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Thinkstoomuch

ShamoBuc wrote: »

FT kk 0-20 v Cork 2-12


An enjoyable second half. Cork put in a good performance with kk coming back into the game. Cork fought all the way which was nice to see and kept a clean sheet aswell.
Horgan was poor. Cussen didn't do a whole lot - to be expected really as he is not good enough.

A lot of positives to be fair.

It was an excellent display but corks failure in the half foward line to win ball in the last quarter haunted this team again.Bar Horgan, a full forward line of Paudie,O Farell or moylan would cause any team problems but they never get enough quailty ball.
Horgan today was awful.What is really annoying is as shown by he last minute cameo when he set lehane up for the goal was he has the skill and talent but crucially goes missing in games for long periods.
When you see the likes of Joyce,Killian Murphy,O Farell,Kearney ,Moylan and lehane who really worked hard and fought for early ball,it shows up what Horgan lacks at this level.He has to be dropped,he fails time and time again to deliver when Cork need him the most.
No excuses but i dont think he has the mindset for this level.
There are a lot of forwards on the panel who have a greater workrate who deserve to start ahead of him.
Joyce was immense and was close to a man of the match display.He is still U21.
Killan murphy done very well in hes debut.He was right to give the penalty away,any time you have a keeper the calibre of Nash it is always worth the risk.
Mcloughlin should remain at 5.He was superb.Egan when fit would make this some half back line. Stephen White ,while he never gave up,lacks the speed of hurling as he was blocked down numerous times today and gave away one point at a vital time in the game.
It was great to see Colm Spillane on.A future full back for Cork.He caught one ball clean out of the skies and was not afraid to get physical either.He is just the aggressive player we need to command that aera.
He is still U21 and its vital that he is played there in the u21 championship at full back.Damien Cahalane can play here as he is on the U21team also but as Cahalane has opted to play football it is vital for Cork going forward he gets as much game time as possible at full back.
Ger fitzgerald is manager so god only knows what he will actually do.
A lot of positives today and we showed a lot of intensity today and while the forwards worked very hard in closing down the KK backs, the half forward line remains a huge worry and is really the main aera that is holding this team back.
Cian Mccarthy deserved to start but proved he is not the answer at CF.
Cussen was awful,with he's one handed pull of the hurley on a ball.He did make one good run but had not the B***s to go for the point himself but took the easy option and passed the ball.Peter O Brien,Harnedy would have been much better options.
Lehane became a man today,stood up when needed the most and some goal he scored.He seemed to roam all over the ptich which suited him.

Thinkstoomuch

Cork and Clare in the relegation play off.You would expect it be played in thurles or the Gaelic Grounds.

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

Horgan is terrible today. Realky should be taken off.

