Given a diet by doc, seems a bit harsh.

drunkmonkey

I'm 2 stone over weight but its never been a problem, I'd consider myself to have a bit of a belly but not massive either. He's suggested I need to go on a diet to shift the extra weight but I don't think I can survive on it. Any suggestions appreciated.

Brickfast: Porridge-microwave made with water and 10 grapes and a few strawberries and a cholestrol lowering yoghurt(eg. benecol or other makes) all mixed. Tea No sugar.

11.00: Coffee/Tea no biscuts etc.

Dinner: 2 potatoes, Small amount of meat(2 small slices) or fish and vegtables. Half Normal dinner.

4.00 Coffee/Tea no biscuts etc.

Teatime: Tea and 2 slices of brown bread. Maybe half tin of fish. 1 or 2 tomatoes. One egg once or twice a week max. No Ham or fries.

Night: Cup of tea or water.

No biscuts, No sweets, No buns/scones, No cakes etc. No White bread, No Jam, No minerals.


Here's the problem, i'm not into fish, I don't drink tea or coffee but I do drink a lot of milk. (up to a liter a day)

He never said how long I have to keep this up for, it seem pretty strict. As I said 2 stone gets me to my perfect weight, from 14 stone now to 12 stone. I'm also going to be exercising on top of this diet.

I'm starving right now and it's half an hour to lunch, I don't really eat potatoes, maybe one a week the same for chips. Any suggestions on what to do. I had fancied a turkey roll with butter and a muller fruit corner and a glass of miwadi. That's in or around what i'd normally have. I'm not a huge eater.

thanks for any help. I'm male if that makes a difference.

amdublin

Give up the milk.

Or at a minimum switch to a low fat one.

A litre a day is ridiculous.

EoghanConway

Like Android? Check out "Noom"; if you can convince yourself it's a game for two weeks you should become accustomed to it.

drunkmonkey

amdublin wrote: »

Give up the milk.

Or at a minimum switch to a low fat one.

A litre a day is ridiculous.

Since i've been a kid it's my favorite drink. A liter a day might be overstating it in the last 2 or 3 months but normally i'd have that but I did drink a liter yesterday. I don't drink loads of water I make up with milk.

drunkmonkey

EoghanConway wrote: »

Like Android? Check out "Noom"; if you can convince yourself it's a game for two weeks you should become accustomed to it.

Surley that's not enough food for a guy to survive on, how long would you keep it up if I was to play the game.

Sangre

Terrible diet imo not to mention completely unsustainable. Consists mostly of carbs and with little to no protein or goods fats.

Is your GP a dietician? What training do they have in dieting or fitness/sports? Is your GP a Safefood representative by any chance?

amdublin

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Since i've been a kid it's my favorite drink. A liter a day might be overstating it in the last 2 or 3 months but normally i'd have that but I did drink a liter yesterday. I don't drink loads of water I make up with milk.

Yes okay.

But if you want to lose weight stop drinking milk. Switch to water.

Jarren

Hi OP

you won't be able to sustain this type of diet I'm afraid
I would strongly advise you to read the stickies and educate yourself about nutrition

Sangre

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Since i've been a kid it's my favorite drink. A liter a day might be overstating it in the last 2 or 3 months but normally i'd have that but I did drink a liter yesterday. I don't drink loads of water I make up with milk.

There's nothing unhealthy about milk. However, it does contain a large amount of calories which are very easy to consume. Milk isn't conducive to weight loss. Cutting that much milk from your diet would have a noticeable effect on your weight in a few weeks imo.

drunkmonkey

Sangre wrote: »

Terrible diet imo not to mention completely unsustainable. Consists mostly of carbs and with little to no protein or goods fats.

Is your GP a dietician? What training do they have in dieting or fitness/sports? Is your GP a Safefood representative by any chance?

