Hypocritical moderation

sendit

Just something i noticed the other day in a thread i seen ill put a link to it at the end.

In all forums one rule is no advertising fair enough however if someone is deamed to be advertising or promoting something there told use adverts.ie. IS that not hypocritical because thats promoting adverts.ie? This is just one thing id like to highlight.

The second thing is in the thread i was looking at the person is talking about selling something and a numberof times the moderator says used adverts.ie and at one point says not to used ebay but used advers.ie

''If someone wants to sell something or link to a good deal, then use adverts.ie, not ebay or promote PM trades.''

''If you are looking for something or selling for something, use adverts.ie''

Above are some quotes from the moderatoer and hears the link

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056043565&page=2

I think its very hypocritical for moderators to say people cant promote something when there doing it themselfs

Shield

Moved from the Help Desk to Feedback as the OP is providing just that - feedback. Redirect expires in 7 days.

Steve

Stuff can't be advertised for free on boards - simple as that.
Adverts.ie used to be part of boards.ie until recently and is still closely linked (in that if your account here is more than a year old - you had, by default, a corresponding account there).
So, historically, the whole 'use adverts.ie' thing is more like 'you posted this in the wrong forum'.

It's probably just traditional / old habit to say 'use adverts' but there's nothing written anywhere to say that we shouldn't

By the way, I'm also an adverts.ie mod so that was probably a biased reply.

sendit

Steve wrote: »

Stuff can't be advertised for free on boards - simple as that.
Adverts.ie used to be part of boards.ie until recently and is still closely linked (in that if your account here is more than a year old - you had, by default, a corresponding account there).
So, historically, the whole 'use adverts.ie' thing is more like 'you posted this in the wrong forum'.

It's probably just traditional / old habit to say 'use adverts' but there's nothing written anywhere to say that we shouldn't

By the way, I'm also an adverts.ie mod so that was probably a biased reply.

But is saying use adverts.ie not advertising it for free?

Insect Overlord

sendit wrote: »

But is saying use adverts.ie not advertising it for free?

It's an old tradition. Going back about 5 years, I think. The old habits die hardest!

sendit

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It's an old tradition. Going back about 5 years, I think. The old habits die hardest!

I think its very hypocritical to say people cant promote something when moderators there doing it themselfs

Insect Overlord

sendit wrote: »

I think its very hypocritical to say people cant promote something when moderators there doing it themselfs

How is it hypocritical?

Adverts.ie and Boards.ie are owned by the same company. Sales are (in 99% of cases) not allowed on Boards fora. They are the purpose of a sister website. If you want to sell something to the Boards audience, Adverts is the perfect place for it!

sendit

Also another thing id like to highlight about moderation is in the The door-to-door / commission-only jobs thread
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056051270

People saying that people who work there are scumbags etc and nothing being done about it seems mods to come in when it suits them in this case

sendit

Insect Overlord wrote: »

How is it hypocritical?

Adverts.ie and Boards.ie are owned by the same company. Sales are (in 99% of cases) not allowed on Boards fora. They are the purpose of a sister website. If you want to sell something to the Boards audience, Adverts is the perfect place for it!

You tell people not to promote things on boards.ie but you do it themslefs. I showed a case where a mod told someone not to used ebay and use adverts.ie insteed thats promoting another website other then boards.ie in my eyes

Steve

Ah, your real agenda comes to light.

Mods have nothing to gain and are completely impartial in any recommendations. You seem to have a problem with that?

pickarooney

Use adverts.ie as opposed to boards.ie just seems like a helpful pointer but specifically telling someone not to use ebay sounds a bit dodgy, although there's no context provided.

sendit

Steve wrote: »

Ah, your real agenda comes to light.

Mods have nothing to gain and are completely impartial in any recommendations. You seem to have a problem with that?

No i have a problem with mods useing there power to stop people from promoting things but the promoting a website themselfs.

Also that mod in the link doesn't recommend adverts.ie they clearly say dont use ebay but use adverts.is if they had nothing to gain why did they say dont used ebay?

sendit

pickarooney wrote: »

Use adverts.ie as opposed to boards.ie just seems like a helpful pointer but specifically telling someone not to use ebay sounds a bit dodgy, although there's no context provided.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056043565&page=3

Post 30 and 33 say dont use ebay use adverts.ie

Steve

Why exactly are you taking offence at this? do you have some connection to ebay?

I can see your point by the way but I'd like to hear the other side of the story as well.

RolandIRL

if a user posted an ad on boards, he makes it available to the boards community, no harm in redirecting to adverts, it's what the site is for. with ebay you're competing with others outside of boards. if the user wanted to put it up there, he would have.

boards and adverts are linked, adverts grew out of boards, so i don't see the hypocrisy in this.

sendit

Steve wrote: »

Why exactly are you taking offence at this? do you have some connection to ebay?

