Nanny state, might as well bring back the holy hour

Rabidlamb

We put up with some crap from legislators which is intruding on our free will.
If I feel like a bottle of wine at 11pm my local garage will serve me cause they know me.
My local throws out the ashtrays after closing cause most of the late gang smoke.
I'm forced to attend a house party every Good Friday cause the state takes the side of some god botherer's belief.

When will the government learn all this fringe nonsense is unenforceable & just an annoyance to peoples common sense.
If you initiate silly laws people lose respect for the system & it undermines the credibility of justifiable legislation.
Politicians need to think before they try to cater for every nanny state whim proposed by Mothers United Against Fun.

smash

When will you learn to hit the off license before 10pm or smoke in a smoking area?

orourkeda

Stock up when the off licence is open. Is that so difficult.

Caraville

I wanted a bag of monster munch at 2am the other morning but the shop was closed. So I got over it and told myself next time the shop was open I'd stock up and not blame the government.

landsleaving

Your local should have more respect for it's staff. The law is there for them.

Tabnabs

Instead of crying on hear, write to your local TDs and make you opposition known.

Chips Lovell

If you don't like these legislators, stop voting for them.

stevenmu

Caraville wrote: »

I wanted a bag of monster munch at 2am the other morning but the shop was closed. So I got over it and told myself next time the shop was open I'd stock up and not blame the government.

The difference there is that that was the shops choice, the government didn't threaten to fine and/or close them down if they sold monster munch at 2am.

orourkeda

Tabnabs wrote: »

Instead of crying on hear, write to your local TDs and make you opposition known.

You dont seriously expect someone to get up off their arse and do something about a law they are not happy with do you?

landsleaving

Rabidlamb wrote: »

When will the government

realise, it's got to be funky sexy ladies.

o1s1n

stevenmu wrote: »

The difference there is that that was the shops choice, the government didn't threaten to fine and/or close them down if they sold monster munch at 2am.

We should probably have that changed. Monster Munch addicts are a danger to society.

Think of the children.

c_man

The licence laws are a joke. The restriction in offy times was brought in purely to appease the large Vintners lobby in FF yet was accepted by the public as a 'health measure' and would 'reduce consumption'. Once something stupid like that has been in place for a while, people say "stock up/quit moaning."

The original excuse put to the masses is forgotten about, the antithesis to it becomes the accepted defence and the publicans are still laughing.

orourkeda

c_man wrote: »

The licence laws are a joke. The restriction in offy times was brought in purely to appease the large Vintners lobby in FF yet was accepted by the public as a 'health measure' and would 'reduce consumption'. Once something stupid like that has been in place for a while, people say "stock up/quit moaning."

The original excuse put to the masses is forgotten about, the antithesis to it becomes the accepted defence and the publicans are still laughing.

All it proves is that the irish are a nation of spunkers whose whole culture revolves around booze.

landsleaving

o1s1n wrote: »

We should probably have that changed. Monster Munch addicts are a danger to society.

Think of the children.

F*ck the children!









Wait...

Caraville

stevenmu wrote: »

The difference there is that that was the shops choice, the government didn't threaten to fine and/or close them down if they sold monster munch at 2am.

True enough, but in fairness it's not like there's only a 2-hour window for people to buy booze in an off-licence. They're open from 10.30am to 10pm as far as I know (open at 12.30 I think on a Sunday) which is a good length of time to go shopping. I'd probably say they should be open to 11pm but I don't really see the need for them to be open later than that.

prinz

Rabidlamb wrote: »

My local throws out the ashtrays after closing cause most of the late gang smoke..

The smoking ban was one of the best things an Irish government ever did. Nanny state my arse.

orourkeda

What would be reasonable opening hours for those who are against this law?

Rabidlamb

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Politicians need to think before they try to cater for every nanny state whim proposed by Mothers United Against Fun.

you mean you don't like MUAF?

Even if it's MILF MUAF?

Caraville

o1s1n wrote: »

We should probably have that changed. Monster Munch addicts are a danger to society.

Think of the children.

Depending on how hungover I am, I may actually step over a child in need for a bag of Monster Munch. Or Mighty Munch actually really, cos they changed the name. Although I'm still angry that they're not as nice as they used to be :mad::(:mad:

Rabidlamb

The best one is the reduction in mg of the blood alcohol limit.
Now it's 80 mg, stirling work, I see your 80 & propose 50, jolly good, wait we need more good press, I see your 50 & say we go for 40.
Worst fannying about since stag hunting took up Dail time around the time of the bank crisis.
Speaking of stag/fox/roadkill hunting, "sure we'll observe those new restrictions, we'll just hug our furry friends when we're 5 miles away across 14 fields, absolutely".
More time wasted on legislating the unpoliceable.

