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Fairy tale endings?
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15-07-2011 4:06pm#1Am I the only person that disney / chick flicks has managed to warp my way of thinking?
In the past few days Ive had it said to me by a handful of people that 'fairytales dont exist' while I dont believe in dragons and sword slayers I like to believe in true love, romance , finding thats special someone and cliche as it may be living happily ever after.
Is there such thing as a fairy tale ending? Have you found your prince, or is it all assh*les in burger king hats..??
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Well have you ever considered what Cinderella did when she found the prince's dirty socks strewn casually 1.25 inches away from the laundry hamper?
How about Sleeping Beauty's reaction to her caffiene-lipped prince making others arise?
Fairy tales are only a snapshot of a happy outcome, they don't go from start to finish. The most heartfelt animated full true-ish representation I can think of is the lifecycle beginning scene in "Up", and it is so flippin sincere it makes me cry like a baby every time, out of sadness.
Endings imo are a final thing. Living happily ever after is always glossed over in the stories, all wrapped up neatly for bedtime. It wouldn't make much of a story if Snow White had a few kids, got bored with her job and hubby, p1ssed about for a few years until she finally found fullfillment in a life of hillwalking and gardening, now would it?
Tales are meant to be inspirational, something to aspire to. If your dream is to meet someone and be truly happy, in an all encompassing way then it is very possible that will happen. But they will p1ss you off from time to time. Doesn't mean it's not your fairytale.
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Well have you ever considered what Cinderella did when she found the prince's dirty socks strewn casually 1.25 inches away from the laundry hamper?
How about Sleeping Beauty's reaction to her caffiene-lipped prince making others arise?
It's funny how you never get to actually see what happens for the 60-odd years that constitute the happy ending Personally I loved The Time Traveller's Wife for that, all the romantic fairy-tale "meeting" rubbish is out of the way in the first chapter and then the hard work begins...but oh, you get the message that it's worth all that hard work (a message I never got with fairy-tales) 
Personally I don't think it has to be either princes or assh*les. There's a very nice middle ground that leaves you happy enough while allowing you to retain some individuality and the option to have the occasional flaming row. It'd be far too easy if the OH were the perfect prince. And even if he were, there's still the rest of your life to be less than happy about some of the time - work, friends, hobbies, etc.0 -
xxtattyberxx wrote: »Am I the only person that disney / chick flicks has managed to warp my way of thinking?
In the past few days Ive had it said to me by a handful of people that 'fairytales dont exist' while I dont believe in dragons and sword slayers I like to believe in true love, romance , finding thats special someone and cliche as it may be living happily ever after.
Is there such thing as a fairy tale ending? Have you found your prince, or is it all assh*les in burger king hats..??
I dont see it as a fairy-tale ending. Everything in life is temporary, including relationships. Even the longest in love pair have to part at some point - he will die or she will. Loss and heartbreak are part and parcel of love as far as I am concerned. But its not a morbid way of thinking to me, its about appreciating that time with that special someone for as long as we are lucky enough to have it in our lives.
The fairytale ending has a lot to answer for. It ends at the easy bit. Couple overcome minor obstable to be together. It does not address how relationships need to be worked at by both parties, that its a continual investment.
But, I would consider my relationship fairy-tale- its got the true love, the romance, the butterflies in the tummy. I get a little lift when I come home every evening and his car is there first, I cant wait to see him. Each year we share adds memories and another layer of stuff we learned about the other person, we rarely have a disagreement and it brings me a lot of joy. But its great because we both make it great. No fairy tale is getting the credit for our hard work!0 -
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I really liked Shrek 4 for this, it showed the mundane 'happy every after' and used it for an entertaining film!!!!
I was speaking with my other half and he reckons romantic films, and Disney have set up unrealistic expectations of men!!!:D I do think they have an effect, if your told over and over that love is this awe inspiring, magical, explosive thing then thats what you expect and when you hit the mundane day to day things (after that honeymoon period) you start to question things. I know when I was younger I did, second guessing my own emotions based on a lie!! Age and experience has made the difference there.
