Crufts Breeder UK, Shameful.. Disgusting.

kennyw · 22-07-2011 8:33am #1

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017312/Crufts-breeder-Rachel-Mortimore-banned-keeping-animals-life.html

I dont need to say any more.. If you look at the link, you will understand.

And this person is meant to be a champion breeder and trainner..

The poor animals.

**Vai** · 22-07-2011 2:30pm

You just never know with some of these people who show dogs. Even after all the Crufts scandal in the past, people are still getting away with this kind of thing as well as inbreeding to the point of stupidity for looks.

teacherspet · 22-07-2011 2:36pm

Shameful.

getz · 22-07-2011 2:41pm

**Vai** wrote: »

You just never know with some of these people who show dogs. Even after all the Crufts scandal in the past, people are still getting away with this kind of thing as well as inbreeding to the point of stupidity for looks.

show dog breeders are a disgrace,and there is a ugly rumour going round that a number of the none showing public are not looking after their animals

**Vai** · 22-07-2011 2:44pm

getz wrote: »

show dog breeders are a disgrace,and there is a ugly rumour going round that a number of the none showing public are not looking after their animals

To be fair, not all of them can be put in the same boat as this woman. Its not a part of the dog world I would ever be interested in but there are good people involved as well as bad.

Zapperzy · 22-07-2011 2:49pm

Absolutely disgusting and she got everything she deserved (well in my opinion not enough, shame no jail time was handed down).
Not trying to defend this woman but I think it's just another case of animal hoarding and not being able to say no and thinking they are rescueing animals. Very unfair to tar all show dog owners with the same brush, there's a comment on the bottom ''Doesn't surprise me at all. That's the showing world...'' and it's actually getting thumbs up! :eek:

getz · 22-07-2011 2:53pm

**Vai** wrote: »

To be fair, not all of them can be put in the same boat as this woman. Its not a part of the dog world I would ever be interested in but there are good people involved as well as bad.

90% of the dog breeds would not be around to-day if it was not for the show breeders,

seamus · 22-07-2011 2:53pm

Zapperzy wrote: »

Not trying to defend this woman but I think it's just another case of animal hoarding and not being able to say no and thinking they are rescueing animals.

There's something more callous in this IMO. In order to get the dogs to show condition, never mind win prizes, she would have had them professionally cleaned and groomed and would have had to do specific work to repair or hide any evidence of their condition.

This would indicate to me that she was perfectly aware that the dogs were in poor condition but was only interested in the show rather than the animals.

Hoarders are often unaware that their animals are in poor condition. This woman would have known full well.

90% of the dog breeds would not be around to-day if it was not for the show breeders

That would actually not be a bad thing for the sake of the species.

**Vai** · 22-07-2011 2:57pm

getz wrote: »

90% of the dog breeds would not be around to-day if it was not for the show breeders,

I'd like proof of that but fair enough, I wont disagree. I just said its not a part I would ever be interested in personally. I dont care if its a purebred or not, its still a dog.

andreac · 22-07-2011 3:08pm

Sorry Getz, but please get your facts right regarding show breeders/owners:mad:

I am one of those people (i show and might breed some day) and my dogs are very well cared for and are my life and mean the world to me.

This woman obviously has serious problems going on that she left her animals in such a state, a disgrace is right and she deserves to be locked up, but you cannot tar everyone who shows/breeds dogs with the same brush.

Animal cruelty goes on everywhere, not just in the show industry. This woman is thankfully in the very small minority.

To show a dog it has to be in its peak condition and fitness, fed very well, well groomed and taken care of and so on. My dogs are fed and very looked after, live inside the house with me and come to work with me everyday.

So please refrain from insulting me and my friends who are involved in showing and breeding our dogs as we are NOTHING like this woman!!!

chris139ryan · 22-07-2011 3:10pm

thats disgraceful

getz · 22-07-2011 3:13pm

**Vai** wrote: »

I'd like proof of that but fair enough, I wont disagree. I just said its not a part I would ever be interested in personally. I dont care if its a purebred or not, its still a dog.

the only dog breeds that would have been around today would have been the sporting or working dogs,

Saaron · 22-07-2011 3:19pm

andreac wrote: »

Sorry Getz, but please get your facts right regarding show breeders/owners:mad:

I am one of those people (i show and might breed some day) and my dogs are very well cared for and are my life and mean the world to me.