I can see your point by the way but I'd like to hear the other side of the story as well.

Yes i own ebay

I just noticed it and wanted to point it out thats all

Insect Overlord

sendit wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056043565&page=3

Post 30 and 33 say dont use ebay use adverts.ie

Quite a lot of posts have been snipped in that thread. I'd guess that the posts in question were links to auctions on E-bay.

My own brother got site-banned for doing something similar. He posted several links to his e-bay auctions last year to raise their profile. That's just spamming.

Posters trying to let others know about stuff for sale should do so on Adverts instead of putting them on e-bay and spamming the links.

sendit

Roland Deschain wrote: »

if a user posted an ad on boards, he makes it available to the boards community, no harm in redirecting to adverts, it's what the site is for. with ebay you're competing with others outside of boards. if the user wanted to put it up there, he would have.

boards and adverts are linked, adverts grew out of boards, so i don't see the hypocrisy in this.

But the mod doesn't say that at any point all they say is dont use ebay use adverts.ie that in my eyes is promoting one site that happens to linked to this one instead of another

sendit

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Quite a lot of posts have been snipped in that thread. I'd guess that the posts in question were links to auctions on E-bay.

My own brother got site-banned for doing something similar. He posted several links to his e-bay auctions last year to raise their profile. That's just spamming.

Posters trying to let others know about stuff for sale should do so on Adverts instead of putting them on e-bay and spamming the links.

I noticed that too but wasn't going to comment as i didn't know that the posts were

sendit

Hears another link where a mod gives out there email address something thats not ment to be done

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=770864

Otis Driftwood

sendit wrote: »

Hears another link where a mod gives out there email address something thats not ment to be done

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=770864

Ehhhh,thats a thread thats 8 and a half years old.Boards has changed exponentially since then.

jor el

sendit wrote: »

Hears another link where a mod gives out there email address something thats not ment to be done

From 8 years ago, before the user was a mod and before the non publishing of email addresses was widely used on the site. Well done, you're really putting your argument across in a non-troll type way now, aren't you.

The no advertising rule means people can't advertise their own products. You can recommend sites and products that you have no connection to, and in fact, I'd be willing to bet if we all trawl through your post history we'll find more than one there too.

Mods have no connection with Adverts.ie, so telling people to stop selling their own person stuff on Boards.ie, and instead to go to Adverts.ie, is perfectly acceptable. The way you're going on about it makes me believe you have some serious alter agenda in the background.

And that didn't take long to find at all. Here you are recommending a hurley manufacturer, and some pubs on Facebook. As long as you have no connection to these sites, then it's just a recommendation, not an advertisement. By your definition though, you are a spammer because you linked to something that can help the other person out.

K-9

sendit wrote: »

Yes i own ebay

I just noticed it and wanted to point it out thats all

Stop advertising sendit.

Overheal

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

Ehhhh,thats a thread thats 8 and a half years old.Boards has changed exponentially since then.

/scribbles feedforward draft on statute of limitations

Tom Dunne

I'm not really sure to begin. Bring back lolcats.

Anyway, you seem to be missing the point. Boards.ie is for discussion, simple as. Every day, we get literally hundreds upon hundreds of spam posts. Some blatant, some subtle, some utterly bizarre. It's all part of the daily slop-out.

As a general rule, there is no selling on Boards.ie. This is to ensure the site functions as it was intended - for discussion. The direction to adverts.ie, as others have pointed out, is because instead of saying "no advertising", mods can say "if you want to advertise, use adverts.ie". It is not promoting adverts.ie, it is directing people to adverts.ie. There is a difference. I see it in the same way as a mod moving a thread from one forum to another.

Regarding e-bay, you again seem to be missing the point.

A certain percentage of spam is simply people logging on to spam links to their e-bay auction. It has nothing whatsoever to do with e-bay being in competition with adverts.ie, it is purely an annoyance at 1- and 2-post wonders cluttering up the place. Again, not contributing to the discussion, only hampering it.

Does that clear it up for you?

Clareman

Thanks for the heads up guys, I'll try to remember it in the future when I'm dealing with people looking to sell stuff in the future

efb

Do a BBC clause thingy at the end like:

*other Internet marketplace sites exist

Morag

sendit look under your username.

IT says join date, location, posts and then Adverts|Friends.

Clicking on adverts brings a person to any adverts which a boards.ie user has on adverts.ie
The two sites are closely linked as Adverts.ie grew out of the for sale forum here on the site.

