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Welfare for addicts

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  • #32
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Did you know that a heroin addict has to be clean for 6 months before they can go on a methadone programme?

    How does that work? Do they have to acquire someone else's urine for 6 months?


  • #33
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    realies wrote: »
    Not being funny but clean of what ? Do they not go straight onto methadone to get them of heroin and are then suppose to wean themselves of the methadone but in reality the majority of them stay on the doses for ever.


    Nope. They have to stop using for heroin for 6 months before they can go on a programme. They're tested weekly before and during the programme.


  • #34
    doolox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭doolox


    If we were discussing people with disabilities the tenor of this thread would be regarded as facist or worse.

    Medical science has not established that addicts are to blame for their situation so the benefit of doubt should be given to them until it can be proven that withdrawing assistance might work.

    Their dependents should be completely removed from the removal of aid and, hopefully, it should be possible to find a responsible adult to look after them.

    Often it is very difficult to separate family members from the person affected by the addiction so the by using blunt measures more than the immediate "wrongdoer", if they are to be classed as "wrongdoers" at all, are affected.

    Comprehensive revision of constitutional measures regarding the family unit, rights of people affected by addictions, mental health etc needs to be done but the present political persons have bigger fish to fry.......


  • #35
    WonderWoman!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭WonderWoman!


    dvpower wrote: »
    Agreed.
    Who's going to employ an addict in this economy?
    .

    I meant a reformed addict
    and anyone with a shred of decency


  • #36
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    One of the biggest issue in addressing heroin addiction lies in the lack of a custodial drug-treatment centre. It was provided for in the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act, but 34 years later it has yet to come to pass.So as the addicts get locked up they are in the same or maybe even worse situations as they would be out on the streets and the circle keeps going around and getting bigger.


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  • #37
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Surley wrote: »
    Do you remember that show on TG4 where 3 lads would pick an outfit for some girl? And they'd all speak in a language that most people couldn't understand. They could do something like that with junkies. They should team up with Lifestyle Sports and get this show on TV.

    The girl was usual a yoke too.


  • #38
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    WonderWoman! wrote: »
    I meant a reformed addict
    and anyone with a shred of decency

    I'm not a mind reader.
    WonderWoman! wrote: »
    A job could do wonders for some drug addicts
    could give them something to get up for. They need that money to live .

    A reformed addict no problem. They play on the same pitch as the rest of us.


  • #39
    previous user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    On a more serious note, they should definately introduce the program
    for addicts whereby they get their social if they allow themselves to be sterilized
    lets face it these peoples lives aren't going to improve and neither is their kids, time
    to break the cycle of misery for them and society and possibly extend this to
    longterm unemployed on council estates, there is no hope for these people.


  • #40
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    The Zohan wrote: »
    Nope. They have to stop using for heroin for 6 months before they can go on a programme. They're tested weekly before and during the programme.


    Yes they stop taking heroin but they go straight on to menthone controlled by there local doc or clinic,as if they just stopped everything for 6 months they wouldent need to go on methadone.:confused: To be corrected.


  • #41
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Did you know that a heroin addict has to be clean for 6 months before they can go on a methadone programme?

    Bloody hell, that's terrible, methadone for all. :pac:

    It's clearly the answer to all our problems.


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  • #42
    7sr2z3fely84g5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    realies wrote: »
    Yes they stop taking heroin but they go straight on to menthone controlled by there local doc or clinic,as if they just stopped everything for 6 months they wouldent need to go on methadone.:confused: To be corrected.

    my understanding its not that straight forward,cold turkey *thats withdrawal for those not familiar with this term* is supposed to be an awful situation,i would believe it since they have a methadone program in the joy which restores law and order in the prison such is the amount of addicts locked up.

    Other knock on effect is the cluster of addicts that go to certain clinics which can be nuisance for business owners.


  • #43
    WonderWoman!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭WonderWoman!


    dvpower wrote: »
    I'm not a mind reader.

    I thought it would have been pretty obvious I wasn't on bout someone off their face on heroin


  • #44
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    previous user wrote: »
    On a more serious note, they should definitely introduce the program
    for addicts whereby they get their social if they allow themselves to be sterilized
    lets face it these peoples lives aren't going to improve and neither is their kids, time
    to break the cycle of misery for them and society and possibly extend this to
    long term unemployed on council estates, there is no hope for these people.


    Richard Lewis, Richard Pryor and George Carlin. Sir Anthony Hopkins has managed to stay clean and sober for over 30 years now and there are many more including politicians,http://gooseberrybush.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/famous-alcoholics-addicts/

    As for your last part about long term unemployed, I feel sad for the likes of you with that mentality.Its all in front of you and I hope there is someone there to help you.


  • #45
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    realies wrote: »
    Yes they stop taking heroin but they go straight on to menthone controlled by there local doc or clinic,as if they just stopped everything for 6 months they wouldent need to go on methadone.:confused: To be corrected.

    Are you 100% sure about that? I have a friend that's a pharmacist and they tell me that heroin users have to be 6 months clean before they can attend their clinic.


  • #46
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    doolox wrote: »
    Medical science has not established that addicts are to blame for their situation

    And probably can't.


  • #47
    Icemancometh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 873 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Are you 100% sure about that? I have a friend that's a pharmacist and they tell me that heroin users have to be 6 months clean before they can attend their clinic.

    Don't know the specifics, but it doesn't make any sense. It's harder to quit methadone than heroin. If you were clean for 6 months, why go back to methadone?


  • #48
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    If they arent paid welfare they'll get the money somewhere else and it wont be pretty.


  • #49
    7sr2z3fely84g5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    If they arent paid welfare they'll get the money somewhere else and it wont be pretty.

    Surely they would have it spent in a day or paying off a dealer?.


  • #50
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    The Zohan wrote: »
    Are you 100% sure about that? I have a friend that's a pharmacist and they tell me that heroin users have to be 6 months clean before they can attend their clinic.


    95% Yes your friend is right,they have to be clean of heroin & coke Before there accepted by a clinic where they can get the methadone daily,they must give clean urines daily, But as there waiting for the clinic they must have something to stop the massive withdrawals one would get,so they have there own doctor who will prescribe physeptone which is another heroin substitute,The goal of all this is to wean them of heroin unto methadone and unto being clean.If they could stop dead for 6 months they wouldent need any of this.


  • #51
    previous user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    realies wrote: »
    Richard Lewis, Richard Pryor and George Carlin. Sir Anthony Hopkins has managed to stay clean and sober for over 30 years now and there are many more including politicians,http://gooseberrybush.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/famous-alcoholics-addicts/

    As for your last part about long term unemployed, I feel sad for the likes of you with that mentality.Its all in front of you and I hope there is someone there to help you.

    Why do you feel sad for me, you're the one thats deluded if you think addicts and long term unemployed are a benefit to themselves, their family or society.


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  • #52
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    previous user wrote: »
    Why do you feel sad for me, you're the one thats deluded if you think addicts and long term unemployed are a benefit to themselves, their family or society.


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/number-of-long-term-unemployed-doubles-461774.html

    and it will keep getting worse, maybe you should just shoot them all, make some room.


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