He should never have started.He has to be dropped for the Clare game or be told in no uncertain terms this is he's last chance.Jbm dropped Moylan for the Galway came,a young inexpierenced guy after one poor game .He dropped Mcdonnell last year after KK ,when he was played out of position.He dropped Mannix after one game.He has been ruthless with these guys,he needs to be fair and be ruthless and drop horgan.It could be the wake up call he needs.If horgan comes back a better player then credit due.But at the moment he seems to be a certain starter after a woeful league.
Last year against Tippereary and Galway when we needed a leader up front he was no where to be seen.Paudie sul was immense in those games yet Horgan is our marquee forward.
That point he missed was hes trademark.Instead of doing the simple thing and shorten his hurley he could have flicked it over.
No he decides to do the fancy dan stuff turn and shoot over the shoulder.An awful wide.
You can make excuses for certain players like he is too young,or he is injured or he is played out of positon.
Or he has always performed in big games for us,every player has a bad day.
None of these apply to Horgan though.
What Cork have in abundance is corner backs of real real quality.
O Sullivan was immense,composed all the time on the ball.He just did not win and hurl wasteful back out the field but he always looked for a free man and when one was not there he made one like giving a perfect pass back to Nash who could clear long down the field.
One of the few positves of the strikes was he getting called up to the panel.He is a class act.
Add in Brian Murphy,Shane O Niell,Mcdonnell and Killan Murphy Cork have loads of options.The half back line is taking shape and all it needs is games together.
Midfield is strong as long as there is the right balance between skill and strength and aggression.
I thought Kearney hurled okay and never gave up.Cronin was poor by he's own standards but he has done it time and time again last year so there is no reason to worry about him.
The half forward line badly needs him though.I was hoping Cian would have performed today that Cronin could stay there but he was poor.
The problem will be getting a physical presence to compliment Kearney.
Jesus now we realise how much a loss Sweetman is.
I would of liked to see Michael Walsh get a run.
One option that may seem like a wild throw of the dice is Stephen Mcdonnell at midfield.
When he comes back from injury he may be worth a try there.He is big,strong and has plenty of hurling.He also played a lot of hurling underage for the Glen and Cork at midfield.Hes very fast also.
He is not a full back and will struggle to get a corner back place .He could well do a job there as a holding midfielder with Kearney.
In not sure what the story is with Bill Cooper but he played with CIT the other night and scored 2 points.He is back from injury.He was in the plans before he got injured and impressed me any time i saw him.
Surely he deserves a panel place above Cussen.He can not be any worse than Cussen and he is big and strong and can win ball in the air .
He played a bit of rubgy so he is certainly is no lightweight.

randd1

Amprodude wrote: »

We could have won it to be fair if players like Horgan were a bit more economical in their shooting. Sickening to lose when scoreline margin was tight.

To be fair Kilkenny had their fair share of bad wides as well, as many as Cork had, so things evened out on that score.

Cork's physicality in the first half where they went toe to toe with Kilkenny was impressive, but it was also ultimately their undoing, as they tired with 25 minutes to go. They just couldn't sustain that level of physical exertion.

That and Kilkenny took over in their backlines and midfield in the second half, and were getting the right ball to their forwards.

After Cork's first goal Kilkenny outscored them by 9 points to 1-1 (with the goal coming in the last minute of injury time). Kilkenny just wore them down and picked them off.

Thinkstoomuch

randd1 wrote: »

To be fair Kilkenny had their fair share of bad wides as well, as many as Cork had, so things evened out on that score.

Cork's physicality in the first half where they went toe to toe with Kilkenny was impressive, but it was also ultimately their undoing, as they tired with 25 minutes to go. They just couldn't sustain that level of physical exertion.

That and Kilkenny took over in their backlines and midfield in the second half, and were getting the right ball to their forwards.

After Cork's first goal Kilkenny outscored them by 9 points to 1-1 (with the goal coming in the last minute of injury time). Kilkenny just wore them down and picked them off.