Standard GP. don't think he's a dietician, I don't eat most of the things he suggested like potatoes, fish, coffee, tea etc.
I don't eat potatoes because i need butter with them so I avoid them, the same goes for coffee and tea as I need sugar before I can bare the taste.

I'm going to have my turkey roll as planned but get a brown roll, the little bit of miwadi in the water can't do much harm and either could the muller?

Any suggestions on a good diet, i've been lazy with exercising lately so I presume that's going to have a big impact on the way I burn food as mentioned I don't eat a whole lot as it is. I've also cut completely down on beer in the last 2 months.

Ophiopogon

I would agree that you should have a read through the stickes here.

There is no point in going on a diet of food you do not like(as you said potatoes and fish) as you will have a higher chance of giving up.

As other posters have said I think this is really not a great diet. If you become aware of what is nutritious and what calories, portien, carbs etc a food item holds than you can make up a "diet" of foods that you like and would be happy to eat as well as allowing your self to eat when suits you and not under a strict timing schedule.

What foods were you eating before and are you doing any exercise?

Oryx

Post up your actual diet, which you normally eat, not the one youve been prescribed. Youll soon find out if you eat a lot, or not.

opinion guy

Sangre wrote: »

There's nothing unhealthy about milk.

Read the China Study and you might revise this opinion

pconn062

Just out of curiosity, you say your 2 stone overweight but its not a problem. Why is your doctor suggesting you need to lose weight and doing a diet for you if you don't need to? Do you have cholesterol problems or something? Two stone is a lot of extra weight to be carrying.

Roger Marbles

opinion guy wrote: »

Read the China Study and you might revise this opinion

The China Study had been much discredited in recent years and for good reason too.

corkcomp

drinking that much milk wont help you lose weight. swap for water.. I wont say much about the GP's proposed diet except its not as bad as people are making out, except the tea doesnt look very nutritious. If you ditch the milk along with "No biscuts, No sweets, No buns/scones, No cakes etc. No White bread, No Jam, No minerals." the two stone will fall off in no time

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Standard GP. don't think he's a dietician, I don't eat most of the things he suggested like potatoes, fish, coffee, tea etc.
I don't eat potatoes because i need butter with them so I avoid them, the same goes for coffee and tea as I need sugar before I can bare the taste.

I'm going to have my turkey roll as planned but get a brown roll, the little bit of miwadi in the water can't do much harm and either could the muller?

Any suggestions on a good diet, i've been lazy with exercising lately so I presume that's going to have a big impact on the way I burn food as mentioned I don't eat a whole lot as it is. I've also cut completely down on beer in the last 2 months.

My suggestion is don't fool yourself into thinking a brown roll is any better.
A roll is awful for calories and nutrition, and if you eat a better lunch you may find yourself with more energy in the afternoon.
Have a chicken salad or fish or eggs or something.

opinion guy

Roger Marbles wrote: »

The China Study had been much discredited in recent years and for good reason too.

Well I'll admit I'm not up to speed on that. Bit I still don't think drinking a litre of milk a day is good for you

Roger Marbles

opinion guy wrote: »

Well I'll admit I'm not up to speed on that. Bit I still don't think drinking a litre of milk a day is good for you

In terms of body fat loss, avoiding dairy would be a good idea along with bread, pasta, rice etc.

Whether drinking a litre of milk outside of this particular situation is good for you is open to both debate and individual variations.

In terms of the OP, I would suggest loads of protein and veg.

EoghanConway

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Surley that's not enough food for a guy to survive on, how long would you keep it up if I was to play the game.

You'd be surprised what you can survive on. Keep the calories low, nutrients and protein high, and stick to it for two weeks. Depending on how much exercise you are doing you may need more carb and protein.

After two weeks you won't have died, and you'll know if you can hack it or not.

Ice.

Roger Marbles wrote: »

The China Study had been much discredited in recent years and for good reason too.

