Fluoridation of Our Water Supply

robman60

What is your opinion on this? Most "professionals" are in agreement that it can have detrimental effects for our health, with very few benefits. It's purpose is dental health for teenagers, but it can cause dental fluoridosis (can't remember exact name) and therefore, damage dental health! It is also thought to increase risk of Alzheimer's disease and irritable bowel syndrome, and cancer, to mention but a few.

We're now the only country in Europe to add it to our water supply, which should be an indication of the potential harm it can cause, and it's imported from Spain as a toxic waste product.

I don't know if this is the correct section in which to post this, but I feel it's not just a medical issue. I find it bizarre that this is added to our water with little or no benefits, and huge risks. Our government should consider discontinuing the addition of fluoride to our water now, in my opinion.


Thoughts?

General General

robman60 wrote: »

What is your opinion on this? Most "professionals" are in agreement that it can have detrimental effects for our health, with very few benefits. It's purpose is dental health for teenagers, but it can cause dental fluoridosis (can't remember exact name) and therefore, damage dental health! It is also thought to increase risk of Alzheimer's disease and irritable bowel syndrome, and cancer, to mention but a few.

We're now the only country in Europe to add it to our water supply, which should be an indication of the potential harm it can cause, and it's imported from Spain as a toxic waste product.

I don't know if this is the correct section in which to post this, but I feel it's not just a medical issue. I find it bizarre that this is added to our water with little or no benefits, and huge risks. Our government should consider discontinuing the addition of fluoride to our water now, in my opinion.


Thoughts?

You get this thought during the physical act of love? ...a profound sense of fatigue fell on you? Yeah.

Ruire

General General wrote: »

You get this thought during the physical act of love? ...a profound sense of fatigue fell on you? Yeah.

It's all about the purity of essence.

Thatnastyboy

Its not for your teeth,

It's a mind control agent. :eek:

Solnskaya

From a purely engineering point of view, flouride is a toxic by product of industrial production systems. Its dear to get rid of, unless a "use" can be "found". Toothpaste is that "find". Enjoy.

ballsymchugh

oooh this again.

one question, why is professionals in inverted commas? do they not get paid?

robman60

Solnskaya wrote: »

From a purely engineering point of view, flouride is a toxic by product of industrial production systems. Its dear to get rid of, unless a "use" can be "found". Toothpaste is that "find". Enjoy.

But toothpaste isn't actually consumed, water is. It has no consequences in toothpaste, I think.

robman60

ballsymchugh wrote: »

oooh this again.

one question, why is professionals in inverted commas? do they not get paid?

I just said that because the term professional is thrown around a bit casually these days. :pac:

ItsAWindUp

It's a sedative isn't it? Pretty dodgy.

animan

Conspiracy theories is that way-->

Solnskaya

robman60 wrote: »

But toothpaste isn't actually consumed, water is. It has no consequences in toothpaste, I think.

absolutly correct, because you spit it "all" out, don't you. :rolleyes:
If most people knew the toxic sh1t that is contained in a lot of what we eat, drink and use, they would still not give a damn, because -look, man-u are 2-1 up.

squod

robman60 wrote: »

Thoughts?

I still get tooth ache if I don't brush my teeth. Ergo, it's not working. Fluoridation is at least a waste of money.

Solnskaya

squod wrote: »

I still get tooth ache if I don't brush my teeth. Ergo, it's not working. Flouridisation is at least a waste of money.

no, its a money for waste. Theres a difference.

Oranage2

I can see by this thread that the fluoridation has already taken effect - probably best save yourself OP -

ballsymchugh

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

It's a sedative isn't it? Pretty dodgy.

no.

Guy:Incognito

robman60 wrote: »

But toothpaste isn't actually consumed, water is. It has no consequences in toothpaste, I think.

It has no consequence in water either because the amount is a tiny fraction of the concentrate thats in toothpaste, but sure carry on anyway.

Maybe a merge with the CT thread is the best place for this?

Son Of A Vidic

Does this Fluoridation cause apathy? Because it might explain how this nation rolls over and takes it up the ass quiet frequently.

Solnskaya

Naah, a conspiracy is a strange view held by a few against the opinion of the majority, flouridation of water is a strange practice done by a few(1) against the better judgement of everyone else. Sure it does the poor, dumb paddy kids good - their teeth would all fall out without it. And its not toothpaste we're talking about dummies, its the water, and you drink that, you tend not to spit it out. And your kids drink it, and so don't mine, cos I drilled a well so they wouldn't have to. But then I'm rich, and poison is really only for the lower orders:rolleyes:

robman60

animan wrote: »

Conspiracy theories is that way-->

I considered that, but it has risen above conspiracy when it has medical evidence to back it.