This woman obviously has serious problems going on that she left her animals in such a state, a disgrace is right and she deserves to be locked up, but you cannot tar everyone who shows/breeds dogs with the same brush.

Animal cruelty goes on everywhere, not just in the show industry. This woman is thankfully in the very small minority.

To show a dog it has to be in its peak condition and fitness, fed very well, well groomed and taken care of and so on. My dogs are fed and very looked after, live inside the house with me and come to work with me everyday.

So please refrain from insulting me and my friends who are involved in showing and breeding our dogs as we are NOTHING like this woman!!!

I agree, not everyone in the show worlds treats their animals badly.
My Aunt also shows dogs, but their health and happiness comes first no matter what. They're pretty much her life as well, I doubt she cares for herself as much as she cares for her dogs. They're spoilt :P

There are many others like her who come to socialise, have some fun and show their dogs but they most definitely don't treat them badly.
This isn't to say that you don't hear stories about the people who DO mis-treat their dogs. It happens in the show world, but I've also seen it first hand with farmers who kick their dogs and keep them tied up in sheds.

andreac · 22-07-2011 3:22pm

getz wrote: »

the only dog breeds that would have been around today would have been the sporting or working dogs,

That is not true at all. Many non working/sporting breeds were around long before showing dogs came about.

Ooops, not reading posts correctly...

**Vai** · 22-07-2011 3:29pm

andreac wrote: »

That is not true at all. Many non working/sporting breeds were around long before showing dogs came about.

What proof have you got to back up all these ridiculous statements you are making?

Im just trying to imagine Crufts 40,000 years ago

getz · 22-07-2011 3:31pm

andreac wrote: »

Sorry Getz, but please get your facts right regarding show breeders/owners:mad:

I am one of those people (i show and might breed some day) and my dogs are very well cared for and are my life and mean the world to me.

This woman obviously has serious problems going on that she left her animals in such a state, a disgrace is right and she deserves to be locked up, but you cannot tar everyone who shows/breeds dogs with the same brush.

Animal cruelty goes on everywhere, not just in the show industry. This woman is thankfully in the very small minority.

To show a dog it has to be in its peak condition and fitness, fed very well, well groomed and taken care of and so on. My dogs are fed and very looked after, live inside the house with me and come to work with me everyday.

So please refrain from insulting me and my friends who are involved in showing and breeding our dogs as we are NOTHING like this woman!!!

read it again it was tongue in cheek ,i was showing dogs 30 years ago,and i was very successful with a staffy [ch alpaka red hot rod],one big tip if you do decide to show your dog,you must first take them to the breeds show puppy classes,not only will it train your dog to show itself at its best,but you will be meeting breeders who are show judges,there is a lot of ;who you know ;in the show ring

ISDW · 22-07-2011 3:35pm

getz wrote: »

read it again it was tongue in cheek ,i was showing dogs 30 years ago,and i was very successful with a staffy [ch alpaka red hot rod],one big tip if you do decide to show your dog,you must first take them to the breeds show puppy classes,not only will it train your dog to show itself at its best,but you will be meeting breeders who are show judges,there is a lot of ;who you know ;in the show ring

When I read it I did think you were being sarcastic:p

Andrea already shows, her male is a champion.

On this story though, I'm not defending the woman at all, but where the hell were the RSPCA when people were dumping animals on her? Why were they not there helping? My cynical head says its easier for them to prosecute this one woman and get good press out of it than go after tougher cases, the big time puppy farmers, or indeed to have stepped in earlier in her case and help the animals.

I think if she'd just had her own dogs - the show dogs, she could probably have coped, its the others that she took on to help - misguidedly I know, but it is hard to say no when someone says an animal is going to be killed if you don't help - that I think ensured this happened.

getz · 22-07-2011 3:35pm

andreac wrote: »

That is not true at all. Many non working/sporting breeds were around long before showing dogs came about.

