Frank Duffy 10m - 20/08/2011

rovers_runner

New route this year:
http://dublinmarathon.ie/map+instructions11_10mile.pdf

No Kyber pass...
Miles 1-3 and 6-9 are almost completely flat or downhill.
Means they will be keeping the park closed for a long time as they use the main avenue many times over course of the race.

RayCun

3 stars (average)

rovers_runner wrote: »

Means they will be keeping the park closed for a long time as they use the main avenue many times over course of the race.

Unless they're sending us along the footpath in the sixth mile?

Very flat course though.

average_runner

The S bends and wellington Rd will catch a few but definite PB course.

Not too different to last year which i met. Last time i ran it it was 2 loops of miltary hill; etc!!!

After half way you can totally attack the course!!

rovers_runner

RayCun wrote: »

Unless they're sending us along the footpath in the sixth mile?

Very flat course though.

That would make sense, road closures from Aras to lamps cross.

RayCun

3 stars (average)

Oh, and the instructions give the wave times

Wave 1 – Runners who wish to run sub 85 minutes
Wave 2 – Runners who wish to run between 85 and 105 mins
Wave 3 – Runners who wish to run 105 minutes plus

Caprica

4 stars (good)

Thats a pretty fair course, it's very PB friendly. There will be a bit of a drag up Acres road to the finish but before that you will have 4 miles flat/downhill miles. Glad they are going with the wave starts.

Brianderunner

3 stars (average)

B!tch of a hill there coming up to acres road. The last mile will be painful. Preferred last years course.

menoscemo

Brianderunner wrote: »

B!tch of a hill there coming up to acres road. The last mile will be painful. Preferred last years course.

Yes, it is not an easy course like people are saying IMO. Just because we don't go up the Kyber doesn't make it easy. on the first lap we have to take the same rise up the wellington Rd (quite steep here) and it's a gradual drag up the chesterfield av to the monument. On the second lap the part from the hospital up to the Acres rd is probably the sharpest hill in the whole park (though admittedly short).- Give me the Kyber over this any day.

That said, I'll be racing this and hoping for a PB.

Pronator

4 stars (good)

In fairness to the organisers, this is a good route. You won't get a flat 10 mile run in the park.:rolleyes:

With some 6,300 entrants in the 5 mile race, presume there will be more in the 10 and half marathon (going by last yrs entry), how long can it be before they have to take this race series out of the park and onto the streets of Dublin?:eek:

chinguetti

2 stars (poor)

Agree that its a tough course and from 4 to the Aras roundabout is a long drag of a hill. Loved last years course and set a pb.

As for taking it outside the Park, they could use the the Park side of the road from Chapelizod gate to Islandbridge gate as the start point so at least a mile at the start would be on a straight enough road and thin the crowd before they go up the Kyber/Chesterfield.

rainbow kirby

Because I'm not doing it this year, they should take it up Knockmaroon Hill :pac:

Nules10

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Because I'm not doing it this year, they should take it up Knockmaroon Hill :pac:

you are way too funny

az2wp0sye65487

4 stars (good)

Looks a decent route to me. The first 4 miles are almost identical to the route that the Irish Runner 5 mile race took at the weekend.

Looking forward to it!

folan

after missing the 5, so this will be a bigger deal for me. looks to be a flatter course and should really help me on the way to beating last years time. though that shouldnt be hard in fairness!

i dont think ive run up Wellington or acres rd before? are they tough? Id assume acres isnt from my (limited) memory of the park.

Tec Diver

3 stars (average)

Looks like a good course, not flat though. Wonder if the wave start will be as "interesting" as the 5 mile?
On the second lap, at least the crowd should have spread out a bit and not be too bunched up.

elvis jones

I wondering if my chip didn't work on sat should i request a new one just in case

RayCun

3 stars (average)

elvis jones wrote: »

I wondering if my chip didn't work on sat should i request a new one just in case

AFAIK there's no connection between your 5 mile chip and 10 mile chip

Brianderunner

3 stars (average)

RayCun wrote: »

AFAIK there's no connection between your 5 mile chip and 10 mile chip

Same chips same company. Why wouldnt they be flawed next time out?

28064212

Brianderunner wrote: »

Same chips same company. Why wouldnt they be flawed next time out?

He means that if your 5 mile chip didn't work, it doesn't make it more likely that your 10 mile chip won't work

RayCun

3 stars (average)

Brianderunner wrote: »

Same chips same company. Why wouldnt they be flawed next time out?

But why would his chips be flawed? If 10% of the chips are dodgy, is there any reason to suppose he has more than a 10% chance of getting a dodgy chip for the 10 mile?

