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RTE Radio 1 on 252!

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    #212
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,226 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    AwaitYourReply wrote: »
    I imagine he is probably with either Freesat or Freeview so; I'm not sure if they provide RTÉ Radio One to their tuning into their services.

    Radio 1, 2FM, Lyric and RnaG are in the Freesat EPG.
    Newstalk can be tuned in manually on a Freesat box.
    All of the above can be tuned in manually on a Sky box or FTA satellite box.
    AFAIK, RTE Radio 1 Extra isn't on satellite at all any more.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #213
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    What is the point of RTE having all these dormant AM sites ? Could they not be advertised to see would anybody want to use them ?


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    #214
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    What is the point of RTE having all these dormant AM sites ? Could they not be advertised to see would anybody want to use them ?

    Do you mean advertise the actual sites or the transmission facilities?
    I can't imagine anyone would want an AM transmitter, what would they do with it?


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    #215
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Karsini wrote: »
    I don't know if they still have it, but they did have such a service up to recently, except that it was an international number. Would have been ridiculously expensive to use.
    Yup, it was a local number in Brussels, so outside of there it'd have been dear to ring.

    But that's the thing about this new service compared to the brussels based service, they have local numbers in many countries so say you're in the USA, you might have unlimited minutes (but not data) so sitting in the car you just ring the relevant US number for free.

    Same in Germany or uk. Many mobile packages have heaps of free minutes but data is unreliable and gets used up awful quick.

    I can see me using it fairly regularly when in the car to listen to premier league games on talksport and it'd be the same for rte when there's sporting events on of they were to sign up.


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    #216
    twinklerunner
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    former legend wrote: »
    Do you mean advertise the actual sites or the transmission facilities?
    I can't imagine anyone would want an AM transmitter, what would they do with it?

    Would Newstalk be interested in 252LW? Their FM network isn't fully national.
    Also, for months now the sound quality on satellite (Sky 0210) has been awful, which begs the question .. does anyone actually listen to them on satellite? They might be better off on LW.


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    #217
    Cork_chick_94
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    former legend wrote: »
    Do you mean advertise the actual sites or the transmission facilities?
    I can't imagine anyone would want an AM transmitter, what would they do with it?

    A few temporary stations have used mw in recent years in dublin.


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    #218
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    twinklerunner wrote: »
    Would Newstalk be interested in 252LW?

    No. If an irish station wanted to do AM then one of the dormant national MW channels would be a better option because almost everyone would have a Medium wave radio.


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    #219
    L1011
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    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    A few temporary stations have used mw in recent years in dublin.

    Mainly to appeal to other radio-heads.

    The anorak market is VERY small.


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    #220
    Infoanon
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    former legend wrote: »
    Do you mean advertise the actual sites or the transmission facilities?
    I can't imagine anyone would want an AM transmitter, what would they do with it?

    An offer was made to RTE re the use of 567AM but it was declined by RTE.


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    #221
    twinklerunner
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    No. If an irish station wanted to do AM then one of the dormant national MW channels would be a better option because almost everyone would have a Medium wave radio.

    Newstalk are fond of sponsorship, so they could have any MW/LW transmission sponsored. I can hear it now .. 'We're also on 252/567, with thanks to ...'


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    #222
    former legend
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    Infoanon wrote: »
    An offer was made to RTE re the use of 567AM but it was declined by RTE.

    By whom? Hadn't heard about that.

    Anyone buying MW or LW transmission facilities would need it to be profitable and that just isn't possible any more, it's dead technology.


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    #223
    L1011
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    twinklerunner wrote: »
    Newstalk are fond of sponsorship, so they could have any MW/LW transmission sponsored. I can hear it now .. 'We're also on 252/567, with thanks to ...'

    I suspect that might fall foul of BAI rules on what can be sponsored, as it'd imply the entire content was and current affairs can't be.


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    #224
    Kensington
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    twinklerunner wrote: »
    Would Newstalk be interested in 252LW? Their FM network isn't fully national.
    Also, for months now the sound quality on satellite (Sky 0210) has been awful, which begs the question .. does anyone actually listen to them on satellite? They might be better off on LW.

    While I'm sure newstalk would love to take over the LW252 slot, potentially gaining any ex-RTÉ R1 LW listeners, they're not exactly swimming in cash themselves and AM transmitters are not light on the power consumption!


