....ye ive looked into factory restricted bikes but there like double my budget,i'd never be able to afford them unless i win the lotto:P..oh ri,i never knew the honda bros was 37bhp at one stage:eek:,feel kind of stupid now asking does it need a restrictor:o

Don't be. Until recently Quinn insured anything under 40bhp as learner legal, which may be where Ratchet is coming from. Now they are bankrupt they are clamping down.

Ratchet

thewatch wrote: »

Ratchet wrote: »

Will you please stop posting. You haven't a clue. It doesn't matter a toss what a website says a bikes power is. Insurance companies go on original manufacturing specs and the Bros was over.

I doubt any bros in this day and age is over the power limit but thats the way it goes. With Quinn in short you risk them challenguing any claim you might have in the event of accident.

yeah you right
me and other just got lucky with quinn which politly acknowledged the fact that bros did need a cert

you dont get insurered if you dont have cert and if you change bikes on current policy they will cancel your insurance if you dont procedure cert after you receive the letter.....how they gonna chalenge you ?:rolleyes:

on the other subject quinn will accept non FI cert before you start again...I dropped cert to D15 office myself .....average price for non FI 130--150 for carb restriction ...

Del2005

Ratchet wrote: »

.how they gonna chalenge you ?:rolleyes:

They don't challenge you, they are quite happy to take your money. When you make a claim they send an assessor out and they check you're bike. If they find any discrepancies they will take that into account when handling your claim.

As an example a person I know made a claim for water damage after the freeze last winter. The assessor came out to their house and the only thing they did was measure it. Why would they measure the square footage of the whole house for water damage in one room?

navangang

hi,thanks for your help and opinons people,,i went out and got the honda bros in the end..got it restricted for €110:D..just a quick question on the bike,is there a choke on the bike?(couldnt find the choke this morning),and would antifreeze be what i put into the coolant?