DWCommuter

The smoking ban and licensing laws are two different issues. As a smoker, I respect them. However the licensing laws are prehistoric and the result of Religion and muddled legislators. Good Friday closing should be scrapped. It is based purely and simply on religious beliefs that no modern state has the right to force on anyone. Pub/off license opening hours appear to be based on a nanny state mentality. Pulling off license opening hours back to 10pm was meant to be on the basis of limiting potential underage drinking and anti social behaviour. That's crap. The reality is that the pub trade lobbied hard for it in an attempt to cash in on spontaneous post 10pm drinkers. The pub trade also lobbied hard for the scrapping of 12.30am closing on Thursday nights. The official reason was that we were all showing up late for work on Friday, when in actual fact publicans didn't want to pay staff for a period that wasn't particularly busy.

Result = Pubs still empty and those who decide on buying an impromptu beer or wine post 10pm, can't. I don't care too much what the state wants to do with pub opening hours, but alcohol should be available 24/7 in shops that are open.

I still think that *one* day in the entire year that you can't buy drink on is a good idea. Doersn't have to be Good Friday, but it'd be a day of solidarity events with those whose lives are destroyed by alcohol. And a day of house parties for those who don't give a feck.

Rabidlamb

DWCommuter wrote: »

Good Friday closing should be scrapped. It is based purely and simply on religious beliefs that no modern state has the right to force on anyone.

Maybe Kenny in his drive against the Papal Nonce-io & the Vatican might repeal this law just to get up their noses a bit more.

orourkeda

Is there any evidence to show how extension of opening hours would affect consumption ?

Logical Fallacy

lol, two days out of 365 that people can't go to the pub and the amount of moaning done about it is unreal.

"I'm forced to go to a house party every Good Friday because i can't go one day without a beer".

Bless.

smokedeels

I have a problem with any law designed to protect people from themselves, you can rationalise some of them but the underlining point is you’re not free and government is running your life.

AhSureTisGrand

Deleted User wrote: »

I still think that *one* day in the entire year that you can't buy drink on is a good idea. Doersn't have to be Good Friday, but it'd be a day of solidarity events with those whose lives are destroyed by alcohol.

Then don't drink that day if you care so much

DWCommuter

Deleted User wrote: »

I still think that *one* day in the entire year that you can't buy drink on is a good idea. Doersn't have to be Good Friday, but it'd be a day of solidarity events with those whose lives are destroyed by alcohol. And a day of house parties for those who don't give a feck.

A good idea. Let them have Christmas Day as it comes after/during a period where money is spent ad nauseum in the economy. Good Friday costs the state a fortune.

o1s1n

orourkeda wrote: »

What would be reasonable opening hours for those who are against this law?

The same as pubs. If I can buy drink in a bar I should be able to in a shop. The only distinction I see is that one makes publicans lots of money, the other doesn't.

Caraville wrote: »

Depending on how hungover I am, I may actually step over a child in need for a bag of Monster Munch. Or Mighty Munch actually really, cos they changed the name. Although I'm still angry that they're not as nice as they used to be :mad::(:mad:

The Monster Munch name died in Ireland when Walkers bought it. It all became about Mighty Munch at that point

smokedeels

Deleted User wrote: »

I still think that *one* day in the entire year that you can't buy drink on is a good idea. Doersn't have to be Good Friday, but it'd be a day of solidarity events with those whose lives are destroyed by alcohol. And a day of house parties for those who don't give a feck.

My life has been enhanced by alcohol, where's my parade?

orourkeda

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Maybe Kenny in his drive against the Papal Nonce-io & the Vatican might repeal this law just to get up their noses a bit more.

It's a reasonable suggestion. In a modern society it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify this kind of imposition.

However, if the good Friday closing rule were to be repealed, dont we also have to repeal the closure of pubs on christmas day?

orourkeda

o1s1n wrote: »

The same as pubs. If I can buy drink in a bar I should be able to in a shop. The only distinction I see is that one makes publicans lots of money, the other doesn't.



The Monster Munch name died in Ireland when Walkers bought it. It all became about Mighty Munch at that point

Wouldnt publicans make even more money if they could sell "take out" booze

orourkeda

DWCommuter wrote: »

A good idea. Let them have Christmas Day as it comes after/during a period where money is spent ad nauseum in the economy. Good Friday costs the state a fortune.

Why make the distinction?

Rabidlamb

orourkeda wrote: »

Wouldnt publicans make even more money if they could sell "take out" booze

Something to do with On licence against Off licence.
Although, most pubs I know sell tinnies under the counter.

PseudoFamous

Rabidlamb wrote: »

The best one is the reduction in mg of the blood alcohol limit.
Now it's 80 mg, stirling work, I see your 80 & propose 50, jolly good, wait we need more good press, I see your 50 & say we go for 40.