Lol. And what reason would that be? You prefer to hear good things about your bad habits? The China Study hasn't been discredited. The posterchild for this so-called debunking has been Denise Minger and while the WAPF and their supporters have been busy high-fiving each other into oblivion they don't like to acknowledge that Minger's analysis is extremely flawed and can't be taken seriously.

Jarren

Track your calories here OP

http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/

Roger Marbles

Ice. wrote: »

Lol. And what reason would that be? You prefer to hear good things about your bad habits? The China Study hasn't been discredited. The posterchild for this so-called debunking has been Denise Minger and while the WAPF and their supporters have been busy high-fiving each other into oblivion they don't like to acknowledge that Minger's analysis is extremely flawed and can't be taken seriously.

Where have I mentioned anything about my habits.

Your tone is unnecessarily antagonistic. I and many others I'm sure would prefer if you redirected your energy to highlighting with examples why it hasn't been descredited and also how such analysis is extremely flawed.

Also return to my original post and you will find I said it was "much discredited".

Edit: It might be best if you start a new thread about it, not to ruin this thread for the OP.

Ice.

Roger Marbles wrote: »

It might be best if you start a new thread about it, not to ruin this thread for the OP.

This is my last post on this thread.

Roger Marbles wrote: »

Where have I mentioned anything about my habits.

Most people who "disagree" with The China Study don't like to hear bad things about animal foods and will cling to anything no matter how slight that will allow themselves to dismiss it and continue eating such foods.

Roger Marbles wrote: »

Your tone is unnecessarily antagonistic. I and many others I'm sure would prefer if you redirected your energy to highlighting with examples why it hasn't been descredited and also how such analysis is extremely flawed.

Minger's analysis doesn't stand up to scrutiny. She is more interested in discounting Dr Campbell's claims regarding diet and disease than she is in taking the time to understand what he’s arguing. I suggest you do some reading.

Roger Marbles wrote: »

Also return to my original post and you will find I said it was "much discredited".

Well, if you're referring to WAPF golden boy Chris Masterjohn I hope it's only in jest. I wouldn't take anything this guy says about nutrition seriously. Most other negative commentary on The China Study is just a regurgitation of Masterjohn and Minger.

aisog

That does seem like vry litte food for a guy!
What do you eat? Its amazing when you write down what you eat you can see how much you really do eat and if your eating a lot of bad food!
But like has been said that diet dosent cm very balanced and is no good to you if you dont eat half the food on it!

Roger Marbles

This will also also be my last post in here:

Ice. wrote: »

This is my last post on this thread.




Most people who "disagree" with The China Study don't like to hear bad things about animal foods and will cling to anything no matter how slight that will allow themselves to dismiss it and continue eating such foods.

You've made a specific accusation about my dietary habits and now are resorting to most people who disagree. Nice change of tack. Your original remark was way off base and you should learn how to discuss things with a bit more maturity than resorting to that.

Minger's analysis doesn't stand up to scrutiny. She is more interested in discounting Dr Campbell's claims regarding diet and disease than she is in taking the time to understand what he’s arguing. I suggest you do some reading.

Not that I've mentioned Minger so far but let's entertain your strawman argument. She has written a critique of his work. You have said her analysis doesn't stand up to scrutiny: what part of her critique is factually incorrect or scientifically unsound?

Well, if you're referring to WAPF golden boy Chris Masterjohn I hope it's only in jest. I wouldn't take anything this guy says about nutrition seriously. Most other negative commentary on The China Study is just a regurgitation of Masterjohn and Minger.

Let's refrain from insulting people or lowering the debate. Again provide the evidence where they are wrong and people will gladly consider it. So far, all you've managed to do is insult me and a few other people. Quite the convincing argument. I await your new thread with a detailed scientific analysis of where their critiques are unsound with great anticipation. In future, it would be preferable if instead of advising people to do "some reading", you would do "some thinking" and read people's posts before you start typing. Misrepresenting people's views is poor form.

drunkmonkey

pconn062 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, you say your 2 stone overweight but its not a problem. Why is your doctor suggesting you need to lose weight and doing a diet for you if you don't need to? Do you have cholesterol problems or something? Two stone is a lot of extra weight to be carrying.