I dont think fitness was really a big issue.Cork had to be physical from the very start or they would have been blown away.This team learned from Last May when they last met.They never stood up last year and the game was over after 20 minutes.
It was won as kilkenny attacked Corks weakest link.As you said the half forward line was dominated.When you have wave after wave of attack coming down on youre defence youre bound to crack.Cronin was playing more up front towards the end of the game to win ball and as a result the midfield had suffered.
The Cork defence was outstanding considering the pressure they were under and with 3 inexpierenced players in their.
I think is a credit to them they held KK goaless.It is testament to Nash now to see even KK going for the point instead of a goal from the penalty spot.Very rarely you see KK do that .
They say defences win you games and forwards decide how much.The fowards will struggle to score enough as the half forward line gives them no regular supply.This team if it had a ball winning half forward,along with Cronin,would make a huge difference to us.
We have enough scoring forwards but thats what they are,they need someone to win ball.
This defence has the ability in time to be a Fortess for Cork.Jbm built the 99 team on such a foundation with a defence that did not concede a goal or at most just one in the season.
This team in defence has that trademark once it gets Full back sorted.Corks best option at present may be to do what they done today and what KK have always done ,is foul if the full back is turned.Nash is such a presence in goal as could be seen by Mcloughlins penalty save.Nash would of saved it if Mcloughlin did not.
It is vital we beat Clare as if were are in div 1b next year it is a dark dark day for Cork and one that will set us back years.
No disrespect to Westmeath,Offaly,Antrim,Carlow etc but playing them next year is useless for the development of Joyce,Lehane,Spillane etc.
Those games would also make some players look better than they are.You would have games where Naughton, Horgan scoring big returns ,all fancy flicks and flasy scores but no where near it when the summer arrives.All those games would be would be false dawns.
Cussen would even look a hero in these games which says it all.
This is Corks last game for nearly two months.A hell of a wait for the next game.So Cork have no reason not to treat the games in two weeks time nothing but a championship game.Training has to be flat out geared for this,no holding back.They will have plenty of time to recover.
The intensity and workrate today by some of the forwards should be the bench mark going forward.While every forward can have an off day scoring wise they should still be working hard of the ball.If they dont do this they should not be starting.
Jamie Coughlan is back soon enough.He was superb for Cork last year,and is still U21.He always shows aggression and an eye for goal.He will definetly come in to contention for a place.Their seems to be a view in the Cork media Horgan cant be dropped as he is the main go guy.Coughlan is exactly the same type of player as him,and can take frees or 65s or even lehane can take them as well.

Treble20

Fair play to the hurlers yesterday,they put up a brave battle against the Cats and with a bit more accuracy and patience from the forwards Cork could have stole this game.

1 worrying aspect again though IMO would be only scoring 1-1 in the last 20 minutes of a game,this is becoming all too common and if this is not improved we'll be blown away come summer time. Another negative would be seeing Cussen coming on,surely we have better forwards in Cork than this yoke?

Thinkstoomuch

Treble20 wrote: »

Fair play to the hurlers yesterday,they put up a brave battle against the Cats and with a bit more accuracy and patience from the forwards Cork could have stole this game.

1 worrying aspect again though IMO would be only scoring 1-1 in the last 20 minutes of a game,this is becoming all too common and if this is not improved we'll be blown away come summer time. Another negative would be seeing Cussen coming on,surely we have better forwards in Cork than this yoke?

As a target man Bill Cooper deserves a chance.Peter O' Brien and Fintan O Leary may not have the speed of hurling for this level but at least they will try and are worth a panel place more so than Cussen.O'leary got no games at all and O Brien got 2.Cussen has had way more chances.
Horgan was a big negative also,he just is no where need the workrate or mindset for this level.He needs to step it up big time from hes form this year and last year.He has the talent but unless he's attuide changes he is of no use to this team.

Amprodude

Treble20 wrote: »

Fair play to the hurlers yesterday,they put up a brave battle against the Cats and with a bit more accuracy and patience from the forwards Cork could have stole this game.

1 worrying aspect again though IMO would be only scoring 1-1 in the last 20 minutes of a game,this is becoming all too common and if this is not improved we'll be blown away come summer time. Another negative would be seeing Cussen coming on,surely we have better forwards in Cork than this yoke?

I agree, I cant believe Cussen is getting game time to be fair. There should be better forwards than him in the county that should be given an opportunity. Our inability to score enough in the last 15-20mins was our biggest downfall. If we had any chance of beating Kilkenny this year, yesterday was certainly our chance. Kilkenny didnt really perform to their high standards but did enough to win all the same which is a good sign of a team.

Orizio

Bill Cooper is just back from a long term injury. Saw he play for CIT recently and he understandably looked way off. Hopefully he is on the training panel and we'll see him next year.

rebelomar

Hoggy needs to pull the finger out! Simple as that really...Hes spoke about the forwards work rate against Tipp but we have not seen that since.

Nobody doubting his talent or value as a free taker but he needs to step up and lead this forward line. I won't write him off but he needs to do it in a big game soon and not go missing for long stretches.

