Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

yop

Moran, COC and Dillon all played tonight.

km79

yop wrote: »

Moran, COC and Dillon all played tonight.

wouldn't it be some craic if Kildare took the dubs out of our side of the draw tomorrow

Stoner

No.

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

wouldn't it be some craic if Kildare took the dubs out of our side of the draw tomorrow

A Kildare win would not guarantee that.

If Dublin were to continue to win in the A side of the draw then they may meet the Leinster champions in the QF, win that and they may meet Mayo in the SF, if Mayo have kept winning to get to that stage.

A Dublin loss in the Leinster final would guarantee that they are not on the same side as Mayo, as long as Mayo don't lose the Connacht final also.

If Dublin won their 4th round qualifier then they would have to meet the Munster champions in the QF, and if they won would then meet the Ulster champ or B side qualifier in the SF, and that B side qualifier may be Mayo if Mayo were to lose the Connacht final.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

A Kildare win would not guarantee that.

If Dublin were to continue to win in the A side of the draw then they may meet the Leinster champions in the QF, win that and they may meet Mayo in the SF, if Mayo have kept winning to get to that stage.

A Dublin loss in the Leinster final would guarantee that they are not on the same side as Mayo, as long as Mayo don't lose the Connacht final also.

If Dublin won their 4th round qualifier then they would have to meet the Munster champions in the QF, and if they won would then meet the Ulster champ or B side qualifier in the SF, and that B side qualifier may be Mayo if Mayo were to lose the Connacht final.

oh yes I had not really thought about
it's better so if they lose the final

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

oh yes I had not really thought about
it's better so if they lose the final

A Dublin or Kerry loss in their respective provincial finals would be interesting as they could meet in the QF.

paddy13

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

A Dublin or Kerry loss in their respective provincial finals would be interesting as they could meet in the QF.

Don't see that happening, I would be surprised if Cork beat Kerry.
Would love to see Dublin lose in Leinster, as it's a one horse race far too long. Even though it's almost the same in every province more so there.

neiphin

agh lads
ye are afraid of them already

if we are to win , we will have to beat them at some stage
so this is a load of poppycock, we have to beat Sligo first
and not make the same mistake as the Rossies

Peist2007

neiphin wrote: »

agh lads
ye are afraid of them already

if we are to win , we will have to beat them at some stage
so this is a load of poppycock, we have to beat Sligo first
and not make the same mistake as the Rossies

100% agree. Sligo deserve respect and will get it. This Mayo team arent Roscommon, thank God. The Rossies always lose the run of themselves when they think they have found footballers who can kick the ball straight.

Fair play to Westmeath today. Imagine John Heslin in the Mayo forward line :eek:

ColeTrain

All eyes on game 2, no point in looking any further.

km79

quick question cos I can't find a quick answer !
do season ticket holders get free entry to minor match ?

naughto

km79 wrote: »

quick question cos I can't find a quick answer !
do season ticket holders get free entry to minor match ?

Ya I think

yop

Any word on injuries or lack of over the weekend?

davegrohl48

Reportedly no injuries.
Did anyone see the Aghamore game to see how Alan Freeman played. I had heard he was going well?
I had a look back at the Dublin league game. Y'know Freeman if he shaved his head and shouted after his good moments would be seen as some kind of hard man who can also score. In that Dublin game he was the only forward getting stuck in in the first half when everyone else was marked absence in terms of the dirty work, he was turning hard won ball into passes to a team mate. As usual he won scoreable frees and didn't really get the credit due for it. A painful exercise but I recommend anyone look back at the first half of Mayo - Dublin league and count all incidents he's involved in. I counted roughly 6 positive and 2 negative. At one stage McGloughlin just stood looking on as Freeman was fighting to win back ball on the ground.
His problem I see is one of image. If he was all John Mullane like after every good moment there would be a perception that he's some beasht of a man who fights for the cause. But because he quietly goes about his business and doesn't get involved in any off the ball stuff Freeman has a perception problem amongst pundits and fans.
His stats in terms of goal scoring, point scoring, winning ball, successful passes to a team mate, goal scoring % are impressive on a seasonal basis. Other players survive a bad game but never Freeman. Simply ridiculous that he is almost now a "Give him 5 minutes at the end" type of player.
If you hold off on judging a player either positive or negative on a match to match basis but look more at their seasonal performance you get (like in the film Moneyball) a more accurate picture of which players can bring seasonal success. In terms of what is being way overrated now are worker type forwards who never goal or setup other players in either direct assists or second out assists from the scorer. Far too many overrated players in most teams who can't do anything of much quality with posession.
Derrys highest posession player McGoldrick was in my view damaging to their attacking game, 28 posessions and couldn't do anything of any quality with it. He didn't have a score, an assist, a second player out assist or win a scoreable free off of 28 posessions. Back and forth with easy option ball out around the middle of the pitch away from the scoring zone.
The way people harp on about turnovers you would swear a score goes up on the board when you get one. Any player rated well on turnovers must have high pass completion and assist rates or they're not bringing much game winning performance to the table. If they're losing posession themselves (turnover to other team) then they need to be much more heavily involved in the scoring and assists as they're only about breaking even in terms of helping their side win the posession battle. As I see Gaelic Football now these turnover worker merchants if they have two impressive turnovers can themselves get away with three innaccurate passes in the same game. Despite that being a 1 turnover negative swing to the other team. Okay rant over but I'm just tired of seeing the obvious statistical gap between players with minor deficiencies in workrate who far exceed worker forwards in the quality stakes in terms of assists and scoring.
Posession does not win Gaelic Football games but the efficiency with which you turn attacks (posessions) into scores. To be efficient you have to have on average attackers with high % shooting and high rates of assists, second out assists and pass completion.

seligehgit

Good opinion piece by Joe Brolly on our defensive frailties.


http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-mayo-have-to-realise-they-are-not-being-hampered-by-a-curse-just-****-defending-31334808.html

Fr Tod Umptious

seligehgit wrote: »

Good opinion piece by Joe Brolly on our defensive frailties.


http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-mayo-have-to-realise-they-are-not-being-hampered-by-a-curse-just-****-defending-31334808.html

Just a pity that nothing seems to be being done about it.