No idea what's wrong, he took samples there this morning and is sending me for an ultra sound, i'm getting dull pains in my upper abdomen that feels like hunger for the last few months just decided to act on it this morning as it was annoying me when trying to sleep. I'll know in a week or so what's going on. Personally I think it's an ulcer, some kind of gastric problem. I feel fine, everything is working. I'd say it's drink related, I did over do it a little bit before this started. Body is getting older can't abuse it like i'm 21 anymore.

My diet is all over the place, I've no set routine, I don't eat a breakfast so my diet needs some working on as it's a case of I eat when i'm hungry and that's usually late at night. I think he's just trying to healthy me up a bit with the diet but it's not the solution to the current problem but can't be helping either.
I could be wrong on my self prognosis, a fitness couch friend told me the pains could be from getting bigger.

Bottle_of_Smoke

MAybe its just for your general health. Doctors are often reluctant to suggest weight loss so I doubt he's saying it for no reason

Anyway, you will lose weight on that diet, even with the milk, but I doubt you would sustain it long term. 6months after you quit I'd bet money you'd be back at 14stone

Its the old school, conventional wisdom diet, low fat, keep things simple approach.:pac: The fact he's told you to limit eggs to 2 a week is proof of that. Works in the short term but most bounce back to pre-diet weight

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Brickfast: Porridge-microwave made with water and 10 grapes and a few strawberries and a cholestrol lowering yoghurt(eg. benecol or other makes) all mixed. Tea No sugar. no major issues here

11.00: Coffee/Tea no biscuts etc.

Dinner: 2 potatoes, Small amount of meat(2 small slices) or fish and vegtables. Half Normal dinner. I'd go for 1 potatoe, with a good helping of meat - doesn't have to be fish - and green veg

4.00 Coffee/Tea no biscuts etc.

Teatime: Tea and 2 slices of brown bread. Maybe half tin of fish. 1 or 2 tomatoes. One egg once or twice a week max. No Ham or fries.
Ditch the brown bread, have salad + a good source of protein, eg chicken, eggs,beef


Night: Cup of tea or water.

No biscuts, No sweets, No buns/scones, No cakes etc. No White bread, No Jam, No minerals.


Here's the problem, i'm not into fish, I don't drink tea or coffee but I do drink a lot of milk. (up to a liter a day)
meat is fine instead of fish. fish does have benefits but if you don't like it you don't like it and for weight loss its not an issue. Personally I don't think the milk is as bad as people are making out, so long as its not pushing you over your calorie limit its a good source of protein and fat, I'd also allow yourself a treat occasionally, you don't want to be miserable

He never said how long I have to keep this up for, it seem pretty strict. As I said 2 stone gets me to my perfect weight, from 14 stone now to 12 stone. I'm also going to be exercising on top of this diet. i would say he means until you're a healthy weight, but trust me if you go back to old habits you'll go back to your old weight, somewhere in between is a diet you can enjoy and stay in shape

opinion guy

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its the old school, conventional wisdom diet, low fat, keep things simple approach.:pac: The fact he's told you to limit eggs to 2 a week is proof of that.

Lol I was thinking exactly that when I read the eggs thing:D

OP what age is your doc ?:p

drunkmonkey

opinion guy wrote: »

Lol I was thinking exactly that when I read the eggs thing:D

OP what age is your doc ?:p

The doc is about 55 I think, I also forgot to mention one of my first jobs was selling eggs and I hate the things.

leeroybrown

The diet seems a bit over the top to me but then again I'm a balanced diet and exercise type of guy. I'll always suggest that eating healthy meals, fruit for snacks and getting out and about doing stuff.

