Lotto.ie idiocy

dpe

Just clicked on the lotto.ie website (mainly to find out why the Euromillions is capped at €185m - what's up with that?), and I noticed they've finally got with the internet age and you can now play online. So I filled out the registration, get to the end, only to find you have to print off a form and send them a copy of your passport or driver's licence before you can sign up! Which genius thought that one up? Apparently its so they can authenticate you're over 18. Really? Its funny how just about every lottery and gambling site in the world seems to manage without people running around sticking letters in the post.

Biggins

dpe wrote: »

Just clicked on the lotto.ie website (mainly to find out why the Euromillions is capped at €185m - what's up with that?), and I noticed they've finally got with the internet age and you can now play online. So I filled out the registration, get to the end, only to find you have to print off a form and send them a copy of your passport or driver's licence before you can sign up! Which genius thought that one up? Apparently its so they can authenticate you're over 18. Really? Its funny how just about every lottery and gambling site in the world seems to manage without people running around sticking letters in the post.

Welcome to the Irish way of doing things.

Sparks43

Yeah its a load of Balls to be sure :pac:

Mr. Manager

dpe wrote: »

Just clicked on the lotto.ie website (mainly to find out why the Euromillions is capped at €185m - what's up with that?), and I noticed they've finally got with the internet age and you can now play online. So I filled out the registration, get to the end, only to find you have to print off a form and send them a copy of your passport or driver's licence before you can sign up! Which genius thought that one up? Apparently its so they can authenticate you're over 18. Really? Its funny how just about every lottery and gambling site in the world seems to manage without people running around sticking letters in the post.

The one that created the law stating you have to be over 18 to play the lotto

Makes perfect sense.

prinz

dpe wrote: »

.. and I noticed they've finally got with the internet age and you can now play online.

Been that way for a good while now. Not their fault you only checked out the site now.

landsleaving

Well you'd better send off the forms, sure if you're not in you can't win!

Hasmunch

Who wants lottery tickets!!!!!

orourkeda

€185 million worth of reasons to send it.

quit bitching and just send the facking letter

cesc77

Thought you could play if you were 16,or is that just UK?

I didnt have to send off documents in the post to register.I was able to do so in 10 mins through the national lottery website.





Sure tell me your numbers and Ill do them for you.

Promise:pac:

c_man

If you must play ( :pac: ), you're better off doing it online at Paddy Power or the likes. E.g. pick three numbers, 250/1 (iirc).

YFlyer

Why bother playing. €185 million is only the most you can win.

hatrickpatrick

Point is, if you're going to have to do that then why not just go down to the newsagent and play there?
It's like, the whole reason for playing online is for convenience, rules like this negate any benefit of playing online so the whole exercise becomes useless.

dpe

cesc77 wrote: »

Thought you could play if you were 16,or is that just UK?

I didnt have to send off documents in the post to register.I was able to do so in 10 mins through the national lottery website.





Sure tell me your numbers and Ill do them for you.

Promise:pac:

16 in the UK, and you don't need to do any of that postal crap to register. Unfortunately, I can't do the Euromillions on there any more because they only allow UK IP addresses (its because of all the Chinese lottery syndicates), which is why I thought it would be convienient to use lotto.ie. Fool that I was.

Cereal Rapist

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

The one that created the law stating you have to be over 18 to play the lotto

Makes perfect sense.

Well you have to be 18 to gamble too but you can set up an account on paddy power or betfair in about 5 minutes and bet instantly.

Bandana boy

it negates it once though -and then easy street for the rest of your life

prinz

dpe wrote: »

Its funny how just about every lottery and gambling site in the world seems to manage without people running around sticking letters in the post.

Other national lottery sites use national databases etc... so are going to be looking at your passport/ID in some form anyway. If our national lottery was doing that you'd have someone complaining about people accessing your information. Most other gambling sites couldn't give a toss because they are under no obligation to pay out anything.

ScumLord

They don't take debit on the site either.

I couldn't find any how to play guides either, that euromillions makes no sense.

Galway K9

Its idiocy doing the lotto

TheZohanS

Lotto...a tax on the poor...and the stupid...

TheMilkyPirate

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

The one that created the law stating you have to be over 18 to play the lotto

Makes perfect sense.

Eh, No it doesn't.

Paddy power, boylesports and plenty of other gambling sites dont require me to get off my arse and go post letters just so i can open an account. What's wrong with verifying a debit/credit card?