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    #225
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/rte-underestimates-need-longwave-british-radio-service


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    #226
    Rock Solid
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Rock Solid


    It costs €15,000 a day to run 252LW, If you go to YouTube theres a Rte / Atlantic 252 video about the site and transmission gear, yes it would be great if Newstalk took over 252 at least there would be an Irish media outlet.


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    #227
    Rock Solid
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Rock Solid


    It costs €15,000 a day to run 252LW, If you go to YouTube theres a Rte / Atlantic 252 video about the site and transmission gear, yes it would be great if Newstalk took over 252 at least there would be an Irish media outlet.


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    #228
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Nobody who actually has a radio with LW is going to switch band to listen to Newstalk. They had to mount a big advertising campaign just to get a fraction of Pat Kenny's listeners to 'move the (FM) dial' up a bit.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #229
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    A few temporary stations have used mw in recent years in dublin.

    300kW LW transmitter isn't really up their alley though.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #230
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,854 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/rte-underestimates-need-longwave-british-radio-service
    amusing/ bemusing reading the comments to see how many think they can buy a DAB radio and get RTE R1 in Scotland or England with it.


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    #231
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    It seems to be on lower power right now


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    #232
    SimonMaher
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    Rock Solid wrote: »
    It costs €15,000 a day to run 252LW, If you go to YouTube theres a Rte / Atlantic 252 video about the site and transmission gear, yes it would be great if Newstalk took over 252 at least there would be an Irish media outlet.

    €15,000 per day for 252? It's expensive to run a 300kw LW transmitter but it definitely doesn't cost 5.5 million quid per year! Total cost is just below a million euro a year which would work out at about €2,500 a day running full power.

    Still quite expensive for what it is of course but just to make sure we have our sums right!

    Simon


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    #233
    Hotblack Desiato
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    amusing/ bemusing reading the comments to see how many think they can buy a DAB radio and get RTE R1 in Scotland or England with it.

    Sad, actually, if an older person wastes their money on a DAB radio thinking it will let them get Radio 1 in the UK. RTE are to blame by saying that shutting off LW is part of their digital changeover, it's not, there is no equivalent replacement digital service.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #234
    Rock Solid
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Rock Solid


    Perhaps your right regarding the cost of running 252, the programme I watched was including the insurance and staff required to run 252LW, even in parts of Dublin it's difficult to get a good Dab Signal, I have to listen on Fm for Rte services, breaking up on Dab in Tallaght never mind the UK! RTÉ demand licence money but can't provide a national service on any digital platform!


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    #235
    Rock Solid
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Rock Solid


    Perhaps your right regarding the cost of running 252, the programme I watched was including the insurance and staff required to run 252LW, even in parts of Dublin it's difficult to get a good Dab Signal, I have to listen on Fm for Rte services, breaking up on Dab in Tallaght never mind the UK! RTÉ demand licence money but can't provide a national service on any digital platform!


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    #236
    [Deleted User]
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    In the Atlantic days it would have been significantly more expensive to run as there were two 300kW rigs (restricted to 250 each) that were a lot more inefficient than what is currently there.


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    #237
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    Do you think they will do a special program to mark the closedown as its a bank holiday monday ?


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    #238
    former legend
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Sad, actually, if an older person wastes their money on a DAB radio thinking it will let them get Radio 1 in the UK. RTE are to blame by saying that shutting off LW is part of their digital changeover, it's not, there is no equivalent replacement digital service.

    Ah how are RTE to blame for that??

    As for DAB, it will never take off. Every additional euro RTE put into it is money down the drain.


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    #239
    Cork_chick_94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Cork_chick_94


    former legend wrote: »
    Ah how are RTE to blame for that

    Have you not heard the message that goes out on lw 252 every couple of hours ? it says please retune to FM by october 27, If FM is not available, RTE R1 is on Dab digital radio, digital television and online.


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    #240
    former legend
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    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    Have you not heard the message that goes out on lw 252 every couple of hours ? it says please retune to FM by october 27, If FM is not available, RTE R1 is on Dab digital radio, digital television and online.

    Yeah I've heard it alright. If they extended it to explain what DAB is and how and where it can be received, how many people would either understand or bother listening?


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    #241
    SPDUB
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    former legend wrote: »
    Yeah I've heard it alright. If they extended it to explain what DAB is and how and where it can be received, how many people would either understand or bother listening?

    They don't need to explain DAB all they need to add is the words "in Ireland" to the mention of DAB and DTT


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