The two things I'd suggest are:

Someone else has already mentioned it but it sounds like the the simplest way for you to lose weight is to cut down on the milk and replace it with water. I've a friend who did exactly that and it worked wonders for his weight.

I'd suggest the other big change you can make to your routine is to have a healthy breakfast. Eating breakfast will change when you're hungry during the day and might help you cut out the late night snacking.

El_Dangeroso

opinion guy wrote: »

Well I'll admit I'm not up to speed on that. Bit I still don't think drinking a litre of milk a day is good for you

Here's science based medicine's take on the China Study:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-china-study-revisited/#

I noticed a number of things in the book that bothered me. I found evidence of sloppy citations, cherry-picked references, omission of data that contradicted the thesis, and recommendations that went beyond the data.

Cue Ice claiming that blog is a WAPF agent, lol!

The actual China Study is a really cool collection of data. When you model the data properly, ie control for confounders not just let your imagination run wild with simple linear correlations like Campbell did, you get some interesting results, like the observation that elderly people who eat more fat tend to be healthier:

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2011/02/china-study-ii-wheat-dietary-fat-and.html

Chris89

amdublin wrote: »

Give up the milk.

Or at a minimum switch to a low fat one.

A litre a day is ridiculous.

I drink 2 litres a day usually, I havent died yet.

opinion guy

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Here's science based medicine's take on the China Study:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-china-study-revisited/#



Cue Ice claiming that blog is a WAPF agent, lol!

The actual China Study is a really cool collection of data. When you model the data properly, ie control for confounders not just let your imagination run wild with simple linear correlations like Campbell did, you get some interesting results, like the observation that elderly people who eat more fat tend to be healthier:

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2011/02/china-study-ii-wheat-dietary-fat-and.html

Were China study the only study to show meat and dairy as not particularly good for you I might listen to these criticisms. But it isn't. Studies in Okinawa showed excessive meat to be bad for you. Dairy also. and there was that SALT lake city study showing vegetarians get less cancer (I forget the name).

Who is this Minger person ? A blogger ? Not familiar with this science based medicine crowd. Though I will say in my experience these so called 'skeptic' websites are usual very biased and working to some agenda or other. This would be why they are generally indulging in PR exercises like running websites and not actual science jobs like lab research, running clinical studies or editing journals.

Though your last point about the China study data is a very good one. Data is available to one and all.

Chris89 wrote: »

I drink 2 litres a day usually, I havent died yet.

Oh thats scientific. Unless you are a growing juvenile bovine that amount of dairy is unhealthy for you. From the calorie count alone.

Jarren

More relevant links here

http://freetheanimal.com/2010/07/the-china-study-smackdown-roundup.html

opinion guy

jarecki1976 wrote: »

More relevant links here

http://freetheanimal.com/2010/07/the-china-study-smackdown-roundup.html

Random forum arguments aren't really revelant tbh.
Got any pubmed links ?

El_Dangeroso

opinion guy wrote: »

Were China study the only study to show meat and dairy as not particularly good for you I might listen to these criticisms. But it isn't. Studies in Okinawa showed excessive meat to be bad for you. Dairy also. and there was that SALT lake city study showing vegetarians get less cancer (I forget the name).

Who is this Minger person ? A blogger ? Not familiar with this science based medicine crowd. Though I will say in my experience these so called 'skeptic' websites are usual very biased and working to some agenda or other. This would be why they are generally indulging in PR exercises like running websites and not actual science jobs like lab research, running clinical studies or editing journals.

Though your last point about the China study data is a very good one. Data is available to one and all.

You do realise you are confusing correlation with causation? Campbell didn't even perform basic statistics to check his correlations stood up in the face of confounders like infectious disease. In fact when you control for that alone his correlations disappear.

