sports dietitian - IM F RIPPING

activedude

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Hanley

Weightlifting as in snatch and clean and jerk?

Powerlifting as in squat, bench and deadlift?

Weight lifting as in bodybuilding?

Weight lifting as in general weight training?

In all cases, the best information you'll get is from guys who've walked the path or studied it specifcially. Not some quack. Sucks that ya got ripped off.

Hanley

activedude wrote: »

3rd

You need to start talking to bodybuilders so. THe information you get off 'qualified' dietician's and nutritionists will be of pretty much no benefit to you.

As a starting point, here's what you want:
1) bodyweight in lbs x16 = total kcals
2) bodyweight in lbs x1.5 = grams of protein daily
3) Total kcals minus (answer to number 2 *4) / 2 = kcals from fat, and kcals from carbs. Divide by 9 to get grams of fat, divide by 4 to get grams of carbs.

Get your food for plant (veg, fruit), nut and animal sources (beef, chicken, milk, cheese) primarily. Try to avoid simple sugars and heavily processed food (ie food that comes in a shiny packets).

How much do you weigh?

That's be 90 quid please

Hanley

activedude wrote: »

im around 180 very lean tho muscular goal is 100kg im 82.5kg at the moment im 6ft 3 happy with me body just want everything ALOT BIGGER lol

2,900kcal minimum, depending on how active you are and how well you retain leaness, 3,200 may be better.

270g protein daily
230g carbs
100g fat

Supplement with whey if neccessary. Try to have an idea of bodyfat levels thru caliper readings or waist measurement. Add kcals slowly, if you notice a big jump in body fat back off a bit. Train hard and give it time. Simples. No magic tricks needed.

Blatter

activedude, just in case you don't have a clue where to start with the counting calories malarky, use www.fitday.com. Very handy.

Hanley

activedude wrote: »

WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS
i train 3 times a week last around 45mins per session but she wants me to train an other 3-4days of running / fast walking / cross trainer / for 30mins non stop - why is the reason for this ? that means im trainin all week where are my rest days she said fine 3days and have sunday off?

plus she told me to take a recovery shake damm did u see the prices ON is 34.99 and last for 5weeks after workouts - is eating white rice with whey shake after the same thing

an other thing she read out of the book was ISOTONIC drinks anyone here use it before during and after i can buy it or make it http://www.indi.ie/docs/25_INDI_Book_(Sport).pdf

EDIT - PLUS i should take in no more then 3litres of water / and 1.8 g per kg around = 150g protein a day LOL everything im writing is in the book

She doesn't know what she's talking about and is best off ignored.

Theresalwaysone

You've been told exactly what to do. Read back over Hanleys posts, specifically #6.There really isnt much more to it.

Mellor

activedude wrote: »

dude i use to eat 3700 to 4100kcals a day and gained nuthin should i use weight grainers ?

You we probably mis counting calories. I would say that it's would be impossible for you to eat 4200 and gain nothing.
Weight gainers are just sugar and protein

LOL it looks like if i was to reach my 100kg goal or near enough then i need 7000kcals a day to keep weight

No you wouldn't, where did you pull that figure from

Brian?

activedude wrote: »

dude i use to eat 3700 to 4100kcals a day and gained nuthin should i use weight grainers ?

I have a feeling you were miscounting your calories. Just try what Hanley suggested for a couple of months and see where you get to.

If your calorie count was right, the simple answer is to eat more.

G86

briankeating wrote: »

I have a feeling you were miscounting your calories. J.

+1. It's simple maths, eat less=weight less, eat more=weigh more. You know this, everyone knows this! Paying €90 to get someone to tell you isn't really going to help (as you've seen). People constantly try to make it complicated when it's not. People think they're somehow an exception to the rule, when they're not.

I bet you anything you're not getting in half as many kcals as you think. I'd a friend who swore blind for ages he was eating like a horse and just couldn't put on weight, but I saw what he was eating he really wasn't. People like to deceive themselves, you're probably over-estimating your kcals bigtime, and the only way to know for sure is to sit down and add them all up. Why don't you log into fitday.com, type in your daily diet, and let us know what your kcals come out at there. I bet they'll be alot less than you think.

Hanley

activedude wrote: »

dude i use to eat 3700 to 4100kcals a day and gained nuthin should i use weight grainers ?

LOL it looks like if i was to reach my 100kg goal or near enough then i need 7000kcals a day to keep weight

There's only really two things likely to be happening here:

1) You're miscounting kcals and not eating as much as you think - tell us a typical day

2) You're WAY more active than I thought, but you said you train 3x per week for 45 minutes, so assuming that's all you do and you're not out running and playing football all day every day for the rest of the week, I'm going to go back to number 1) as being the reason you're not gaining weight.

And if I'm wrong, then you just need to up the kcals to 18-20kcals per pound lb of bodyweight, and keeping increasing them to gain.