What proof have you got to back up all these ridiculous statements you are making?

thats what i said, are you and me speaking in a different language

DBB · 22-07-2011 3:37pm

getz wrote: »

the only dog breeds that would have been around today would have been the sporting or working dogs,

So that's the hounds, the gundogs, the terriers, the utility group, the working group. Which is almost every dog in existence.
The only group of dogs you've left out are the Toy group, which infact contains some fo the oldest breeds in existence.
So, to conclude, the only dog breeds that would have been around today would have been... all of them!:D

ISDW · 22-07-2011 3:37pm

Deleted it cos I'm getting confused about who's saying what now.

**Vai** · 22-07-2011 3:40pm

ISDW wrote: »

Deleted it cos I'm getting confused about who's saying what now.

I dont think you're the only one!

carwash_2006 · 22-07-2011 3:41pm

getz wrote: »

90% of the dog breeds would not be around to-day if it was not for the show breeders,

That is a very unimaginative and throwaway statement to make! There are not that many breeds that haven't been around in some shape or form for over 100 years and mostly more than that. In victorian times and throughout history dogs were developed not just for hunting and herding, but also as pets and lapdogs. The aristocracy have been painted with dogs on their laps for hundreds of years.

Also a large number of dogs that are the most popular pets were developed for different types of hunting, herding and general protection.

Yes a lot of these breeds have in more recent years been interfered with by breeders who were interested purely in how the dogs looked and had little interest in their fundamental health and well being and this has done an immense amount of damage to a number of breeds. But just because there are selfish people out there, who by the way would probably have found other ways to exploit and ultimately misuse animals, does not mean that a whole sector of society should be tarnished with the same brush.

We should all be aware and on the lookout for animal cruelty in all sectors of society, even in the animal rescue world there are people who exploit and misuse animals, does this mean all rescuers should be considered evil?

andreac · 22-07-2011 3:41pm

getz wrote: »

thats what i said, are you and me speaking in a different language

Ooopps im so sorry Getz, i just re read it all again and i swear i must have been blind...:o

I just get a bit defensive about my dogs and the fact that i show them and i hate when people compare me with these horrible people.

Ive been to Crufts, my male rottie is qualified for life and i will show him again next year at it. Im proud of my dogs and what i have achieved with them both.

carwash_2006 · 22-07-2011 3:43pm

getz wrote: »

show dog breeders are a disgrace,and there is a ugly rumour going round that a number of the none showing public are not looking after their animals

Take no offence from my above post getz, I have just realised that I shouldn't have been aiming it at you

getz · 22-07-2011 3:46pm

ISDW wrote: »

When I read it I did think you were being sarcastic:p

Andrea already shows, her male is a champion.

On this story though, I'm not defending the woman at all, but where the hell were the RSPCA when people were dumping animals on her? Why were they not there helping? My cynical head says its easier for them to prosecute this one woman and get good press out of it than go after tougher cases, the big time puppy farmers, or indeed to have stepped in earlier in her case and help the animals.

I think if she'd just had her own dogs - the show dogs, she could probably have coped, its the others that she took on to help - misguidedly I know, but it is hard to say no when someone says an animal is going to be killed if you don't help - that I think ensured this happened.

the part i cannot understand is if she is a show breeder she would have had to take them to the vets for their shots,and any show of neglect would have been reported,

DBB · 22-07-2011 3:46pm

ISDW wrote: »

On this story though, I'm not defending the woman at all, but where the hell were the RSPCA when people were dumping animals on her? Why were they not there helping? My cynical head says its easier for them to prosecute this one woman and get good press out of it than go after tougher cases, the big time puppy farmers, or indeed to have stepped in earlier in her case and help the animals.

To some extent I can agree with this ISDW. We have had a recent case here in Ireland where a lady has been banned form keeping dogs, as she too was taking in rescue dogs and was not able to say no. She simply wasn't able to manage and the dogs ended up in horrendous condition.
This business of hoarding, or hyper-rescuing (have I just made up a new term?:D), could possibly be a symptom of a psychological problem in such people.
For this reason, there's a part of me that wonders that these people have been let down in a way, that there aren't social supports for such people to prevent them having to resort to hoarding to satisfy whatever yearnings they have. I'm not justifying what these ladies did AT ALL, and I'm not sure I'm expressing what I'm trying to say here, but I suppose I wonder if these people are more to be pitied than harangued?
Like you say ISDW, there are many other, perhaps more deliberate acts of cruelty going on, and whilst I do believe that people such as this breeder should be punished for the suffering she's caused... but why do we rarely see puppy farmers held up in such a sensationalist manner? She is perhaps an easy target.