If a person wishes to sell stuff as a member of the boards.ie communities to member of the boards.ie communities they use the site set up for that which is adverts.ie

It is no different from telling someone to ask about cars in the motor forum or pots in the cooking forum.

K-9

I've seen mods say take it to Facebook or MSN as well, wonder what the connection is there?

Eoin

sendit wrote: »

Also another thing id like to highlight about moderation is in the The door-to-door / commission-only jobs thread
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056051270

People saying that people who work there are scumbags etc and nothing being done about it seems mods to come in when it suits them in this case

Would you mind either starting a new thread on this, or even better, reporting any particular posts in that thread that you feel something should be done about (you don't seem to have reported any so far)?

That's a pretty busy thread that we're trying to keep an eye on, and we've made numerous requests for people to use factual language in these types of threads.

Insect Overlord

Tom Dunne wrote: »

I'm not really sure to begin. Bring back lolcats.

I posted a lolcat but I eated it someone deleted it.

sendit

Eoin wrote: »

Would you mind either starting a new thread on this, or even better, reporting any particular posts in that thread that you feel something should be done about (you don't seem to have reported any so far)?

That's a pretty busy thread that we're trying to keep an eye on, and we've made numerous requests for people to use factual language in these types of threads.

I dont have time or intend to make time to go trough all the posts in the thread. Should it not be the mods job to checks the posts anyway?

sendit

jor el wrote: »

From 8 years ago, before the user was a mod and before the non publishing of email addresses was widely used on the site. Well done, you're really putting your argument across in a non-troll type way now, aren't you.

The no advertising rule means people can't advertise their own products. You can recommend sites and products that you have no connection to, and in fact, I'd be willing to bet if we all trawl through your post history we'll find more than one there too.

Mods have no connection with Adverts.ie, so telling people to stop selling their own person stuff on Boards.ie, and instead to go to Adverts.ie, is perfectly acceptable. The way you're going on about it makes me believe you have some serious alter agenda in the background.

And that didn't take long to find at all. Here you are recommending a hurley manufacturer, and some pubs on Facebook. As long as you have no connection to these sites, then it's just a recommendation, not an advertisement. By your definition though, you are a spammer because you linked to something that can help the other person out.

Yes people asked for a recommendation and i gave it. As i said the mod never recammends adverts.ie they just say dont use ebay use it insteed.

I find if very had to believe to mods on borads.ie have no connection to adverts.ie if they dont why do they not recommend other sties for people to sell there stuff on?

Insect Overlord

sendit wrote: »

Yes people asked for a recommendation and i gave it. As i said the mod never recammends adverts.ie they just say dont use ebay use it insteed.

I find if very had to believe to mods on borads.ie have no connection to adverts.ie if they dont why do they not recommend other sties for people to sell there stuff on?

R.T.F. thread. You've got the answer from 7 or 8 people already!

sendit

Look to tell you the truth this is what i expected. The moderators are never wrong (or at least they like to think so anyway). In my eyes there promoting adverts.ie. Frankly anyone to takes anything serious on this would want to get out a bit more, more over some of the moderators... Now im sure you'll use your moderators powers to ban me to get your little power fix......

Insect Overlord

sendit wrote: »

Look to tell you the truth this is what i expected. The moderators are never wrong (or at least they like to think so anyway). In my eyes there promoting adverts.ie. Frankly anyone to takes anything serious on this would want to get out a bit more, more over some of the moderators... Now im sure you'll use your moderators powers to ban me to get your little power fix......

Only the Admins who mod Feedback (LoLth and Trojan) can ban people from this forum.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised. You keep ignoring the genuine answers you've been getting. There's no ulterior motive, despite your strange protestations.

Eoin

sendit wrote: »

I dont have time or intend to make time to go trough all the posts in the thread. Should it not be the mods job to checks the posts anyway?

No, we dont check very single post there, so we often rely on people to report posts so we can take action. I'm not sure how much more I can help given your rather pissy attitude and unwillingness to gve any examples.

Steve

Mods have no powers in feedback, we're users here - same as you.

A handful of us (small handful) have links to adverts as we're also mods there. I would guess it's less than 1% of the mod population here.

The rest recommend adverts purely because of it's history here, its reputation, and the fact that its owned by the same people that own boards. Nothing more.

Zaph

sendit wrote: »

I dont have time or intend to make time to go trough all the posts in the thread. Should it not be the mods job to checks the posts anyway?

And if you don't have the time what makes you think the mods do? There are thousands of posts per day on Boards, some forums have thousands by themselves, so mods rely on people reporting posts because it's impossible for them to read every single thing that's posted.

sendit wrote: »

Yes people asked for a recommendation and i gave it. As i said the mod never recammends adverts.ie they just say dont use ebay use it insteed.