Well, we now have some of the safest roads in the EU, despite having many low-quality roads, so clearly the reduction in alcohol/Blood limit was an excellent idea. Of course, if you enjoy causing car crashes, I recommend you feck off somewhere a bit less lawful.

o1s1n

orourkeda wrote: »

Wouldnt publicans make even more money if they could sell "take out" booze

The money they would be making in take out could be lost in sales which would happen on premises.

If you were a publican would you rather people buying beer for cheap and taking it home or staying in your bar spending €4-5 a pop for a pint?

Rabidlamb

orourkeda wrote: »

It's a reasonable suggestion. In a modern society it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify this kind of imposition.

However, if the good Friday closing rule were to be repealed, dont we also have to repeal the closure of pubs on christmas day?

Christmas day closing is fair enough so that staff can be with their families.

Sky King

My local offie is fully stocked and serves until 12.30PM, thank FK.

Occasionally if I am working late I fancy buying one or two cans on my way home to have in front of a movie. I don't see why this should be illegal.

I also don't see why I should have to 'stock up' a cache of different beers in my house on the off chance I want to drink one of them after 10PM.

It's completely and utterly spasticated.

smokedeels

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Christmas day closing is fair enough so that staff can be with their families.

Not everyone celebrates Christmas, I've worked it before (the money was great)

You'd find the staff and the customers.

Few people abstain from drinking on these days so I don't understand the need to close licenced premises.

orourkeda

o1s1n wrote: »

The money they would be making in take out could be lost in sales which would happen on premises.

If you were a publican would you rather people buying beer for cheap and taking it home or staying in your bar spending €4-5 a pop for a pint?

Its difficult to know how it would work for sure.

landsleaving

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Christmas day closing is fair enough so that staff can be with their families.

But if they're not religious, why would they want to be with their families? And if they are religious, they'd want good friday off.

PseudoFamous

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Christmas day closing is fair enough so that staff can be with their families.

Christmas is a Catholic holiday. The idea is that if you respect Christmas as a Catholic holiday, you must respect the rest as a bundle. If you don't want Good Friday, you can't have Christmas.

EDIT: Actually, I'm starting to suspect you're a troll.

DWCommuter

orourkeda wrote: »

Why make the distinction?

I didn't really. I was just being cooperative.

If I had my way, I'd allow opening all year round.

Sticky_Fingers

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Well, we now have some of the safest roads in the EU, despite having many low-quality roads, so clearly the reduction in alcohol/Blood limit was an excellent idea. Of course, if you enjoy causing car crashes, I recommend you feck off somewhere a bit less lawful.

Correlation does not equal causation.

PseudoFamous

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Correlation does not equal causation.

Not entirely, but there are far fewer accidents since eliminating using a mobile phone while driving and lowering the blood/alcohol limit, as well as increasing the number of motorways. The alcohol point has lowered it by a fair bit on it's own though, especially on back roads.

orourkeda

DWCommuter wrote: »

I didn't really. I was just being cooperative.

If I had my way, I'd allow opening all year round.

Scoops all round

ScumLord

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Well, we now have some of the safest roads in the EU, despite having many low-quality roads, so clearly the reduction in alcohol/Blood limit was an excellent idea. Of course, if you enjoy causing car crashes, I recommend you feck off somewhere a bit less lawful.

I find that very hard to believe, I'm sure the new motorways make a statistical difference but many roads in Ireland haven't changed and with the CC's unrivalled skill at being able to bring every bump and pothole through onto any new surface they lay I don't know how Ireland could be in the top ten.

The only reason the UK is so safe is because their motorways are heavily policed you are always being watched.

bastados

The Governments fruity dont ya know

PseudoFamous

ScumLord wrote: »

I find that very hard to believe, I'm sure the new motorways make a statistical difference but many roads in Ireland haven't changed and with the CC's unrivalled skill at being able to bring every bump and pothole through onto any new surface they lay I don't know how Ireland could be in the top ten.

We're the sixth safest, actually.
http://www.rsa.ie/Utility/News/20111/EU-Report-Confirms-Ireland-6th-Safest-Country-in-Europe/
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/irish-roads-sixth-safest-in-eu-16014397.html

pragmatic1

I agree with the smoking laws but should be able to buy alcohol whenever you want.

ScumLord

PseudoFamous wrote: »

We're the sixth safest, actually.
http://www.rsa.ie/Utility/News/20111/EU-Report-Confirms-Ireland-6th-Safest-Country-in-Europe/
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/irish-roads-sixth-safest-in-eu-16014397.html

I just don't see how less people dying automatically means our roads are safer, I think that's a big leap to make. I haven't seen that many changes that could be seen as making Irish roads safer. Other than the motorways Irish roads are no safer than they've ever been.