RacoonQueen

chinguetti wrote: »

Agree that its a tough course and from 4 to the Aras roundabout is a long drag of a hill. Loved last years course and set a pb.

As for taking it outside the Park, they could use the the Park side of the road from Chapelizod gate to Islandbridge gate as the start point so at least a mile at the start would be on a straight enough road and thin the crowd before they go up the Kyber/Chesterfield.

Gates are very narrow though, that would cause a massive bottle neck trying to get into the park via the Islandbridge gate, they could bring it all the way around to the NCR gate though.

Brianderunner

3 stars (average)

RayCun wrote: »

But why would his chips be flawed? If 10% of the chips are dodgy, is there any reason to suppose he has more than a 10% chance of getting a dodgy chip for the 10 mile?

Chances are there was a bad batch and he would have got 3 of those most likely.

ForrestGimp

The 5 mile on Sat was my first ever race. A couple of us signed up to do it pretty much at the last minute (before the entry closed). I had about 3 weeks training and finished in 38:18. I was aiming for 5 minute KMs but i got a bit carried away on the day Still i thought that was a decent time for my first ever race! Now that i have a bit more time before the 10 mile race i was wondering what kind of time should i be aiming for? Would 5 minute KMs be average for a 10 mile race or should i be aiming for much faster? :eek:

folan

depends more on you than anythinig. Im aiming for 6 min KMs. 5 min KMs isnt exactly slow. Just be careful your not killing yourself doing that.

RayCun

3 stars (average)

Double your time and add 10%? Or take a look at the McMillan calculator, it says 80.27

PaulieYifter

ForrestGimp wrote: »

The 5 mile on Sat was my first ever race. A couple of us signed up to do it pretty much at the last minute (before the entry closed). I had about 3 weeks training and finished in 38:18. I was aiming for 5 minute KMs but i got a bit carried away on the day Still i thought that was a decent time for my first ever race! Now that i have a bit more time before the 10 mile race i was wondering what kind of time should i be aiming for? Would 5 minute KMs be average for a 10 mile race or should i be aiming for much faster? :eek:

To give you an idea: http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm

Based on your 5 mile time this suggests you should target 5 min/km so good estimate on your part. This assumes appropriate training for it.

Good run by the way - well done.

[Jeez - Ray got there before me - he's almost as fast on the boards as he is on the roads]

ForrestGimp

Ok so, that makes sense. I have a target to go for now. Thanks.

On another note, in the discussion on the 5 miler there was a lot of talk about using gels and not using gels, that 5 miles was too short to use gels. Im gathering the 10 mile race is a different
animal and gels and all that malarkey would be beneficial at some point during the race.

az2wp0sye65487

4 stars (good)

RayCun wrote: »

Double your time and add 10%? Or take a look at the McMillan calculator, it says 80.27

I dunno... According to that - based on my 5 mile time at the weekend it says I should be doing a 3.30 marathon...

I'm aiming to do this years DCM in 3.45 - after completing last year's in 4.09...

menoscemo

Jaime Beautiful Pellet wrote: »

I dunno... According to that - based on my 5 mile time at the weekend it says i should be doing a 3.30 marathon...

Most people find it pretty accurate up to Half Marathon Distance.
For marathons, you really need to have been putting in serious mileage over many years for the McMillan calculator to be accurate (IMO).

RayCun

3 stars (average)

Jaime Beautiful Pellet wrote: »

I dunno... According to that - based on my 5 mile time at the weekend it says I should be doing a 3.30 marathon...

It does assume that you've done the training for each event. And obviously the closer the distances are, the better the comparison will be. 5 mile -> 10 mile will give you a better prediction than 5 mile -> 26.2 miles.

PaulieYifter

Jaime Beautiful Pellet wrote: »

I dunno... According to that - based on my 5 mile time at the weekend it says i should be doing a 3.30 marathon...

Clearly it is absurd to use it to simply extrapolate from a 5 mile time to a marathon time. Read what the site says about using it.

I find it especially useful to help with training paces for my targets.

It is also a good guide to see where you are on your training curve for a marathon if you include a few races in your plan - especially if you run a 10 miler or half marathon 5 or 6 weeks before race day.

Johnnio13

3 stars (average)

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Gates are very narrow though, that would cause a massive bottle neck trying to get into the park via the Islandbridge gate, they could bring it all the way around to the NCR gate though.

In 2005 or 6 I remember leaving the park for this. Out the chapelizod gate I think and back in Chesterfield. There is an incline from the main gate that is a complete bitch at the 6mile mark I think.

ThePiedPiper

ForrestGimp wrote: »

On another note, in the discussion on the 5 miler there was a lot of talk about using gels and not using gels, that 5 miles was too short to use gels. Im gathering the 10 mile race is a different
animal and gels and all that malarkey would be beneficial at some point during the race.