I find if very had to believe to mods on borads.ie have no connection to adverts.ie if they dont why do they not recommend other sties for people to sell there stuff on?

All mods, CMods and admins on Boards are volunteers. We get absolutely nothing for doing this job other than a sense of pride and satisfaction that we're helping the site run smoothly so that it can be enjoyed by all. The reason adverts.ie gets mentioned so often is because, as you've been told several times already, it's a sister site that grew out of Boards, and old habits die hard. I agree they could just as easily say try eBay, or DoneDeal, or whatever, would it make you any happier if they did? Or would you then give out that they're favouring Gumtree over eBay, for example? When someone is told to take it to adverts.ie, it's simply an instruction to take it elsewhere to advertise because Boards is not where they should be posting whatever it is they posted. I should also point out that in most cases it's free to advertise and sell on adverts.ie, unlike, for instance, eBay.

I hope that answers your questions fully?

sendit

Eoin wrote: »

No, we dont check very single post there, so we often rely on people to report posts so we can take action. I'm not sure how much more I can help given your rather pissy attitude and unwillingness to gve any examples.

Why are there moderators then? In the door-to-door thread there are plenty and like i said i dont plan to go trough almost 400 posts to show them

Eoin

sendit wrote: »

Eoin wrote: »

No, we dont check very single post there, so we often rely on people to report posts so we can take action. I'm not sure how much more I can help given your rather pissy attitude and unwillingness to gve any examples.

Why are there moderators then? In the door-to-door thread there are plenty and like i said i dont plan to go trough almost 400 posts to show them

To act on the reports we get from the members who take an interest in the forum rather than just piss and moan here.

We can't read very single post here, that's just silly.

sendit

Steve wrote: »

Mods have no powers in feedback, we're users here - same as you.

A handful of us (small handful) have links to adverts as we're also mods there. I would guess it's less than 1% of the mod population here.

The rest recommend adverts purely because of it's history here, its reputation, and the fact that its owned by the same people that own boards. Nothing more.

In another post someones says mods have no connection to adverts.ie but you say they do.

jor el ''Mods have no connection with Adverts.ie''

sendit

Zaph wrote: »

And if you don't have the time what makes you think the mods do? There are thousands of posts per day on Boards, some forums have thousands by themselves, so mods rely on people reporting posts because it's impossible for them to read every single thing that's posted.



All mods, CMods and admins on Boards are volunteers. We get absolutely nothing for doing this job other than a sense of pride and satisfaction that we're helping the site run smoothly so that it can be enjoyed by all. The reason adverts.ie gets mentioned so often is because, as you've been told several times already, it's a sister site that grew out of Boards, and old habits die hard. I agree they could just as easily say try eBay, or DoneDeal, or whatever, would it make you any happier if they did? Or would you then give out that they're favouring Gumtree over eBay, for example? When someone is told to take it to adverts.ie, it's simply an instruction to take it elsewhere to advertise because Boards is not where they should be posting whatever it is they posted. I should also point out that in most cases it's free to advertise and sell on adverts.ie, unlike, for instance, eBay.

I hope that answers your questions fully?

This for example so isn't promoting adverts.ie is it?

Zaph

sendit wrote: »

This for example so isn't promoting adverts.ie is it?

Relentless, aren't you? I was merely pointing out that adverts.ie makes no money from most people who sell there, so there's no financial gain to be made from suggesting that someone posts there, and most definitely not to the mod.

sendit

Ill show an example of one that was easy to find.

Oranage2 ''Anyway that was a trick question as door to door people dont pay basic, its all commision.''

''I've heard door to door companies offering basic but i never actually heard of somebody getting it.''

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056336115

Steve

sendit wrote: »

In another post someones says mods have no connection to adverts.ie but you say they do.

jor el ''Mods have no connection with Adverts.ie''

I said some of us do.

Insect Overlord

Is that SOTS back again..?

sendit

Zaph wrote: »

Relentless, aren't you? I was merely pointing out that adverts.ie makes no money from most people who sell there, so there's no financial gain to be made from suggesting that someone posts there, and most definitely not to the mod.

Yes you pointed it out but you also said that someone would have to pay to use ebay. It may make no money off most people but still makes money off people so then maybe a finacial gain by suggesting insteed of ebay or an other site

sendit

Steve wrote: »

I said some of us do.

Yes but that person said none of ye do

Steve

sendit wrote: »

Yes but that person said none of ye do

So, who do you believe?

sendit

Steve wrote: »

So, who do you believe?

I dont know really. Its funny how uptight mods get when someone says something they dont like about there precious boards.ie i mean it is the word of god after all......