We need a player of his ability consistently showing for ball. Maybe deploying him at CF for 10min periods in a game will help keep in involved in the action. We are not winning ball anyway deploying less talented but more physical players there so maybe getting a scoring forward in that position may be worth a go.

Thinkstoomuch

rebelomar wrote: »

Hoggy needs to pull the finger out! Simple as that really...Hes spoke about the forwards work rate against Tipp but we have not seen that since.

Nobody doubting his talent or value as a free taker but he needs to step up and lead this forward line. I won't write him off but he needs to do it in a big game soon and not go missing for long stretches.

We need a player of his ability consistently showing for ball. Maybe deploying him at CF for 10min periods in a game will help keep in involved in the action. We are not winning ball anyway deploying less talented but more physical players there so maybe getting a scoring forward in that position may be worth a go.

Horgan has only ever produced 3 standouts perferomances when it has really counted in big games for me.
3 games in nearly 6 years is not acceptable.
When Cork came back from the dead against Clare in 08 he came on a sub and got some great scores.In 2010 he was superb against Tippereary,getting two goals,managed to even score a penalty.The year after in thurles he got 3 points and was part of the come back against Tippereary.
But the amount of games he has gone missing is crazy.After that 2010 game it was ideal for him to drive on as hes confidence was sky high.A limerick B team as they were in the middle of a strike,were primed for him to have another big scoring return.He was no where near what you would expect from him.He missed a penalty.He coudnt do it back to back.He was woeful in the two waterford games,in the munster final.He was even taken off.
He was not deemed good enough to start against Antrim.He was brought on with 20 minutes to go and just lazed around the place in a sulk with no interest to get stuck in.

Against KK he started and was woeful.Fair enough Cork were poor but you expect your big players to at least fight for the ball.
Jackie Tyrell roasted him and when KK took the foot of the pedal in the second half and it became open and flowing he scores a few points of Tyrell,and the Echo says the next day Horgan shows he is one of the Countrys leading forwards.
No way is, he just cause he put on a cameo when KK allowed him play.
In 2011 bar the Tippereary game ,he was no where to be seen against Galway. .
As usal against the Offalys and Wexfords down on a sunny day in the park he is fine against teams that play hurling.Any time he has to work hard he goes missing.All you get is a cameo appearance.
Last year against Tippereary and Galway he was outshone by Jamie Coughlan and Paudie Sullivan.Against Waterford it was Jamie Coughlan who was not even down to start that showed horgan how to do it,with a great goal.Horgan goes missing for most of the game and decides to turn up with a great score in the closing minutes.Not good enough though,Hurling is not just a ten minute game here and there.

He scored 6 points from play down the Pairc against Tipp in the League last year and was man of the match this year,and i had hoped he turned a corner.No he did not,it was same old story,grand in the comfort zone in mickey mouse games in Cork but in big games he fails to turn up.Against Waterford two years ago in Waterford he was awful in the League.I was there and just to watch hes workrate and lazyiness was awful.
He has been the same for the Glen.Great one day but awful the next.
Last year I went to to see Cahalane at Full back for the Barrs as I wanted to see was he up to it for Cork after Mcdonnell being cleaned out by KK.

Cahalane it must be noted had not much hurling done as he had been with the U21 footballers up till April,but he stuck to Horgan for all the game and held him to a point from play.This was Club Hurling where the amount of space Horgan has was huge as it was just him and Cahalane inside on their own.He was awful and any ball he won he missed some awful wides.

Cahalane played well but for a man of Horgans expierence and the amount of hurling he had done in contrast to Cahalane it was not acceptable he was so poor.The Glen see him as their leader and when he failed they were flat.That game summed it up for me.Eoghan Finn a Cork U21 was scoring plenty for the Barrs,yet Horgan was no where to be seen.
On any given day you could get two different displays from him.
Ray Cummins spoke of how the Cork Footballers forwards workrate was poor.I wish he said the same thing about some of the Cork Forwards.
Pa Cronin for a few years was like Horgan,so much talent but went missing.The last 2 years though Cronin has became a man and been superb and fulfilled he's talent.Horgan needs to do the same,or else be like Cathal Naughton another gifted talented player but a wasted talent as he lacks the mindset required at this level.