There's really no need for gels or any such malarkey on a ten miler either. For one thing, if you've trained for the distance at all properly, then your body should have well over 10 miles worth of energy in glycogen reserves. It's well established that glycogen reserves don't generally run dry until 17-20 miles.

It also takes a couple of miles for gels to kick in so again, it's a bit dramatic taking them.

That's not to say that there would be no placebo effect to taking them. If a person feels they can kick on from a slump after taking a gel, then no reason not to take them.

My experience would be that in races of half marathon or less, the increased speed I'm running at would put too much pressure on abdominal muscles to consider taking much liquid or any gels on board. I'm pretty sure I would've gotten physically sick or severe stomach cramps in the 5 miler had I drank any water.

However, it's horses for courses. You'll see plenty of people in 10k events with a belt of gels, drinks, etc.

Johnnio13

3 stars (average)

I am not going to mention Gels again

I will however be investing in a water belt. They look cool.

ForrestGimp

Oh right interesting, i'll take that on board so. I didnt use any of that stuff myself now but i did see people after about 2 miles necking some and it made me wonder.

RacoonQueen

Johnnio13 wrote: »

In 2005 or 6 I remember leaving the park for this. Out the chapelizod gate I think and back in Chesterfield. There is an incline from the main gate that is a complete bitch at the 6mile mark I think.

Was it not quite a sharp turn coming back into the park from Conyngham road? I was going to mention going in that gate but the pavement hopping would cause all sorts of moaning on here. :pac:

Much smaller field back in 2006 too, my first time doing the series in 2007 there was only 2500 or so in the 5 mile... :eek:

PDCAT

4 stars (good)

Booked into this race today. Hoping to go sub 1.20.

misty floyd

4 stars (good)

Johnnio13 wrote: »

I will however be investing in a water belt. They look cool.

No, they look anything but cool batman.

rovers_runner

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Was it not quite a sharp turn coming back into the park from Conyngham road? I was going to mention going in that gate but the pavement hopping would cause all sorts of moaning on here. :pac:

Much smaller field back in 2006 too, my first time doing the series in 2007 there was only 2500 or so in the 5 mile... :eek:

Ah 2007, those were the days, most of the country were still preoccupied with furniture stores in retail parks and camping out overnight to buy houses from plans.

The rest of us knew where to be.

pdiddyw

Does anyone have a screenshot of last years map or remember it?
I ran it but struggling to remember the course route?
I think it started on Chesterfield Avenue and then turned at the zoo and up North Road?
After that I'm not sure. Is this right?, my memory is shot!!!

Thanks

RacoonQueen

pdiddyw wrote: »

Does anyone have a screenshot of last years map or remember it?
I ran it but struggling to remember the course route?
I think it started on Chesterfield Avenue and then turned at the zoo and up North Road?
After that I'm not sure. Is this right?, my memory is shot!!!

Thanks

Here ya go

Spunderbungle

Think I prefer last year's route. Not a fan of running Chesterfield Avenue away from Houston.

WHIP IT!

Entered. No going back now! Considering 5.8 miles is the most I'ver run in one go, I better up the training!!

Buck

3 stars (average)

I've entered too. Really enjoyed the 5 mile race so I decided to give this one a go. Am following Hal Higdon's training plan since I haven't run further than 7 miles before. Not really worried about my time, I'm just hoping that I don't have to walk any of the race.

pconn062

4 stars (good)

RayCun wrote: »

Oh, and the instructions give the wave times

Race organisers always publish these pace groups but it never seems to make any difference!

corny

RunForestRun wrote: »

However, it's horses for courses. You'll see plenty of people in 10k events with a belt of gels, drinks, etc.

I heard a girl ask one of the marshals, halfway round a 4 mile race, is there no water station? The sound of panic in her voice amazed me.:)

I think there are some people who genuinely believe they are not capable of travelling a couple of miles without some sort of crutch.

Tec Diver

3 stars (average)

Yea Corny,
Given that I saw 3 people with Camelbaks on the 5 miler I'd have to agree. They didn't look like they were doing it as part of a LSR.

RacoonQueen

We didn't have a call your time section in the 5 miler thread.

Call your time:
RQ - 75:01

elvis jones

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Call your time:
RQ - 75:01
EJ - 89-59

WHIP IT!

elvis jones wrote: »

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Call your time:
RQ - 75:01
EJ - 89-59

Newb Q: But this is where we guess what our finishing time in the 10-mile will be, correct??

Ok...

Call your time:
RQ - 75:01
EJ - 89:59
WHIP IT! 85:00

folan

Call your time:
RQ - 75:01
EJ - 89:59
WHIP IT! 85:00
folan - 95:00