One film that I think really gets it right is High Fidelity (I know based on a book, I LOVE Nick Hornby, he gets real mundane side of things and still makes it seem shiny and nice
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xxtattyberxx wrote: »Have you found your prince, or is it all assh*les in burger king hats..??
It's neither so you can tone it down on the melodrama for a start. Why so extreme about it? Men are people too (most of the time) so if you want a real relationship, then have real expectations derived from the real world.
Watching Disney doesn't make you a princess in the same way that owning a camera doesn't make you a photographer so why are you looking for a prince? Disney is an enjoyable escape from real life, not representative of it so please maintain some perspective.
Gosh, am I actually having to point out that life isn't like the movies? Without meaning to sound offensive, I am genuinely stunned that some people are so influenced by fictional fantasy aimed at children 0 -
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In all fairness most movies have some sort of an romantic happy ever after ending unless there horrors or a good arnie movie.
You just got to let all that wash over your head in the movie, or if you have to take it seriously then get tips on how to make your life like that, if you want to, but dont expect it to be exactly the same. 0 -
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metrovelvet wrote: »We had Grimms and Andersons, Bluebeard, Rumplestilksen, Hansel and Gretel, wolves, monsters, crones, and trolls. I think the Disney ban started with Pinnochio, which in all fairness, Disney reallly took the sting out of. I also think it was a pre-empative strike on the potential merchandise addiction.
Yes Disney is entertaining, but as a parent if your job is to educate why make your life that much harder with Disney when there is so much more character building material out there for kids?
lol, I dont know what your gripe really is with disney but this is just going overboard...you can be a good parent and teach your kids what they need to know about life without worrying the disney will be the ones to screw them up....they have the rest of the outside world waiting to do that.
If they cant even get enjoyment from watching a cute kids movie then perhaps disney isnt the dissapointment they will remember when they are adults.
you cant protect them from everything, and disney should be the least of your concerns...0 -
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lol, I dont know what your gripe really is with disney but this is just going overboard...you can be a good parent and teach your kids what they need to know about life without worrying the disney will be the ones to screw them up....they have the rest of the outside world waiting to do that.
If they cant even get enjoyment from watching a cute kids movie then perhaps disney isnt the dissapointment they will remember when they are adults.
you cant protect them from everything, and disney should be the least of your concerns...
Disney is not really a major concern of mine. Im responding to the topic at hand. I might add, I did not ask for parenting lessons from you nor do I really care for your assessment of my response to Disney as overboard. My response is my response and whether you find it overboard is neither here nor there, is condescending and very off topic. Nor is your place to comment on what my child will find disappointing in his life or what my concerns should be, so take it elsewhere to someone who might actually respect your opinion because I certainly don't.0 -
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*cough* Studio Ghibli *cough* :pac:
I do like a lot of Disney movies, but they're fiction, anyone who thinks their prince charming will arrive one day and sweep them off their feet is deluding themselves, relationships require work. I dont get the "waiting for Mr Right" thing either, what entitles you to have the perfect relationship?
They are kids films, of course they are gonna be all happy, good destroys evil, everything works out in the end. Kids have plenty of time to live in the big bad world, what's wrong with letting them watch a bit of fantasy and fun?wow, a lot of Disney bashing going on here...
Disney films...like any other fictional movie are just that fictional movies. They are no worse than the romanatic comedy ... there is nothing wrong letting your kids watch disney filmns, they are fun and amusing, its your job as a parent to make sure they know how things really work in life....not a film.
Movies are for entertainment, parents are for teaching.
Exactly. I watched practically every single Disney film as a kid and loved them. And jees, when you're a kid and you're watching The Little Mermaid, you can't help but want to be a mermaid or be like Jasmine in Aladdin or Belle in Beauty & the Beast, etc. You're a kid - that's what your imagination is for! That's one of the best parts of being a child, you have this amazing imagination and can happily play with toys all day making up your own dreamland. It doesn't mean that once you hit adult years, you're gonna be waiting for this beast to turn into a handsome prince or whatever.metrovelvet wrote: »We had Grimms and Andersons, Bluebeard, Rumplestilksen, Hansel and Gretel, wolves, monsters, crones, and trolls. I think the Disney ban started with Pinnochio, which in all fairness, Disney reallly took the sting out of. I also think it was a pre-empative strike on the potential merchandise addiction.