Fr Tod Umptious

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Reportedly no injuries.
Did anyone see the Aghamore game to see how Alan Freeman played. I had heard he was going well?
I had a look back at the Dublin league game. Y'know Freeman if he shaved his head and shouted after his good moments would be seen as some kind of hard man who can also score. In that Dublin game he was the only forward getting stuck in in the first half when everyone else was marked absence in terms of the dirty work,......

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Good points about Freeman.
Oddly one of my highlights of the 2014 season was the way Freeman fought and won a ball he had no business winning to set up O'Shea's goal v Cork
If I find the vid I'll post it

Edit - Or at least I think it was Freeman

padd b1975

Is much expected of our minors this year?

yop

Great points about Freeman, really unsung and always chips in. Bit like DOC for years, got grief for not doing what he was meant to be was doing lots of donkey work.

Brolly is right, though he loves telling us!

Hard to know about the minors, will be interesting to see. That game is in McHale?

davegrohl48

Freeman was winning back ball in many games and if he was all hard man hero about it he'd honestly never have been subbed as much. He's a bit indistinctive apart from his two handed release of the ball to shoot. But physically not as obvious as AOS/Dillon/Andy/Cillian. Manys the time yer unsure if it was indeed him in a crowd of players.

davegrohl48

Freeman was winning back ball in many games and if he was all hard man hero about it he'd honestly never have been subbed as much. He's a bit indistinctive apart from his two handed release of the ball to shoot. But physically not as obvious as AOS/Dillon/Andy/Cillian. Manys the time yer unsure if it was indeed him in a crowd of players.

naughto

We are an easy target for brolly as we have won nothing bar Connaught but lord he is a prick.
There was no need to bring Mayo in to it for the Dublin Kildare game he just like to poke a stick every now and again

Fr Tod Umptious

naughto wrote: »

We are an easy target for brolly as we have won nothing bar Connaught but lord he is a prick.
There was no need to bring Mayo in to it for the Dublin Kildare game he just like to poke a stick every now and again

Brolly's first love will always be Derry naturally.
After that he has a hard on for Ulster football in general and whoever is doing well in it.

So he had to write about Mayo cos he was not going to broach the subject of Derry failing to beat a poor Donegal.

Defiler Of The Coffin

There's no point getting too prickly about Brolly. I don't believe he hates Mayo at all but we're an easy target and to be honest, all the losses and disappointments have left us a hyper-sensitive bunch. We've shipped so much abuse about being bottlers and chokers and whatnot that the constructive criticism falls between the cracks. It's not his first time writing about Mayo's defensive problems (he wrote a similar article last year I believe) and to be honest I think he's spot on. Goals at the wrong moment cost us dearly in the '12 and '13 finals and last year's debacle against Kerry (amidst all the crying about the venue) was caused because we couldn't contain their forwards.

Horan's running half-backs gave us plenty of goals and exciting moments and probably shored up the forwards when they were found to be lacking (Donie Vaughan and Lee Keegan must have been the highest scoring HBs in the country) but it left us badly exposed at times (the Derry match last year was the worst example). I thought we defended very well against Donegal in the league, a shame we didn't take more of our chances. Unless we continue to build and improve our defences we're not going to win Sam, simple as. The big teams will always expose any shortcomings ruthlessly.

naughto

When are the tickets out?

cocoman

naughto wrote: »

When are the tickets out?

Once the minor finalists are decided at the weekend.

km79

Clarke a doubt for the final with a groin injury
I'd rather have no injuries at all but if there is one area where we are OK it's goals!

seligehgit

Anybody heading up to the minor game on Saturday?Looking forward to seeing what talent of tomorrow will have to offer.It would be nice to secure another win over the Tribesmen.

Kalyke

Kilkenny v Mayo in Junior All Ireland Football semi final Nolan Park July 25th. Is this the first time the counties have met in a national inter county match in any level/code?
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/all-ireland-junior-football-championship/

Defiler Of The Coffin

Kalyke wrote: »

Kilkenny v Mayo in Junior All Ireland Football semi final Nolan Park July 25th. Is this the first time the counties have met in a national inter county match in any level/code?
http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/all-ireland-junior-football-championship/

IIRC the last time Mayo have played Kilkenny in the football was in November 1997 in the league when we beat them 2-17 to 1-5. No idea how we ended up in the same division as them but there was some kind of a reorganisation of the league and somehow we got thrown in with them.

It was played in Nowlan Park. The opener was a hurling match featuring Ballyhale Shamrocks. My father went to the match and he couldn't believe how big the crowd was when he got there. Of course when the hurling finished everyone got up and left, about a few dozen stayed to watch the football!