Also the other evidence in the book is highly spurious rat research, one of my favourites is where he protein restricts some rats and because they die sooner than the rats who died of cancer, he concludes that restricting protein protects against cancer.:D

As for the Okinawans, Okinawa is known as the 'Island of Pork', they start and end their day with pork. That seems to get conveniently forgotten on websites keen to promote vegetarianism.

http://www.okinawaindex.com/index/?tid=2&cid=250&id=2

They eat very simple, low calorie diets too and live very low stress lifestyles which helps.

LOL at the demand for pubmed articles when your evidence is a non-peer-reviewed book and an wild extrapolation based on an incorrect observation of a population's diet.

opinion guy

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

You do realise you are confusing correlation with causation? Campbell didn't even perform basic statistics to check his correlations stood up in the face of confounders like infectious disease. In fact when you control for that alone his correlations disappear.

where did I say anything about causation ? Don't straw man me. Fine accuse Campbell of doing that if you want.

Also the other evidence in the book is highly spurious rat research, one of my favourites is where he protein restricts some rats and because they die sooner than the rats who died of cancer, he concludes that restricting protein protects against cancer.:D

As for the Okinawans, Okinawa is known as the 'Island of Pork', they start and end their day with pork. That seems to get conveniently forgotten on websites keen to promote vegetarianism.

http://www.okinawaindex.com/index/?tid=2&cid=250&id=2

I did not say the okinawans don't eat meat. I very deliberatlely said they eat less meat. Which is possible even fi you do eat pork with every day.

They eat very simple, low calorie diets too and live very low stress lifestyles which helps.

LOL at the demand for pubmed articles when your evidence is a non-peer-reviewed book and an wild extrapolation based on an incorrect observation of a population's diet.

Sorry but its a book by a highly respected, highly qualified Professor of science. Not someones blog.


For the record - I'm not saying I agree with everything in the China Study - it reads as biased towards veganism to me. I put much more stock int he Okinawan work. But I still think Campbell raises huge issues about dairy intake

El_Dangeroso

Less meat than who? Americans? Americans don't eat meat, they eat factory farmed, white flour coated, soybean drenched garbage.

Yes you are definitely confusing correlation with causation. You think that based on your mistaken belief that the Okinawans eat little meat, that that has to be the reason for their health. But if that's your only evidence then the Swiss are eating lots of dairy (in fact they consume the most dairy fat in Europe) and they have a life-expectancy comparable to the Japanese.

Nice appeal to authority at the end though. Well if it's in a book (by a respected person no less) it simply must be true.:)

Anyone can run these stats with a simple program like R, Minitab or SPSS. It actually doesn't take a lot of expertise to demolish Campbell's arguments in quick fashion.

opinion guy

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Less meat than who? Americans? Americans don't eat meat, they eat factory farmed, white flour coated, soybean drenched garbage.

Yes you are definitely confusing correlation with causation. You think that based on your mistaken belief that the Okinawans eat little meat, that that has to be the reason for their health. But if that's your only evidence then the Swiss are eating lots of dairy (in fact they consume the most dairy fat in Europe) and they have a life-expectancy comparable to the Japanese.

Nice appeal to authority at the end though. Well if it's in a book (by a respected person no less) it simply must be true.:)

Anyone can run these stats with a simple program like R, Minitab or SPSS. It actually doesn't take a lot of expertise to demolish Campbell's arguments in quick fashion.

Ok look buddy. This is some guys thread asking for advice. I made some throw away comment to point out that there was a diversity of opinions on the healthyness or otherwise of milk. I wasn't looking for a discussion to corrupt the OP's thread. If you want to strawman and punk people on the issue go start your own thread on it. I won't be responding to you again.


OP there are about 500 calories in a litre of milk. Swap your milk for water and you will be eating 500 calories a day less. Simple as.

El_Dangeroso

Buddy? I'm not your buddy, <opinion> guy.:)

You said to read the China Study and it might change their opinion on milk. All I was saying is that the book is a pile of unscientific garbage and reading it would be a waste of time (I know it was a waste of mine).