Solnskaya

Anybody who clings to the idea that anything the Irish Govt decides, decrees or insists on is a world beating decision is sorely deluded. Between bailing out the banks and drugging the water with **** everyone else can't get rid of, they really are some bunch of tossers. No doubt a nice kickback is involved somewhere.

kirving

Sure isn't chlorine lethal in certain circumstances too, and thats added to water in swimmping pools and stuff.

Maybe it's added to aid dental health because in general, Irish people don't care about it as much as in other countries. Maybe thats to do with the cost of dentists here.

Solnskaya

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Sure isn't chlorine lethal in certain circumstances too, and thats added to water in swimmping pools and stuff.

Maybe it's added to aid dental health because in general, Irish people don't care about it as much as in other countries. Maybe thats to do with the cost of dentists here.

Yes, because we are all backwards.:rolleyes:

Torres9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=OcHNYenN7OY

loike

there was some crazy user who posted about this in conspiracy forum lol, i've never heard of anyone getting sick from it

Solnskaya

And symphaesotimy is a good operation for women to have, its nice when a priest touches you up, planning is best left to our betters, Bankruptcy is evil and must be punished, Buy a house now or get left behind, Nama is the only game in town. Yawns.

Craebear

robman60 wrote: »

We're now the only country in Europe to add it to our water supply, which should be an indication of the potential harm it can cause, and it's imported from Spain as a toxic waste product.

Huh, I had no idea about this. A quick look at wikipedia seems to confirm this. Most countries in europe either never added flouride or ceased years ago. Small amounts of the water supply of Spain + UK have flouride(10%) compared to Ireland (70%+). If it was really as good as we think in Ireland, wouldn't the use be significantly more widespread? I don't like it.

Solnskaya

loike wrote: »

there was some crazy user who posted about this in conspiracy forum lol, i've never heard of anyone getting sick from it

Yeah, its not on death certs much -"died from flouride poisoning". You must be right. Ever wondered if it might cause seemingly unrelated illnesses?? That make people dead??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ItsAWindUp

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Does this Fluoridation cause apathy? Because it might explain how this nation rolls over and takes it up the ass quiet frequently.

I've thought about that myself actually, you never know!

Mickeroo

robman60 wrote: »

I considered that, but it has risen above conspiracy when it has medical evidence to back it.

Link to some of the evidence please. Peer reviewed scientific journals if possible.

Solnskaya wrote: »

Anybody who clings to the idea that anything the Irish Govt decides, decrees or insists on is a world beating decision is sorely deluded. Between bailing out the banks and drugging the water with **** everyone else can't get rid of, they really are some bunch of tossers. No doubt a nice kickback is involved somewhere.

Wikipedia says The US, Canada, Australia and The UK put fluoride in their water too.

Kevin Irving wrote: »

Sure isn't chlorine lethal in certain circumstances too, and thats added to water in swimmping pools and stuff.

Yea Chlorine is only lethal in gas form.

Solnskaya

Mickeroo wrote: »

Link to some of the evidence please. Peer reviewed scientific journals if possible.



Wikipedia says The US, Canada, Australia and The UK put fluoride in their water too.

Indeed they do. In "poorer areas", to "aid dental health":D You just have to marvel at the innocence thats out there! By the way, anybody worked at any of the "water treatment plants" we have?? I have, and they are total, utter and feckin complete antiques, relics of a bygone age. Them and adding toxins to the water supply,"for our own good". Always worry when somthing is being done "for your own good". It seldom is. Anyhoo, carry on, nobodys going to take this seriously and I don't care, like I said, I drilled a well. Drink up.
edit:tap water kills goldfish yeah? Ye all know this, the kids brought home that fish they won, you popped it in a bowl of the councils best, and it died. Ever wonder why?

Turtwig

Well water by itself is perfectly safe and natural.

Guy:Incognito

Craebear wrote: »

Huh, I had no idea about this. A quick look at wikipedia seems to confirm this. Most countries in europe either never added flouride or ceased years ago. Small amounts of the water supply of Spain + UK have flouride(10%) compared to Ireland (70%+). If it was really as good as we think in Ireland, wouldn't the use be significantly more widespread? I don't like it.

Most other countries also dont drink the water from their taps, they used bottled for the most part.

robman60

Mickeroo wrote: »

Link to some of the evidence please. Peer reviewed scientific journals if possible.

I PUT PROFESSIONAL IN INVERTED COMMAS FOR A REASON.

There are many articles about it. I'm not going to find one for you, because by the time you read this you'll have forgotten what you're talking about as a result of Alzheimer's Disease, caused by your contaminated water supply. Enjoy!