I haven't seen a website use a system like this in years! It's bollox.

cesc77

dpe wrote: »

16 in the UK, and you don't need to do any of that postal crap to register. Unfortunately, I can't do the Euromillions on there any more because they only allow UK IP addresses (its because of all the Chinese lottery syndicates), which is why I thought it would be convienient to use lotto.ie. Fool that I was.

Sure post the numbers you wouldve done up here so that we can all go through the experience together when they are drawn.

Can you imagine if they came up and your documents for registration were in the post?:pac:

Mr. Manager

Saige Harsh Drink wrote: »

Well you have to be 18 to gamble too but you can set up an account on paddy power or betfair in about 5 minutes and bet instantly.

Doesn't make it acceptable.

Kids are using their parents credit cards to deposit, running up huge bills which in turn are then chargedback.

Lotto are going about it the right way.

YFlyer

TheZohan wrote: »

Lotto...a tax on the poor...and the stupid...

.......for the benefit of the middle class.

Mr. Manager

baraca wrote: »

Eh, No it doesn't.

Paddy power, boylesports and plenty of other gambling sites dont require me to get off my arse and go post letters just so i can open an account. What's wrong with verifying a debit/credit card?

I haven't seen a website use a system like this in years! It's bollox.

See my above post.

Biggins

baraca wrote: »

...I haven't seen a website use a system like this in years! It's bollox.

Yip.

You can join any number of sex sites right away, any number of independent gambling on-line organisations right away, join a great number of adult related stuff - but heaven forbid you wanted to do the Irish lotto! :pac:

prinz

baraca wrote: »

Eh, No it doesn't.
Paddy power, boylesports and plenty of other gambling sites dont require me to get off my arse and go post letters just so i can open an account. What's wrong with verifying a debit/credit card?I haven't seen a website use a system like this in years! It's bollox.

The National Lottery is not established or run under the same laws and regulations as Paddy Power and the likes.

ScumLord

prinz wrote: »

The National Lottery is not established or run under the same laws and regulations as Paddy Power and the likes.

It probably should. What difference does it make if a 15 year old buys a ticket if they can't claim it?

Mr. Manager

In fairness, all sites offering services to those 18+ should have screening processes like this in place.

Biggins

prinz wrote: »

The National Lottery is not established or run under the same laws and regulations as Paddy Power and the likes.

Indeed. One is more modern (however argument over effectiveness) in procedural processing - the other, well thats a rarity in older slower processing.
...Thankfully one thats not adopted world-wide.

...And lets be honest, if a kid is going to steal a parents credit card, he/she is going to use it probably 99 times out of 100 in the use of accessing porn - not chasing after 6 Irish balls! :pac:

prinz

ScumLord wrote: »

It probably should. What difference does it make if a 15 year old buys a ticket if they can't claim it?

Perhaps because of it's connections to the State itself, they don't want the state/government to be seen as encouraging gambling by kids/teens.

Condatis

They won't let you sign on with a Laser Card because those cards can issued to people under 18.

But if you have to send in ID why the ban on Laser Cards?

seamus

ScumLord wrote: »

It probably should. What difference does it make if a 15 year old buys a ticket if they can't claim it?

The fact that it was sold to them in the first place.

What's different about paddy power is that all wins will be credited to an account. The issue of who is using that account is not really relevant.

With the lotto, any significant wins must be collected in person. So if a 16 year old rocks up to claim €185 million, there are going to be red faces.

For Paddy Power's purposes, their lives are made easier if they don't ask. They do however retain the right to request proof of ID.

Afaik, the lotto can also only be claimed by Irish residents. I could be wrong though.

Cereal Rapist

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Doesn't make it acceptable.

Kids are using their parents credit cards to deposit, running up huge bills which in turn are then chargedback.

Lotto are going about it the right way.

No its nanny state crap, the gambling sites are doing it right. I would say the number of under 18's stealing their parents credit cards and setting up an account is tiny and the number running up massive bills is non existent.

Mr. Manager

Saige Harsh Drink wrote: »

No its nanny state crap, the gambling sites are doing it right. I would say the number of under 18's stealing their parents credit cards and setting up an account is tiny and the number running up massive bills non existent.

I work for an online gaming company and can tell you that that is absolutely not true.

prinz

There are pros and cons with the National Lottery running differently to other gambling sites. Apparently people want all the pros and none of the cons.

If you have a valid winning lottery ticket the National Lottery isn't going refuse you the pay out. If you have a winning betslip with Paddy Power there's nothing stopping them from telling you wipe your backside with it and not pay over a penny.