I was having a quick look at who consumes the most meat per capita in the world there out of interest. It was Denmark. Yep, Denmark. Who knew?

amdublin

Chris89 wrote: »

I drink 2 litres a day usually, I havent died yet.

Are you trying to lose weight like the op

Chris89

opinion guy wrote: »

Oh thats scientific. Unless you are a growing juvenile bovine that amount of dairy is unhealthy for you. From the calorie count alone.

I train twice a day every day, I have been drinking that amount of milk for years. Apart from a few bumps and bruises i am perfectly healthy. I dont buy the whole 'too much dairy' shpeal.

aspie mum

In my opioion the doctors diet is crap you would starve and that wont help weight loss.

Yes porridge or readybreak in the morning is fine I have 40g of ready break most mornings and make it with 150ml of low fat milk(the new avonmore 1% is really tasty if like me you are a milk drinker) I sweeten it with a fistfull of frozen berries or a banana

At break time i usually have some fruit 2 portions

At lunch time i have 200g of chicken diced and served with half a bag of salad leaves some tomatoes onion cucumber and to give it a crucnch I put a table spoon of bombay mix on it and for a dressing i use some greek yoghurt with a little water to make it runny and some different spices to give it a bit of extra taste somedays i have a slice of wholewheat bread with this but no spread(if i do use anything its real butter)

At dinner time I eat some meat chicken beef ham and have lots of undressed veggies with my meal and either some potatoes or pasta or rice

I will dress the meal with either a processed gravy ie Bisto( small amount)or a pasta sauce ...sometimes i make my own sometimes i dont have time I avoid all the creamy ones as they are very heavy and full of fats

I will in the evening eat more fruit if required and also during the day but do restrict my bananas to 2 as the can be quite heavy

i drink 4/5 pints of water and would have a glass of low fat milk if having Miwaddi i go for the sugar free ones but try to avoid them if possible also I use a seletion of fruit teas when i want a hot drink

my diet is not perfect i slipp up often but generally I am lossing weight nearly 35 lbs since christmas and once a week I treat my self to a takeaway and once a week I have a treat as in some chocolate and crisps In the winter time I add homemade soups to keep me warm and full

If you use common sense and approach this with a list of foods you do like and combine them with some exercise and get correct info on what you are eating you should be allright

remember a little of everything in moderation is fine

Good luck with it and I hope its nothing major medically wrong with you:)

corkcomp

Chris89 wrote: »

I train twice a day every day, I have been drinking that amount of milk for years. Apart from a few bumps and bruises i am perfectly healthy. I dont buy the whole 'too much dairy' shpeal.

in an attempt to get the thread back O/T, thats cool if it works for you but surely its obvious that someone who doesnt train twice a day, is not as physically active as you and is trying to drop weight / BF would be better off not taking in that many liquid calories?

keane2097

Chris89 wrote: »

I train twice a day every day, I have been drinking that amount of milk for years. Apart from a few bumps and bruises i am perfectly healthy. I dont buy the whole 'too much dairy' shpeal.

Good job on out-training your unhealthy milk addiction.

Chris89

If its good enough for Paul O'Connell, its good enough for me.

Jarren

Because Paul said so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7lTqI56pQc

I don't drink myself a milk for one very simple reason - bloating:)

Bottle_of_Smoke

FFS guys the OP wanted help with his diet not a debate on milk and the china study. There's a post new thread button to the left of the forum

El_Dangeroso

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

FFS guys the OP wanted help with his diet not a debate on milk and the china study. There's a post new thread button to the left of the forum

I thought we'd already done that? Diet was crap, read the stickies, done.

corkcomp

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

FFS guys the OP wanted help with his diet not a debate on milk and the china study. There's a post new thread button to the left of the forum

Not unusual on here really. Hopefully the OP will post back if he has any other queries on improving diet:)