Yes Disney is entertaining, but as a parent if your job is to educate why make your life that much harder with Disney when there is so much more character building material out there for kids?
And in fairness you haven't watched practically all of the Disney movies if you've only watched as far as Pinocchio. The Lion King is such a wonderful wonderful film. And it's not all happy endings either, it's actually really sad. You really are missing out!lol, I dont know what your gripe really is with disney but this is just going overboard...you can be a good parent and teach your kids what they need to know about life without worrying the disney will be the ones to screw them up....they have the rest of the outside world waiting to do that.
If they cant even get enjoyment from watching a cute kids movie then perhaps disney isnt the dissapointment they will remember when they are adults.
you cant protect them from everything, and disney should be the least of your concerns...
Yep exactly! I told agree with you, BEAT! If you are a parent and Disney is one of your concerns, then I really think you are living in the fantasy land, and not the real world ...0 -
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Funny enough for women I think the message of beauty and the beast can have some dodgy stuff going on. This notion that the beast is attractive in some way and she can tame him with her love may inform a lot of women in adult relationships. I'd also see it as *mad theory* a reinforcement of a very early drive and selection for women to "tame" the excesses of the male in the community, in particular the young male. IE the attraction to "bastards/bad boys" in younger women is not just cultural but a deeper part of humanity.*told you, mad*Everyone should watch Beauty and the Beast at some stage. All the people were turned into pieces of furniture, but still sing songs and have a laugh. How is that not a great life lesson?
As for Disney? I dunno about Disney bashing. Bambi is a thunderingly brilliant film. One of the creepiest and most powerful lines in movie history after all the easy, happy frolicking..."man has entered the forest". And if, even as an adult, you don't catch something in your throat or attempt to wipe a mote from your eye at this point where Bambi loses his mother to an offscreen gunshot and then tries to find her...
At the distance of a long life away it's still a very powerful film and wonderful with it. Snow white(independent woman living with a bunch of emotional dwarfs.:D), the Jungle book, Dumbo, where you too can believe an elephant can fly(and has a great message for kids who may feel they're different) and so many others all the way up to the lion king, Disney at it's best is pretty damned impressive for me anyway. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Funny enough for women I think the message of beauty and the beast can have some dodgy stuff going on. This notion that the beast is attractive in some way and she can tame him with her love may inform a lot of women in adult relationships. I'd also see it as *mad theory* a reinforcement of a very early drive and selection for women to "tame" the excesses of the male in the community, in particular the young male. IE the attraction to "bastards/bad boys" in younger women is not just cultural but a deeper part of humanity.*told you, mad*
As for Disney? I dunno about Disney bashing. Bambi is a thunderingly brilliant film. One of the creepiest and most powerful lines in movie history after all the easy, happy frolicking..."man has entered the forest". And if, even as an adult, you don't catch something in your throat or attempt to wipe a mote from your eye at this point where Bambi loses his mother to an offscreen gunshot and then tries to find her...
At the distance of a long life away it's still a very powerful film and wonderful with it. Snow white(independent woman living with a bunch of emotional dwarfs.:D), the Jungle book, Dumbo, where you too can believe an elephant can fly(and has a great message for kids who may feel they're different) and so many others all the way up to the lion king, Disney at it's best is pretty damned impressive for me anyway.
That is all a fair point [or many], but the thread started about the princess/romance fairytales and I suspect its those ones that are being either adored or rejected.0 -
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metrovelvet wrote: »What exactly is happy ever after? What do people mean by that, for those who seek it?
I've got a plan for that. In 2106 my husband and I will celebrate our 100th wedding anniversary surrounded by our kids, grandkids, great grandkids and possible great-great-grandkids. It'll be a fantastic party, there will probably be some journalists there as a 100th wedding anniversary makes a nice "and finally" for the news.
Then we're going to go home, take crap loads of viagra have sex for what may be the first time in 30 years, and die of simultaneous heart-attacks when we orgasm for the Nth time that night. It'll be a bit weird for our kids, but they'll be in their 80s/90s - they'll get over it. 0 -
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