Thinkstoomuch

rebelomar wrote: »

Hoggy needs to pull the finger out! Simple as that really...Hes spoke about the forwards work rate against Tipp but we have not seen that since.

Nobody doubting his talent or value as a free taker but he needs to step up and lead this forward line. I won't write him off but he needs to do it in a big game soon and not go missing for long stretches.

We need a player of his ability consistently showing for ball. Maybe deploying him at CF for 10min periods in a game will help keep in involved in the action. We are not winning ball anyway deploying less talented but more physical players there so maybe getting a scoring forward in that position may be worth a go.

I see your point but as Paudie Sullivan proved just being able to score and roam is not much good to the team when KK just hurled oceans of ball from CB in the last 20 minutes as Paudie is not dominant in the air.That is not he's fault,he is better in near goal and is our best forward at present.In championship you need to limit the influence of the CB and I feel you must have someone with a physical presence.
Look at the top class Centre backs they will face.Brick Walsh,Hogan or O Mahony or Maher or Donnellan of Clare or Liam Rushe if he stays there for Dublin.These guys are strong and forceful.
If Paudie who has a far better workrate and honesty to the cause cant do a job at CB I feel horgan would have no chance.I don't think changing he's position can help hes focus.A change of position can help a player get the most out of he's talent and in Horgans case 15 has always been hes place so I could not see CF making a difference.Attitude comes from within.
No one can give Horgan that,he can only do that himself.He can choose to work hard or be lazy.
What we need at CF is a good honest player that can win ball in the air and limit a CB influence as much as possible.
While the ability to score is always a bonus the player does not need to be a proflic scorer by any means for a CF.
Look at Bonner Maher for Tippereary.
He is not a scorer but take hes catch and pass to Corbett to set up Noel Mcgraths goal against Cork last year shows what an effective CF can do for a team.
Fergal Mccormorck in 99 was no great man to score but he limited every CB he played against influence on the game.And he could win any ball in the air.A lot of people remember Ben O Connor's last free for Cork that won the final against KK but it was Fergal who won the puckout and free.JBM has always said he was one player that Cork would not have won the all ireland without him.
What is of interest here was he was made a CF by JBM.In that in 96 he was played at half back,then in 98 he was played at midfield.He did not have the pace for either of those positions.
He had a great hand and was strong and had a physical presence and when he ran with the ball he was hard to stop.Maybee JBM can find another player like that and make a CF out of him,does not have to be a proflic scorer but one who can do a certain job well and therfore creating ball and space for our scoring forwards ,something were not short of.If we could find one it would take the workload of Cronin.

Thinkstoomuch

The Cork Senior Football team to play Mayo on Sunday is
1. Ken O Halloran  Bishopstown
2. John Mcloughin Kanturk
3. Jamie O Sullivan Bishopstown
4. Michael Shields St Finbarrs
5. Paudie Kissane Clyda Rovers
6. Noel O Leary Cil Na Matra
7. Tom Clancy Fermoy
8. Graham Canty Bantry Blues
9. Aidan Walsh Kanturk
10. Fintan Goold Macroom
11.Mark Collins Castlehaven
12. Andrew O Sullivan Castletownbere
13. Daniel Goulding Eire Og
14. Barry O Driscoll Nemo Rangers
15. Paul Kerrigan Nemo Rangers

Subs
David Hanarahan Douglas
James louhgrey Mallow
Conor O'Driscoll Illen Rover's
Jame's Fitzpatrick Carbery Ranger's
Eoin O Mahony Macroom
Brian Shanahan Carbery Ranger's
Liam Shorten Ballingeary
David Gould Macroom
Denis Crowley Bishopstown
Pearse O Neill Agahda

zetecescort

strongest team available imo. whos the Loughrey lad in the subs?

is this being shown live or is it Tyrone v Kerry

just to add, is there any confirmation of the hurling playoff? are they waiting for a possible double header with a football semi?

Thinkstoomuch

I had to check that myself.He looks a right good addition.He is 26 and played with Antrim at half back but transfferred to Mallow to play as he is working in Cork as an Accountant.
He must be highly rated as played for ulster many times and has scored for Antrim from defence.
When you think of the quaility half backs in Ulster to make that team he must be good.
I am not familar with him mainly id say as I have not see antrim too many times.
We got players from Kildare before and now Antrim.That is a first.Just when we need new faces it will be intersting to keep an eye on him.He can strengthen the panel at the very least.
Yes Tyrone/ Kerry is the main game but Mayo and Cork is deferred coverage.

rebel girl 15

zetecescort wrote: »

strongest team available imo. whos the Loughrey lad in the subs?

is this being shown live or is it Tyrone v Kerry

just to add, is there any confirmation of the hurling playoff? are they waiting for a possible double header with a football semi?

Loughrey is an Antrim man living in Mallow - played very well with the Antrim football team and made Ulster Railway cup teams, very highly rated half back, which is someplace we need some change

zetecescort

thanks, sounds like a good addition alright

Thinkstoomuch

zetecescort wrote: »

strongest team available imo. whos the Loughrey lad in the subs?

is this being shown live or is it Tyrone v Kerry

just to add, is there any confirmation of the hurling playoff? are they waiting for a possible double header with a football semi?

Still a venue to be decided but the date is the 14th according to gaa.ie unless they change it.
I hope it is not played in the Gaelic Grounds as we have an awful record there.
It is a big month for Cork GAA in general ,the u21s next Wed,the Minors thursday night and then the Senior game with Clare and the Minor Footballers are out on the 2oth of this Month against Kerry in Cork in Minor Football in Cork.
Add in games if we win the Munster 21 final and like wise we could have the Senior League semifinal if we beat Mayo on Sunday.

Thinkstoomuch

zetecescort wrote: »

thanks, sounds like a good addition alright

No bother bud...
If he can Survive in Ulster he is a tough cookie and physical and is at a nice age too which he should be coming in to he's peak.
Cadogan is out for the month.
Id say Sunday will be low scoring and far from a classic but id say home advantage will get us over the line.
Colm O Neill say Counihan has allowed him stay involved wit Cork while injured.
At least he will have loads of support.
Great to see and hopefully we will see colm carrying the water again in Killarney.

Thinkstoomuch

Loughrey got a goal for Antrim against Monaghan last year,that Pat Spillane had wrote, that he had said it would be a contender for goal of the year.
If Spillanes compliments the goal,it must of been some goal.
By all accounts he is is meant to have speed ,which is essential now for a half back.
This adds to my interest for Sunday greatly.If we were to win,at least we would have another game to try him out before Limerick in the Championship.
The half back line when Cahalane and Clancy come in to the fray is going to be very competitve.
It was badly needed that we got a change of players in this aera.

malascoile

Where are the Minor Hurling and football matches on?

Thinkstoomuch

malascoile wrote: »

Where are the Minor Hurling and football matches on?

Minor hurling in Pairc rinn thursday,football venuas not be set yet ,probably be the same.

Thinkstoomuch

A win or a draw and we will make the Semifinals .This wont a pretty game at all,it was always going to be low scoring but the wind and rain will make it worse.
We should edge it hopefully.

Amprodude

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

A win or a draw and we will make the Semifinals .This wont a pretty game at all,it was always going to be low scoring but the wind and rain will make it worse.
We should edge it hopefully.

If we lose are we In danger of going down or are we OK still? So far Kerry won't be going anywhere this year, they are destroying Tyrone and its HT.

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

If we lose are we In danger of going down or are we OK still? So far Kerry won't be going anywhere this year, they are destroying Tyrone and its HT.

Unless a run of results went against us it was unlikely.
This game was everything i expected bar Mayo shading it. It was a low scoring and a dour affair,unforunately Mayo were the team that won.
With so many injuries getting to a semifinal against dublin would of been a tough ask.I would of liked another game to see Loughrey but its not like we could throw in any of the 21 players unless they loose wednesday.Loughrey looked okay in he's cameo.
He missed a score but for the time he was on he showed for a lot of the ball.

We had no scoring forwards and not too many options with all that are missing so i would not be too concerned by today.
When you see Crowley and O Neill coming on it shows how thread bare we were in the forwards.
In the first half Cork went for it and were not as defensive but a 3 point lead against a gale force wind in the secon half without a scoring threat was going to be difficult.
The blanket defence was there in the second half and bar Mcloughlin who is not good enough were solid enough.
The lateral hand passing was evident in the last quarter when we coudnt break Mayo down but I woudnt be as harsh on Cork as we had no threat up front for the long ball.
Goulding is still not fully fit,O Driscoll struggled again.O Sullivan and Collins and gould are not out and out scoring forwards.
Gould missed a sitter of a goal.If he is to start for Cork it has to be anywhere bar as a forward.Time and again he misses easy goal chances.
He would an option in midfield or at half back .
Kissane i would not start.He is honest and hardworking and gets the odd score but is too ponderous and indesicisve on the ball.He is typical of the old style,hand pass,run backwards,etc.
He won a free and turned backwards and kicked it towards hes own goal,when Cork were chasing the game.
Thats he's style,way too slow for the current game.
I think what this league has proved is the defence with Cadogan back and the two Clancys and Cahalane to come in to the fray for half back we will be pretty solid.And Gould would be an option.
Add in Sheehan and a fit Goulding,DOC we will be much better as they will provide us with a scoring threat we lacked today.
Mark Collins,Pa Kelly and O Rourke will be much better options than Gould,Andrew O Sullivan or Shorten.
Colm O Neill will be a big loss but if Donegal can win all ireland with two forwards Cork should still be in with a chance provided we have a clear run of injuries.
Hurley or Maceoin should be added to the panel come May.
Barry O Driscoll was poor enough and i had hoped he would step up.
I would not give up on him yet ,he still only has had a handful of games and is a much better option than Crowley,Shorten,O Neill,or Gould in terms of being a goal threat.
At least with no more games we will have time to get a most of the injured players back.
The U21 game now Wednedsay a big game for Cork football.
This should be totally different to todays game.If it is a dry evening then it should be a fast open game of football.

Amprodude

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Unless a run of results went against us it was unlikely.
This game was everything i expected bar Mayo shading it. It was a low scoring and a dour affair,unforunately Mayo were the team that won.
With so many injuries getting to a semifinal against dublin would of been a tough ask.I would of liked another game to see Loughrey but its not like we could throw in any of the 21 players unless they loose wednesday.Loughrey looked okay in he's cameo.
He missed a score but for the time he was on he showed for a lot of the ball.

We had no scoring forwards and not too many options with all that are missing so i would not be too concerned by today.
When you see Crowley and O Neill coming on it shows how thread bare we were in the forwards.
In the first half Cork went for it and were not as defensive but a 3 point lead against a gale force wind in the secon half without a scoring threat was going to be difficult.
The blanket defence was there in the second half and bar Mcloughlin who is not good enough were solid enough.
The lateral hand passing was evident in the last quarter when we coudnt break Mayo down but I woudnt be as harsh on Cork as we had no threat up front for the long ball.
Goulding is still not fully fit,O Driscoll struggled again.O Sullivan and Collins and gould are not out and out scoring forwards.
Gould missed a sitter of a goal.If he is to start for Cork it has to be anywhere bar as a forward.Time and again he misses easy goal chances.
He would an option in midfield or at half back .
Kissane i would not start.He is honest and hardworking and gets the odd score but is too ponderous and indesicisve on the ball.He is typical of the old style,hand pass,run backwards,etc.
He won a free and turned backwards and kicked it towards hes own goal,when Cork were chasing the game.
Thats he's style,way too slow for the current game.
I think what this league has proved is the defence with Cadogan back and the two Clancys and Cahalane to come in to the fray for half back we will be pretty solid.And Gould would be an option.
Add in Sheehan and a fit Goulding,DOC we will be much better as they will provide us with a scoring threat we lacked today.
Mark Collins,Pa Kelly and O Rourke will be much better options than Gould,Andrew O Sullivan or Shorten.
Colm O Neill will be a big loss but if Donegal can win all ireland with two forwards Cork should still be in with a chance provided we have a clear run of injuries.
Hurley or Maceoin should be added to the panel come May.
Barry O Driscoll was poor enough and i had hoped he would step up.
I would not give up on him yet ,he still only has had a handful of games and is a much better option than Crowley,Shorten,O Neill,or Gould in terms of being a goal threat.
At least with no more games we will have time to get a most of the injured players back.
The U21 game now Wednedsay a big game for Cork football.
This should be totally different to todays game.If it is a dry evening then it should be a fast open game of football.

Thanks for analysis and match report, i missed the game myself today but heard the last few mins on the radio. It was nail biting when Cork couldnt equalise with few chances but sure thats the way it goes. I dont think semi final appearance for Cork now would do alot for Cork football at the moment IMO, it would be an extra game but better to get ready for championship now, we have the same time off as Kerry now, so we will see how this year goes.

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Amprodude wrote: »

Thanks for analysis and match report, i missed the game myself today but heard the last few mins on the radio. It was nail biting when Cork couldnt equalise with few chances but sure thats the way it goes. I dont think semi final appearance for Cork now would do alot for Cork football at the moment IMO, it would be an extra game but better to get ready for championship now, we have the same time off as Kerry now, so we will see how this year goes.

No bother.
I agree with you that with so many injured and the fact the U21 team are out Wed night it would be a stretch to compete with Dublin next week.
Loosing to Mayo today by a point is not the end of the World.I dont think Cork were too bothered today compared to Mayo.
Wednesday Night game is a big one.
Interesting to note that Quinlvan the full forward got a goal for the Tipp seniors today.This guy will be a handful wed night.

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Anyhow, I think we'll have a good chance against tipp in the U21. The ground is going to be wet snf mucky, which should slighty favour us. Hopefully Hurley can get 1-5 or so again. But if he's double marked, theres a few other on the team that can create their own scores too

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darragh_haven wrote: »

Jeez, that lala is an angry young man.
Anyhow, I think we'll have a good chance against tipp in the U21. The ground is going to be wet snf mucky, which should slighty favour us. Hopefully Hurley can get 1-5 or so again. But if he's double marked, theres a few other on the team that can create their own scores too

yeah thats the beauty of this team,if Hurley is held,MacEoin,O Rourke can all score.
Cadogan has not been scoring much but theres a big game in him.He will be around midfield i suspect to help win ball.
The team be announced tommorrow and Vaughan will challenge for a starting place.
Id like to see Kevin Crowley start at half back but i doubt he will.
Im amazed the bookies have Cork at 8/15.
While we have more expierence i would say this is evenly balanced.
Hallisey on the bench can be a matchwinner if he's on form.
All through this team at minor bar the Tyrone game and under Cleary in 2009 and 2010 bar the last minute defeat to Galway Cork have always won tight games in the last few minutes of the games
They seem to fade for periods which worries me but when the game is to be won they have the leaders like Cahalane,Clancy,O Rourke and Mac Eoin etc to do the right thing at the vital moment.
Hopefully we will shade it, wouldnt be suprised if it went to extra time.