Guy:Incognito

c_man wrote: »

If you must play ( :pac: ), you're better off doing it online at Paddy Power or the likes. E.g. pick three numbers, 250/1 (iirc).

Not bad. Stick on €740,000 and you have a shot at €185m.

Bookies are better for most prizes, but the lack of the big jackpot is a turn off.

cesc77

Biggins wrote: »

Indeed. One is more modern (however argument over effectiveness) in procedural processing - the other, well thats a rarity in older slower processing.
...Thankfully one thats not adopted world-wide.

...And lets be honest, if a kid is going to steal a parents credit card, he/she is going to use it probably 99 times out of 100 in the use of accessing porn - not chasing after 6 irish balls! :pac:

Too.....many.....jokes.....:D

As a pedant I have to point out that the balls in question arent Irish,but are euro balls and there are 7,not 6:P

*unless you were referring to the irish lottery,and if so ignore the attempted smartarsery above*

ScumLord

prinz wrote: »

Perhaps because of it's connections to the State itself, they don't want the state/government to be seen as encouraging gambling by kids/teens.

The nanny state again. :rolleyes:

ShooterSF

By the way gaming sites do ask for ID regularly. However they are up with the times enough to realise a scanned copy emailed to them is more convenient for the customer than posting a copy.

(Coming from someone who has signed up to plenty of gambling and casino sites (over 100) )

dpe

prinz wrote: »

Other national lottery sites use national databases etc... so are going to be looking at your passport/ID in some form anyway. If our national lottery was doing that you'd have someone complaining about people accessing your information. Most other gambling sites couldn't give a toss because they are under no obligation to pay out anything.

Nonsense. The UK one doesn't. It may check the validity of your credit card, but that's standard e-commerce fraud management. The stupid thing is the post thing doesn't prevent fraud anyway; if a kid can nick your credit card, they can nick your passport.

CrazyRabbit

Can anyone help me? I need a fake photocopy of a drivers licence or passport.

Thanks!

strokemyclover

baraca wrote: »

Eh, No it doesn't.

Paddy power, boylesports and plenty of other gambling sites dont require me to get off my arse and go post letters just so i can open an account. What's wrong with verifying a debit/credit card?

I haven't seen a website use a system like this in years! It's bollox.

Sky Poker currently asks you to do this (well it did 6 months ago when I tried to sign up) and one other site I can't remember the name of, it wasn't Irish though.

I do agree it is bo**ox

kylith

I signed up on lotto.ie and had no issue with verifying my age and identity.

However, I do have an issue with the fact that I can't so much as check my lotto between 11pm and 7am. WTF? Do they have someone manually checking my ticket or something?

dxhound2005

dpe wrote: »

Nonsense. The UK one doesn't. It may check the validity of your credit card, but that's standard e-commerce fraud management. The stupid thing is the post thing doesn't prevent fraud anyway; if a kid can nick your credit card, they can nick your passport.

Would be a bit pointless seeing an under 18 who went to all this trouble wouldn't be able to claim their prize anyway.

And going back to the OP imagine the fuss if a 7 year old signed up without being asked to prove their age and then won €185 million.

weldoninhio

seamus wrote: »

The fact that it was sold to them in the first place.

What's different about paddy power is that all wins will be credited to an account. The issue of who is using that account is not really relevant.

With the lotto, any significant wins must be collected in person. So if a 16 year old rocks up to claim €185 million, there are going to be red faces.

For Paddy Power's purposes, their lives are made easier if they don't ask. They do however retain the right to request proof of ID.

Afaik, the lotto can also only be claimed by Irish residents. I could be wrong though.

Nonsense, how often on winning streak is there some parent playing on behalf of a kid thats too young, and they tell the story at the start??? I'd watch Winning Streak very rarely, but i've seen it at least 3 times.

Biggins

dxhound2005 wrote: »

...imagine the fuss if a 7 year old signed up without being asked to prove their age and then won €185 million.

If a 7 year old can go through the process of filling in the web application sections and get credit card details, understand the whole lot and enter the relevant data - he/she will be able understand the text "you have to be 18 to play and claim prize" or words to that effect!

NomdePlume

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And going back to the OP imagine the fuss if a 7 year old signed up without being asked to prove their age and then won €185 million.

There'd be bigger fuss when they go into their nearest shop asking for 18 billion, 500 million penny sweets...

hmmm

They also have this stupid limit on the number of draws you can enter. What is the point, do they think I'm checking the lotto site every week to make sure my ticket hasn't expired.