Zapperzy · 22-07-2011 3:49pm

seamus wrote: »

There's something more callous in this IMO. In order to get the dogs to show condition, never mind win prizes, she would have had them professionally cleaned and groomed and would have had to do specific work to repair or hide any evidence of their condition.

This would indicate to me that she was perfectly aware that the dogs were in poor condition but was only interested in the show rather than the animals.

Hoarders are often unaware that their animals are in poor condition. This woman would have known full well.

Good point. Wonder when it actually all started going downhill? They say she was first investigated in November and that she won prizes at crufts last year (presumably that was last March and not the March just gone by) so that was 16 months ago she was last at crufts and 8 months later she was investigated.

Her website is still active. At first glance she actually looks like a puppy farmer, she seems to also breed yorkies, jack russells, labradors, papilions and phalenes. There is a lot of talk of money as regards the breeding side of things. And as well as breeding she also seems to do boarding (for up on 80 dogs and no talk of any other staff employed :eek:), training, residential training as well as the animal rescue she has listed (with no charity status which is interesting) with quite a few dogs!

So this really is a weird case, surely if she was running a training business, as well as a boarding business, an animal rescue and the breeding side of things a lot of people would have been passing through on a daily basis so people would have noticed sooner if this has been going on for a long time.

getz · 22-07-2011 3:51pm

andreac wrote: »

Ooopps im so sorry Getz, i just re read it all again and i swear i must have been blind...:o

I just get a bit defensive about my dogs and the fact that i show them and i hate when people compare me with these horrible people.

Ive been to Crufts, my male rottie is qualified for life and i will show him again next year at it. Im proud of my dogs and what i have achieved with them both.

i did best of breed at birmingham,and best in show at the manchester champion show,and had two page write up in the dog world newspaper,but the was 30 years ago,i have bullies now,but i dont show them.

andreac · 22-07-2011 3:54pm

getz wrote: »

i did best of breed at birmingham,and best in show at the manchester champion show,and had two page write up in the dog world newspaper,but the was 30 years ago,i have bullies now,but i dont show them.

Wow, thats brilliant. What breed was that with?

I got Res. Best in SHow at Swords Show this year with my rottie so im very proud. Hes my first rottie and first show dog so ive done amazing with him and ive been very lucky to have won so much with him in such a short space of time.
I love the bullies, esp the miniature ones, they are fab!!

Im confusing myself now, i thought by bullies you meant Bull Terriers.:o

ISDW · 22-07-2011 3:59pm

getz wrote: »

i did best of breed at birmingham,and best in show at the manchester champion show,and had two page write up in the dog world newspaper,but the was 30 years ago,i have bullies now,but i dont show them.

andreac wrote: »

Wow, thats brilliant. What breed was that with?

I got Res. Best in SHow at Swords Show this year with my rottie so im very proud. Hes my first rottie and first show dog so ive done amazing with him and ive been very lucky to have won so much with him in such a short space of time.
I love the bullies, esp the miniature ones, they are fab!!

Would you two just get a room:p:D

Its Friday afternoon, the sun is shining and all is well with the world:cool:

Sorry mods, OT.

getz · 22-07-2011 4:15pm

andreac wrote: »

Wow, thats brilliant. What breed was that with?

I got Res. Best in SHow at Swords Show this year with my rottie so im very proud. Hes my first rottie and first show dog so ive done amazing with him and ive been very lucky to have won so much with him in such a short space of time.
I love the bullies, esp the miniature ones, they are fab!!

Im confusing myself now, i thought by bullies you meant Bull Terriers.:o

it was a staffordshire bull terrior,his litter sister won BOB at cruffs,then was stolen at birmingham,

Crufts Breeder UK, Shameful.. Disgusting.

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