Mickeroo

Solnskaya wrote: »

Indeed they do. In "poorer areas", to "aid dental health":D You just have to marvel at the innocence thats out there! By the way, anybody worked at any of the "water treatment plants" we have?? I have, and they are total, utter and feckin complete antiques, relics of a bygone age. Them and adding toxins to the water supply,"for our own good". Always worry when somthing is being done "for your own good". It seldom is. Anyhoo, carry on, nobodys going to take this seriously and I don't care, like I said, I drilled a well. Drink up.
edit:tap water kills goldfish yeah? Ye all know this, the kids brought home that fish they won, you popped it in a bowl of the councils best, and it died. Ever wonder why?

I'd be perfectly happy to take it seriously if someone would post up some empirical evidence??

robman60 wrote: »

I PUT PROFESSIONAL IN INVERTED COMMAS FOR A REASON.

There are many articles about it. I'm not going to find one for you, because by the time you read this you'll have forgotten what you're talking about as a result of Alzheimer's Disease, caused by your contaminated water supply. Enjoy!

Would the reason be that the professionals you were referring to aren't actual scentists??

Seriously there's no need to be so defensive, I'm not actually countering your argument, I just want you to back it up. I thought since maybe you feel so strongly about it you might actually know something about the subject or be familiar with some actual evidence of what you are implying. Guess I was wrong.

Guy:Incognito

Solnskaya wrote: »

Yeah, its not on death certs much -"died from flouride poisoning". You must be right. Ever wondered if it might cause seemingly unrelated illnesses?? That make people dead??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

But you know all about this and the coroners and other doctors, scientists etc dont?Maybe you should tell them?

Solnskaya wrote: »

edit:tap water kills goldfish yeah? Ye all know this, the kids brought home that fish they won, you popped it in a bowl of the councils best, and it died. Ever wonder why?

Not enough sewage in it? The fish in the sea seem to much prefer large doses of human waste to survive.

Wolfe Tone

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Does this Fluoridation cause apathy? Because it might explain how this nation rolls over and takes it up the ass quiet frequently.

Yes actually lol, or so I've been told.

ItsAWindUp

If they suddenly removed all of the flouride from the system, would we as a nation go through withdrawal symptoms?

robman60

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But you know all about this and the coroners and other doctors, scientists etc dont?

Take it that burnt food causes cancer (I'm neither saying it does or it doesn't, this is merely as a basis to debate). The person's death cert won't say "died from eating burnt toast", it will say "cancer" etc.

In the case of fluoride, Alzheimer's disease is often the way the damage manifests itself, although most Alzheimer's sufferers actually die of pneumonia. This means statistics can hide many observable truths, and shouldn't be taken at face value without further research.

Turtwig

Solnskaya wrote: »

o take this seriously and I don't care, like I said, I drilled a well. Drink up.
edit:tap water kills goldfish yeah? Ye all know this, the kids brought home that fish they won, you popped it in a bowl of the councils best, and it died. Ever wonder why?

Goldfish normally live in the sea, tap water is inherently designed for human consumption. Our bodies are different to Goldfishes. Level of chlorine in tap water can be fatal to a gold fish. There you go. Dechlorinate the water next time and see what happens.:)

Capt'n Midnight

Solnskaya wrote: »

From a purely engineering point of view, flouride is a toxic by product of industrial production systems. Its dear to get rid of, unless a "use" can be "found". Toothpaste is that "find". Enjoy.

And one of the main components table salt was used as a poison gas in world war II

Cars and all electronics in your home are toxic waste waste when you stop using them unless you can convince someone to buy them off you.

non-stick pans are made from flouride BTW

Turtwig

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

And ''chocolate'' can kill ''dogs''. I suppose we're being poisoned/controlled/whatever via chocolate ''as'' well are ''we''?









:rolleyes:

OH my God it's all so clear to me now. Chocolate...of course. How could not I have seen this earlier. They're controlling our minds with Chocolate, but why though? Why??
hmmm

Capt'n Midnight

robman60 wrote: »

What is your opinion on this? Most "professionals" are in agreement that it can have detrimental effects for our health, with very few benefits. It's purpose is dental health for teenagers, but it can cause dental fluoridosis (can't remember exact name) and therefore, damage dental health! It is also thought to increase risk of Alzheimer's disease and irritable bowel syndrome, and cancer, to mention but a few.

We're now the only country in Europe to add it to our water supply, which should be an indication of the potential harm it can cause, and it's imported from Spain as a toxic waste product.

I don't know if this is the correct section in which to post this, but I feel it's not just a medical issue. I find it bizarre that this is added to our water with little or no benefits, and huge risks. Our government should consider discontinuing the addition of fluoride to our water now, in my opinion.

Thoughts?

Buy a filter/drink bottled water instead of parroting unsupported allegations from random sites. Buy Euythemol.

you have not quoted any links from reputible sites (lancet nih vhi) or named any 'professionals'


The Irish dental association is on www.dentist.ie if you want to check out 'professionals'



I'm happy to have fluoride in my water. Though of course young children shouldn't be given too much toothpaste as they may ingest it.


