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Just wondering about Robbie's dog food. Some of the posts on this thread have given the food good comments.
I have my dogs on Burns - they like it but I am wondering should I change it to Robbie's. Burns is a very plain food, whereas Robbie's has more ingredients that might make the food more interesting. Also its better value than Burns.
Funnily enough when I google Land Of Holistics/Robbie's I don't get back much information. In one way this is a good thing i.e. no bad comments, but in another way where are all the good reviews?
I am wondering should I change food or is it best left as is? What do you think?
TBH I only changed because he was getting Robbies/Luath at day care and Burns at home and chopping and changing between the two wasn't agreeing with him. It made a huge difference to his coat - really really shiny and thicker - I'd tried salmon oil and sprays when he was on Burns but his coat was always really dull. Also the poos were much better. Then last time I got a bag of Luath they had no chicken flavor left so I got the lamb and his poos are better than ever so I'll stick to lamb from now on! I give him Luath most days and Robbies as a treat at the weekend or after his hydro
He LOVES the Robbies!! If eg I make it up before we go for a walk he charges in the door we get back and and sits at the counter waiting for it lol!! 0 -
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Has anyone got any information on Royal Canin? I was going to get Burns but there wasn't a light version so decided on RC light instead but will change if anyone knows anything negative about it...
Burns is already light because it has a low percentage of protein. I wouldn't rate royal canin too highly - my guy was hyper on it and always getting the runs! If you look at the ingrediants it contains lots of fillers - I prefer to have a list of simple ingrediants and I know what they all are!
You can buy burns on zooplus.ie/zooplus.co.uk (compare the two sites as one is usually cheaper that the other) or there may be a vet near you who stocks it? 0 -
After my shocking realisation today that I am not doing my little dog any favours by feeding her Pedigree Complete, I thought I would switch to Robbies as it seemed to be such a popular choice. Unfortunately, it is not available where I live and it isn't practical for me to make a monthly 6 hour round trip to get it.
Just order it online from the Mobile Pet Shop? That's what I do. 0 -
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Has anyone got any information on Royal Canin? I was going to get Burns but there wasn't a light version so decided on RC light instead but will change if anyone knows anything negative about it...
Royal Canin food is a good food, but I find it overpriced for what you get. Burns "High Oats" is designed for pudgy dogs and helps get ther wieght off them. Don't worry about buying the RC though, use it and once you finish the bag you can buy another food. Another good brand, that does a good light version, is James Wellbeloved (just so you know!).
Also, on the whole Pedigree situation - first off, good on you for switching - don't beat yourself up too much about it, you're on the right path now! 0 -
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It's a niche product from a small company, most people haven't heard of it. Really most people hear about it through word of mouth.
As some you may have guessed from my previous posts I like checking out different dog foods to find the best one. I also like emailing food manufacturers for information. Anyways I emailed George Burns asking him could he give me good reasons for switching from Burns to Robbie's. A bit cheeky.
His response is below. I am not sure whether to change. Robbie's seems like a really good food. Some people say if your dog is happy on a food don't change. What I have to figure out is Robbie's a better food than Burns and worth the change. What do you think?
"Hello Paul,
You are asking me if you should change foods! I changed company does that not say enough?
Tooth tarter is usually caused by food stagnating in the gut and then backing up over the teeth and gums. As for your dogs eating Pop - read here - http://www.landofholisticpets.co.uk/dog_eating_poop.html
The advantages of Robbie's over all dried kibble .
1. Less processing means more of the nutrients available for your dog.
2. Less precessing means strengthening the digestive system ( Dogs starting on Robbie's struggle to digest the carrots - after a few weeks problem resolved)
3. Generally and far greater range of appropriate vegetables and herbs = means dog less likely to lack chlorophyll in the diet.
4. All swelling of food takes place in the bowl therefore no requirement to draw on body fluids to digest food. = Less likelihood for gastric torsion/bloat
5. Dogs are more satisfied with less food simply because moisture is included in the diet.
6. Thermal balance of the ingredients - Hot, cool, moist and dry - See here for fuller explanation http://www.landofholisticpets.co.uk/Holistic Nutrition for dogs - a Brief Explanation 2011.pdf
7. As above - balance of acid/ alkaline relationship
8. There are many more advantages but I prefer owners to point them out and express as you have already heard. Read between the lines - http://www.landofholisticpets.co.uk/Testimonial Sheelagh.pdf
Robbie's Holistic Cuisine is blended in our own premise in Kilmarnock, Scotland. We only make small amounts at a time - 200kg or 20 x 10kg bags. This ensures we get the blend correct
and consistent. Each ingredient is weighed out individually to ensure the proportions are correct every time. We used to have Robbie's made in the same plant that Burns was made but had nothing but problems with consistency and quality. Money was the determining factor to them!
Hope this helps
George Burns"0 -
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I suppose one downside Paul is that Robbies isn't as widely available as Burns. You'll have to order it online, most likely.
That said, I've had my dogs on a range of good foods, including Burns, Arden Grange, Orijen and James Wellbeloved - and yet there was a marked jump in both their energy levels and body condition when I switched to Robbies.
Mary Strauss and other canine nutritionists advocate switching brands every now and then. So even if you don't go with Robbies, it's good to rotate foods rather than feeding the one brand of kibble all their lives. Mary Strauss has just written a good article on this, here:
http://www.dogaware.com/articles/dwswitching.html0 -
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You're not comparing like with like though, Paul. Bear in mind that 10kg of dry Robbies makes 20kg of food. Burns works out at €3 per kilo of food; rehydrated Robbies works out at €2.75 per kilo of food.
Robbies feeding guidelines: 8-10g per kg bodyweight.
Burns feeding guidelines: 10g per kg bodyweight.
So actually Robbies works out cheaper!
boomerang, I haven't had any coffee yet today so I am struggling with the calculations!
Anyways, I know what what you are saying about soaking the food and doubling in size. Its just one of the emails I sent to George Burns I asked about feeding guidelines:-
"Hi Paul,
Every dog is different - as a starting point I suggest 10g of dry food per KG of body weight.
Older dogs require less, younger, very active dogs may require more.
George"
So regardless of the food doubling in size after soaking I would still need to measure out 10g/kg of dried Robbie's. Am I right in saying that?
So my dogs (3 cockers) get in total 340g/day.
Burns:
15kg/340g => 1 bag will last 44 days => 8 bags/year @ €45 = €360
Robbie's:
10kg/340g => 1 bag will last 29 days => 12 bags/year @ €55 = 660
So Burns works out at €3/kg. Robbie's €5.50/kg (dry) and €2.75/kg (wet).
But its 10g/kg of dry food that I measure out for each dog so it's €5.50/kg that applies not €2.75/kg.
That's how I calculate it! Now I am off to get some coffee!
EDIT: Also have you seen this link? It compares the cost per kg for Robbie's and Luath. Surely this compares dry food to dry food.
http://www.landofholisticpets.ie/Dog_feeding_costs.html
Robbie's €5.52/kg
Luath: €3.74/kg0 -
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