If you want to be a fat c*nt then eat 7,000kcals and take a weight gainer. Otherwise, don't bother!

gavtron

G86 wrote: »

+1. It's simple maths, eat less=weight less, eat more=weigh more. You know this, everyone knows this! Paying €90 to get someone to tell you isn't really going to help (as you've seen). People constantly try to make it complicated when it's not. People think they're somehow an exception to the rule, when they're not.

I bet you anything you're not getting in half as many kcals as you think. I'd a friend who swore blind for ages he was eating like a horse and just couldn't put on weight, but I saw what he was eating he really wasn't. People like to deceive themselves, you're probably over-estimating your kcals bigtime, and the only way to know for sure is to sit down and add them all up. Why don't you log into fitday.com, type in your daily diet, and let us know what your kcals come out at there. I bet they'll be alot less than you think.

I'd second that, I used to think I ate a lot of food until I started logging it on Fitday, just out of curiosity. turns out it's pretty hard to even get 2500+ kcals into me. So track what you eat over a few days and let us know what it works out as, you'd probably be surprised!

Reggy

was the 'expert' a dietician or a nutitionist? Big difference... really p1sses me off how almost anybody can stick a plaque above a door and call themselves a nutritionist and then go and charge €90 per hour

gavtron

you'd probably get pretty much the same advice from either Reggy!

Reggy

gavtron wrote: »

you'd probably get pretty much the same advice from either Reggy!

would ya really though? to be fair, any dieticians I know have had to undergo a 4 year undergrad to acquire the accreditation, whereas nutritionist dont.

Hanley

Reggy wrote: »

would ya really though? to be fair, any dieticians I know have had to undergo a 4 year undergrad to acquire the accreditation, whereas nutritionist dont.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Reggy

Hanley wrote: »

Garbage in, garbage out.

whatcha mean?

Hanley

Reggy wrote: »

whatcha mean?

Look at what is currently being thought as best practice in most nutrition courses (I'm referencing at least one degree course that a friend is doing, and recommendations coming from 'official' bodies), and look at the sort of things 'fitness professionals' are being thought.

What they are told and learn isn't what works, and since a lot of them become dogmatised to what they've been thought by seemingly knowledgable professors, they recycle this information.

So, my point is - it doesn't matter what youre qualification is, or how long you've had to work for it, if you're not being thought the right stuff in the first place.

gavtron

Hanley wrote: »

Look at what is currently being thought as best practice in most nutrition courses (I'm referencing at least one degree course that a friend is doing, and recommendations coming from 'official' bodies), and look at the sort of things 'fitness professionals' are being thought.

What they are told and learn isn't what works, and since a lot of them become dogmatised to what they've been thought by seemingly knowledgable professors, they recycle this information.

So, my point is - it doesn't matter what youre qualification is, or how long you've had to work for it, if you're not being thought the right stuff in the first place.

bingo!

Reggy

Hanley wrote: »

So, my point is - it doesn't matter what youre qualification is, or how long you've had to work for it, if you're not being thought the right stuff in the first place.

Agreed, but I think the key function of these courses (certainly the one I am doing) is to teach students to be critical of current literature given that there is so much conflicting bullsh1t out there in the nutrition field. Being able to spot good studies from the bad ones is really the aim of it at the end of the day.... It would be interesting to know what qualification the Op's €90 p/h 'dietician' achieved.

gavtron

out of interest Reggy, what course are you studying at the minute?

Hanley

Reggy wrote: »

Agreed, but I think the key function of these courses (certainly the one I am doing) is to teach students to be critical of current literature given that there is so much conflicting bullsh1t out there in the nutrition field. Being able to spot good studies from the bad ones is really the aim of it at the end of the day.... It would be interesting to know what qualification the Op's €90 p/h 'dietician' achieved.

I think motivation is what matters tho. You'd assume a basic interest at some level for guys/girls studying in those fields. Obviously you've got it, and a critical mind too.

But the amount of people I've met in the fitness industry who've just been thought something and accepted it as being true without any critical analysis is scary.

Reggy

But the amount of people I've met in the fitness industry who've just been thought something and accepted it as being true without any critical analysis is scary

Yeah for sure, but its still pretty difficult to not believe it as gospel when a respected professor tells you something seemingly crazy that you'd never thought/heard of! For example: 'eating jelly babies as a pre match snack to assist glycogen resyn'. I guess it makes sense in theory but still think that its kinda nuts!!

out of interest Reggy, what course are you studying at the minute

doing Msc in exercise and nutrition. As with many similar courses, you are expected to make the hard yards yourself which is a good and bad thing in equal measure I guess!

cc87

Reggy wrote: »

Yeah for sure, but its still pretty difficult to not believe it as gospel when a respected professor tells you something seemingly crazy that you'd never thought/heard of! For example: 'eating jelly babies as a pre match snack to assist glycogen resyn'. I guess it makes sense in theory but still think that its kinda nuts!!



doing Msc in exercise and nutrition. As with many similar courses, you are expected to make the hard yards yourself which is a good and bad thing in equal measure I guess!

IMO the big difference between under and postgrad is that postgrad stuff has the aim of making the student more able to think independently and critically. Something sorely lacking in many undergrad courses.

jugger0

A physio told me squatting below 90 degrees is bad for you... is this real life?

Mellor

Reggy wrote: »

For example: 'eating jelly babies as a pre match snack to assist glycogen resyn'. I guess it makes sense in theory but still think that its kinda nuts!!

Why?
You know those carb gels that runners take before and during long races. What do you think is the difference, on a macro level, between them and jelly babies (or wine gums).

jugger0 wrote: »

A physio told me squatting below 90 degrees is bad for you... is this real life?

Are you sitting down?
ok. Now look at your legs. What angle are they making :P

Mellor

Hanley

Mellor wrote: »

Are you sitting down?
ok. Now look at your legs. What angle are they making :P

I'm sitting at < 90 degrees. And all my weight is n my ass....

Reggy

Mellor wrote: »

Why?
You know those carb gels that runners take before and during long races. What do you think is the difference, on a macro level, between them and jelly babies (or wine gums).

I dont know, its not something I have included post match/training personally, I dont know why. cyclists take carb gels to avoid 'the bonk' but after a match I never really thought about eating jelly babies, it just seemed funny when I first heard of it considering the done thing has generally been jaffa cakes or lucaozade. But at the end of the day sugar is sugar.

G86

Mellor wrote: »

Are you sitting down?
ok. Now look at your legs. What angle are they making :P

Brilliant:D

G86

activedude wrote: »

i know myself anyway

Which is why you paid €90 for advice???

activedude

mate my hat go`s out to you your great craic

metamorphosis

a days break for activedude because i really don't know what to make of it all.

d'Oracle

Aw bless, he figured out how to re-reg.

Must have taken some smarts.
Shame he couldn't apply them smarts to figuring out what to eat, before paying someone €90.

Hanley

Hanley and Co does not represent myself or any of my subsidiary bodies.

Hanley

Hanley and co wrote: »

LOL the joke is on you suckers i made the whole thing up :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

That's ok.

My post count has increased, so has the amount of thanked posts I've made. You've dragged up a pic from years ago that the newer members of the forum havne't seen and you've made G86 weak at the knees.

Bit of an all around win for me tbh.

d'Oracle

Hanley and co wrote: »

LOL the joke is on you suckers i made the whole thing up :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Oh wow.

I guess the Joke is on me.
You must be some sort of chaotic comic mastermind.
Re-reging, trolling and then painlessly explaining the lot.
Like Joker from batman.

the drifter

ohhh i do love a friday re reg.....

Hanley...i think he likes you...

d'Oracle

Hanley and co wrote: »

You got it in one FAIR PLAY to ya your smart tho i always thought you were an idiot

Really?
You were right.
I'm a complete idiot.

discus

Could this be the Fitness Forum lightening up for once?











:eek:

d'Oracle

Hanley and co wrote: »

while hello there BTW i keep coming back false names

NO WAY!

Thats genius.

Satanta

discus wrote: »

Could this be the Fitness Forum lightening up for once?

:eek:

Could be, although you will have to post a link to the research paper you read that in. :P

d'Oracle

discus wrote: »

Could this be the Fitness Forum lightening up for once?











:eek:

You would like it to be like this all the time?

Hanley

discus wrote: »

Could this be the Fitness Forum lightening up for once?











:eek:

Low kcal banter??!

discus

Ah sure tis a friday afterall!

Could be, although you will have to post a link to the research paper you read that in.

I was nearly about to mention peer reviewed journals somewhere! Every argument on this forum used to mention them as a way of winning arguments. Every now an again we got an abstract extracted from google too!!

d'Oracle

I sometimes wonder why people give out about this forum so much and yet post on it.

discus

d'Oracle wrote: »

You would like it to be like this all the time?

Every once in a while wouldn't hurt. We could make a good fire with all the sticks that are lodged up some people in here, if they'd only take them out.

I sometimes wonder why people give out about this forum so much and yet post on it.

Cause it has been a great board over the years.

Reggy

I'm beginning to regret ticking on instant email notification for this thread... I have no idea what is going on.:D

SteelyDanJalapeno

This thread hurts my brain.

d'Oracle

discus wrote: »

Cause it has been a great board over the years.

Its still is when people aren't arses about it.

Thing is a lot of the people who give out about it are the same people who make it an arsey forum (and I'm not in any way excluding myself from blame here) Problem is a lot of very useful people have just stopped contributing to it because of the arse acting of others.

discus

Was it the arse acting, or was it because genuine information was being lost within the louder voices of people spouting on? Or maybe it was the semi-personal attacks.

And you're right, it is still a great board. I couldn't think of too many other places I'd direct people to get info, considering Ireland is so small, it's easy to vouch for certain posters who know what they're talking about.