I've had vaccinations that left me a little woosey and sore for a couple of days. But then again I've had measles and that was a lot worse and I wouldn't wish it.

Someday we may have a vaccine against streptococcus mutans

My name is URL

robman60 wrote: »

What is your opinion on this? M

Well my first thought is that they don't use Fluoride in our water.. they use Hexafluorosilicic acid, an inorganic waste compound left over from the production of fertilizers.

My second thought is that these threads never end well. I'm against the mass-medication of the population though, even if it saves the lives of a few spastics that never heard of a toothbrush.

Solnskaya

And last time I checked, eating chocolate is somthing we choose to do. I smoke, but i wouldn't support everyone being forced to do it. Like flouridated water, it's bad for you. Chlorine's not exactly health-giving either, but there you go. Oh look, X factors on.:rolleyes:

suicide_circus

Well it is news to me that we're the only ones in Europe doing it! That sounds pretty dodge tbh!

Logical Fallacy

Solnskaya wrote: »

Naah, a conspiracy is a strange view held by a few against the opinion of the majority, flouridation of water is a strange practice done by a few(1) against the better judgement of everyone else. Sure it does the poor, dumb paddy kids good - their teeth would all fall out without it. And its not toothpaste we're talking about dummies, its the water, and you drink that, you tend not to spit it out. And your kids drink it, and so don't mine, cos I drilled a well so they wouldn't have to. But then I'm rich, and poison is really only for the lower orders:rolleyes:

So explain a Salmon and Crest sandwich then.

My name is URL

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well it is news to me that we're the only ones in Europe doing it! That sounds pretty dodge tbh!

That's Ireland for ya.. rarely ahead of the curve when it comes to rethinking things.

Here's a list of stuff containing fluoride, and the amounts of it within each product

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/Fluoride/F02.pdf

How anyone can actually think that it's still necessary to fluoridate the entire water supply, despite the fact that there's so many other sources of it these days is beyond me.. I'm sure that 50 odd years ago it was the best option. There wasn't such easy access to dentistry back then, and not much of an intake of fluoride from other sources.

Would it not be more effective to identify those most at risk, and work with them to alleviate the problem?

When they discontinued fluoridating water supplies in a Cuban city, they simultaneously introduced rinsing programs in schools. It had a massively positive effect.. the rate of caries in children decreased from 61.6% to 26.3%.

And that's Cuba.. a nation far less well off than Ireland. Of course there are other variables at play, but does such a change in numbers not warrant some scepticism in the practice?

Why not attempt to do what they did? Pro-actively tackle the problem rather than trying to make it go away while ignoring the cause..

Solnskaya

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

So explain a Salmon and Crest sandwich then.

One presumes you intended to write "cress"

Mickeroo

My name is URL wrote: »

That's Ireland for ya.. rarely ahead of the curve when it comes to rethinking things.

Here's a list of stuff containing fluoride, and the amounts of it within each product

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/Fluoride/F02.pdf

How anyone can actually think that it's still necessary to fluoridate the entire water supply, despite the fact that there's so many other sources of it these days is beyond me.. I'm sure that 50 odd years ago it was the best option. There wasn't such easy access to dentistry back then, and not much of an intake of fluoride from other sources.

Would it not be more effective to identify those most at risk, and work with them to alleviate the problem?

When they discontinued fluoridating water supplies in a Cuban city, they simultaneously introduced rinsing programs in schools. It had a massively positive effect.. the rate of caries in children decreased from 61.6% to 26.3%.

And that's Cuba.. a nation far less well off than Ireland. Of course there are other variables at play, but does such a change in numbers not warrant some scepticism in the practice?

Why not attempt to do what they did? Pro-actively tackle the problem rather than trying to make it go away while ignoring the cause..

Finally a post from someone who actually seems to know what they're talking about. I don't think there's any need to fluoridate the water either I just have a problem with sensationalist nonsense.

There's a lot wrong with Cuba but in many ways its way far ahead of some better off countries.

Solnskaya

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Ok, got it. Chocolate isn't relevant, X factor is. Makes prefect sense.

You sure you're a real Doctor?? I thought there were tests and stuff to pass first, ya know, to weed out the thickies etc???

Solnskaya

Mickeroo wrote: »

Finally a post from someone who actually seems to know what they're talking about. I don't think there's any need to fluoridate the water either I just have a problem with sensationalist nonsense.

There's a lot wrong with Cuba but in many ways its way far ahead of some better off countries.

Way to insult the rest of us. Nothing sensationalist in saying that I don't want my kids ingesting somthing that is listed on a haz-mat schedule as a toxic waste, on a daily basis. BTW I stated at the off that the scource for the flouride in our water was an industrial by-product, and i installed the racking in one of the plants that produces it. Just a small amount would knock you for six, diluting it just means it takes longer.:rolleyes: