Prep for Day Of Champions (3?) July - 16th

Voa

I was gonna start this thread when I got back from Q-con, but I figure getting things organised earlier rather than later will be helpful.
Essentially, I want to make HoTW bigger, and move it out of the XGC. To do this, we'll bring in more games, as long as the various parties that play them are willing to make appearances and support the tournaments. I wouldn't enforce any rules on them (apart from following normal tournament stuff), anyone who wants to run their game's tournament is free to do so, as long as it's not something stupid that would take absolutely ages to finish (like best of 5 rounds with best of 5 set groups into best of 5 rounds best of 5 set double elim).
I would hope to bring the tournaments over to the exchange, but I'd like to know which of the SF organisers I should chat to about getting it rented, what the cost would be and so on...
It'd probably be run to the same style as the prior HoTWs and the EVO quals were run; general entry fee, plus fee per game, except that in the HoTWs, first to third get paid out based on the number of entrants in the game.

Ideally we'd be looking to host MvC3, BB (maybe...it's a lil dead atm), MK9 (you guys have been clamoring for a tournament, as far as I can tell), and any other games that people want in the tournament, as long as there's enough people to play a decent sized set.

So...what do people think? Would there not be enough interest to pull this off? Or would people attend for the craic?

Owwmykneecap

As I said before I want to run 3rd strike regularly. But not until the new version drops (currently its Summer 2011....) Maybe as a dual series with ST/HDR.

Other than that, a bit of VF 5 really wouldn't go amiss. and that would be small enough to do on one setup. all I'd need is a monitor.

As an aside, the MK9 guys had a surprisingly good turnout on sat, and perhaps this is the opportunity for the tekken guys to step up and join the community.

Voa

Yeah, I was thinking 3S, but I was wanting to wait till the OE drops so there's a workable copy that we don't need to run off laptop or a choppy ass Xbox version. If you think there'd be a big enough turnout on the day for ST or (god help us) VF5, more power to ya, go ahead and raise some hype for it.

GorySnake

Im all for this, as much as I like SF4 I dont want it to become the only game with a scene here.

The Hound

I'm hype for MK9 and would be a participant. Wouldnt be into MVC3 or £s but defo ST or ExPlus Alpha... Booyaah

Naphiel

I'll be there for some BB, maybe some MvC3 if I get the time to sit down, practice and get much better at it than I am right now.

Xinkai

Waku Waku 7

And to some extent,

PUYO PUYO FEVER

Doctor DooM

I would say for the first one, run MvC3, MK9, BBCS2 and T6BR.

Make them straight up double elim to make sure there's no time constraints.

This will give the MK and T6 people the chance they seem to want. MvC seems to still have some hype to it so that'd be a good main event.

If we even just had 4 set ups that would be doable.

I could record the big fights from all tournaments. People search for this stuff on youtube and they could find us.

If someone brought a lappy we could run a side ST/3s tourney too.

Monkeyto

If the numbers pump up, let's get an exclusive Arcana Hearts 3 set up!!!!!

No swords allowed.

TVSAdamwest

I would be willing to jump on board with this voa. If theres anything i can do pm me on this or ps3.
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D4RK ONION

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I would say for the first one, run MvC3, MK9, BBCS2 and T6BR.

100% with you here. Pricing will have to be pretty decent to get people to enter more than their best game. For instance, I didn't enter Blazblue at EvoQ. 'cause it would have pushed me up to 40 and I suck at it.

Would €5 per game cover overhead costs? Forget prizes for the first one.

UberPrinny_Baal

This is starting to sound like a day of champions...

Voa

I figured fiver in, double elim was the easiest way to run all these. I reckon we'll do the 4 main ones, and open a poll for a side tournament and see if there's any interest in one or more of them as a single elim free entry thing, not as a 100% side tournament, but as a bonus one of the day.

Also, Day of Champions would probably be a better name alright.
Mind if I nick it, Dan?

Orim

Voa wrote: »

Also, Day of Champions would probably be a better name alright.
Mind if I nick it, Dan?

Work away. Be good to get it up and running again. Even with the slightly different format.

Naphiel

Monkeyto wrote: »

If the numbers pump up, let's get an exclusive Arcana Hearts 3 set up!!!!!

No swords allowed.

If I could play some at casuals soon I'd probably enter.

Would Tekken be run on PS3 or 360? I can only play with a dualshock. :pac:

Doctor DooM

Naphiel wrote: »

If I could play some at casuals soon I'd probably enter.

Would Tekken be run on PS3 or 360? I can only play with a dualshock. :pac:

Im sure the lads will do their best to adapt, but if you want to play competitively you'll need to buy an adapter for the pad.

D4RK ONION

Chopper was saying this to me at EvoQ and I totally agree with him. If you play on a pad, you should have a converter for the other console, simple as that. They are apparently quite cheap!

Owwmykneecap

What about a set price that gets you into every tournament?

If you have separate pricing you could end up with the smaller games dying in 4 man tournaments.

20 quid in and you can play in as many or as few of the, say 4, tournaments as you'd like.

Might lead to people trying out games they usually ignore. (BB)

D4RK ONION

Owwmykneecap wrote: »

What about a set price that gets you into every tournament?

If you have separate pricing you could end up with the smaller games dying in 4 man tournaments.

20 quid in and you can play in as many or as few of the, say 4, tournaments as you'd like.

Might lead to people trying out games they usually ignore. (BB)

Also a good idea, I'd be down for this. Or even a €5 per tourney, €15 for all 4 set up. Either way, I'll enter whatever is fiscally possible.

Speed Boat

This all sounds good.

Having an optional "enter all games flat fee" is a cool idea.

I think things to consider would be, will this be feasible monthly and possibly paying out just first and second place.

I say this because due to the smaller numbers these games currently attract, players may be less inclined to travel, especially if they make the trip for inferno as well. It costs a fair bit for some folks.

Also the pots are quite small as is and 3rd place gets very little money anyway, perhaps just pay 1st and 2nd? Maybe have free entry to future events as prizes or something along those lines. Though I am aware the folks playing just want to play regardless of the dolla bills.

Finally if we really wanted to boost numbers we could also add the ssf4 team tourney into the mix.

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chopperbyrne

If you plan on running four games in a single day in Exchange, you might need more than four setups.

Straight double elim on each tournament is certainly doable though.

bush

Adding sf4 teams could boost numbers alright

Doyler01

SF4 teams would be hype.

Sure it may over shadow the other games but the other games need exposure.

I think SF4 teams would be worth it for the attendance as that is whats most important here. Especially in the beginning.

UberPrinny_Baal

Speaking as someone who never wins anything from pots (not bitter, just saying), I'm more likely to enter a multi-game day if the cost of entry is lower for games I'm inexperienced at.

I always did all games in the actual Days of Champions since they were only €1 entry per game, even Tekken which I kinda hate. That's fine for a laugh.

As the price increases though, I'm less willing to commit money towards multiple games I'm bad at, not because I won't win the pot (I fully expect to never win any money back) but because the amount of time I get to sit and play stays the same, while the cost to me goes up. It begins to feel like a waste.

I had great fun losing to Doom at SFPlusEXAlpha for example at the Day of Champions.
But my last time at WOH was massively demoralising.

I'm afraid I don't necessarily have a recommendation to follow up this tl;dr; but I'd say I'm not alone in being more likely to be willing to lose at a game if the money I lose is smaller.

Don't know what exactly the sweetspot is between the two either, it would vary by person.

Orim

I don't think I'd want four there in any form. I'd prefer to see it as an event purely for the other games and see where the interest lies. I mean people will show up for four but it just further emphasises the idea that it's only the game that's played.

UberPrinny_Baal

Orim wrote: »

I don't think I'd want four there in any form. I'd prefer to see it as an event purely for the other games and see where the interest lies. I mean people will show up for four but it just further emphasises the idea that it's only the game that's played.

If SF4 teams was running, I'd show up for that.

Potentially only that, which kind of re-enforces your point.

Scavenger XIII

I'm definitely a fan of the enter everything bargain deal as I dabble in a bit of all sorts but I'm hesitent to put money down specifically to enter games I barely remember how to play.

Orim

It has to be kept in mind that this is a slight revamp of the DoC idea. DoC was purely for a bit of fun and to get people to try as many games as possible.

Whereas this new format is more for the smaller communities of dedicated players for the games. It's a delicate balancing.

If the entry fee goes up then it will only be the more serious players of the games that will enter. This could be good in that there is a decent prize pot and the players playing will be more serious about the game, rather then some of the events we have seen where we fulfill the prophecy of the button masher. It also means that the tournaments won't have a massive turn-out but that could potentially be a good thing as it allows us to run more games on the day.

A lesser entry fee, such as DoCs previous €1, means that more people will enter. However it could just be down to the factor of the cost and it may not mean anything as they wander through one or two matches without really understanding or trying to understand anything. It does mean a larger attendance but that's at the cost of prize pot and perhaps that availability of more games on the day.

Perhaps some kind of system on the day which moves the games based on tiers. We could do something like MvC3 and BB are Tier 1 games. SF3 and T6 are Tier 2. Entrance is the usual €5 . You can pay maybe a €5 to enter a Tier 1 game or to enter both Tier 2 games. You can also pay a €10 to enter all the games. Prizes could be divided up at the end based on number of entrants and the tier of the game. Something like that. Depending on numbers you could always divide it more and have more games running but that would depend on entrants/set-ups etc.

I mean if we really wanted to get technical you could start judging them based on what happens at the tournament. For example if a game gets really low attendance or most of the players seem to be playing for the laugh a game could bumped down. The opposite applies, if a game gets 8 very serious players then it could maybe get bumped up and see what happens.

Liquidswords

Tekken 6 is probably the best option if you're trying to cultivate another fighting game scene, Marvel, BB and MK are fighting games that really only appeal to hardcore gamers (and let's face it they're all cheeks anyway) nobody wants to be the best at something nobody gives a flying fluck about. Tekken however is popular as hell (seen some random fat dude with that tribal Jin tattoo in the pub the other night lol) amongst casual fans, it's actually a credible fighting game and it seems to have a small, fledgling scene of good players that could do with regular well run tournaments.

Tekken is the only other fighting game with the potential to birth a community to rival that of Street Fighter. You're never going to be like Japan where any fighting game can have a credible scene so why not just place your chips on the best bet?

Plus with them crossover games on the horizon it makes even more sense.

Speed Boat

I understand both sides of the argument with regards adding sf4 teams.

I don't think sf4 overshadowing the other games is a problem really. Having more people there is more important I think. And if we don't run teams at this it will be another tourney that pops up every now and then and has to be played underwater in the xgc.

Even just having people there spectating mvc and bb matches would be better in my opinion. Realistically getting more people to play marvel will be tough due to the poor netcode. Spectating it at a tourney might be a good way to get people interested.

With regards entry fee I'm still undecided. Though perhaps catering towards the serious(for want of a better word) players might be better by raising it. I'm really not sure though.

D4RK ONION

I think having 4 there in any form is a bad idea overall, it'll just end up being all the usuals showing up playing 4 and the other games being gotten out of the way quickly so everyone can concentrate what will quickly be considered the "main event".

Yeah we need more 4, and yeah, it draws in the crowds but it just further cements the notion that "yeah, we're totally for other scenes(!) but in the end, if it's not 4 who actually gives a fuck"?

I'll show up either way, but I reckon AE teams could draw people on a day of it's own.

Doyler01

Depends on what kind of event you want to hold.

Last hype of 2 worlds had 7 players in Marvel and I think 8 in BB.. which is fine for XGC.

If we are gonna book out exchange the first priority is overall numbers and $$$. So I think SF4 teams makes sense. We need to think up some sort of incentive for SF4 players to try out the other games. Maybe prizes overall or Include entry to 2 tournies in the entry fee.

SF needs more than 1 event a month really.. And a team tourney wouldn't take up too much time if its straight up double elim.

I prob wouldn't go to this if there was no Marvel. But now that its there il enter into MK / Tekken and ST too for fun, but I wouldn't bother just for those games cus I don't particularly understand them enough to enjoy them yet. I think there will be more like me that show up for SF4 and play other games too that wouldn't turn up without SF4 there.

You want everyone to enjoy themselves and get into the hype like the Evo qual finals with Hound and Stevo. Everyone was going nuts for that, even the non SF players. I don't think a BB or Tekken main event could bring that hype. Maybe Marvel but Marvel just looks like a laser show to someone who doesn't play. I don't see a drawback in including SF4.

Dreddybajs

Agreed with Doyler, if you want the numbers for the Exchange then SF4 is probably going to have to feature.

I don't think it'd overshadow the other games (I've run all the team tourneys so far on one setup with no time issues).

@ Liquidswords: MVC3, BB, and MK9 only appealing to hardcore fighting gamers?? That's the complete opposite of the experience that we've had here I think. Agreed that Tekken has a good shot of forming a solid scene as well though.

chueytoo

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I would say for the first one, run MvC3, MK9, BBCS2 and T6BR.

YEah I agree with this as well, this way the tekken people won't complain as much. I'm willing to help you out voa if you want.

Doctor DooM

Ugh. Well, for me I'd kinda like a non SF4 day to be honest. I know it's weird but I always enjoyed the break Wheel of hype of 2 champions represented from it.

I think MK should get it's chance to see if it will shine.

Owwmykneecap

If the point is to grow the scene beyond SFIV, then it has to be a SFIV free zone.

If 2, 3, or 4 different games are played, a flat fee that covers the cost of the exchange and some prize money for each tourny, would prevent splintering, and encourage participation in the lesser games.

As for fees and prizes i think they should be as low as posible, cover exchange's costs and a nominal prize.

It's for the craic and the tournaments in and of themselves rather than prizes isn't it?

Speed Boat

I think the "it's for the craic", though partially true, is one reason we don't see more people getting into other games.

Of course no one is in it for cash but you do need that certain drive to win. Having people come just to enter mvc or mk9 cos it's only a few euro probably won't do much to further the scene or standard for those games either.

Scavenger XIII

Def. has to be a SF4 free zone, it will just hog the spotlight like it usually does.

I've never really gotten why it was credited with bringing back the genre, it brought back itself and just stole attention from the other fighters that were still played at the time.

TVSAdamwest

This all depends on what Voa wants to accomplish. If he wants a big setting and money just run four diffrent types of street fighter you will make the money easily. If he wants to promote other games street fighter will push everything else away from the spotlight. Day of champions will become inferno teams and the games which have no scene will end up back in xgc.

At the end of the day this Voas call what he wants to do with his own tournament.

I am not trying to be smart here but could you not ask for a team tourney be run as a side event to inferno?
At the old wheel of hypes we did a tourney and then north vs south teams for fun:)

Voa

TVSAdamwest wrote: »

At the end of the day this Voas call what he wants to do with his own tournament.

I just wanna jump on this for a moment; this is not my tournament. I'm running it now, and getting it off the ground, but this is a community thing, for it and by it. I'll discuss the potential of what will be played with various people (like if there's any kind of ST scene we could stir up, or if there's anyway to get the word out to a greater number of Tekken players), but this will not be my decision solely; I'm considering everything everyone has been saying, and until I have all the information I want, I won't put forward a plan. Whether or not whatever plan I put forward goes ahead will depend on the feasibility and general consensus. Ultimately, I do get the last word in things, but that'll just be to stop any kind of endless argument or delay, so I probably will never need to just say "this is how it is, because I said so."

bush

I dont think id travel if it didnt have sf4 on the lineup but I would play at least 1 other game there if sf was being played. Id probably play mvc or any other street fighter game.

Voa

To face facts; this is a Street Fighter community, with some chaps who play other games. I think, at least for the first go of things, we will be including a team SF4 tournament. I've got to get pricing ironed out in my head, but it will most likely go that "pay entrance of 5 then X for entry into 2 double elim games, slight increase for further double elim games, free/low cost entry into single elim game".
The double elim games would be; SF4 Teams, MvC3, ST, Tekken, BB.
Possible single elim would be whatever gets interest generated (I'm looking at you, AH3).

Thoughts?

Dreddybajs

I think that's a great idea (obviously since I was ragin at everyone about it at casuals :pac:), should mean all the games get good attendance.

Doyler01

Sounds good as long as you cannot just enter one tournament. Minimum participation be 2 games.

MK should maybe be a double elim game. It's new and did very well last Saturday.


What kind of SF teams? 2v2 sounds easiest but I'm hearing more interest for 3v3. Random or premade teams? Seeds separated?

stev0knev022

Can't wait for this, team tournaments should be a blast.

I better learn how to play a second game lol.

Dreddybajs

3v3 would be more hype but with a load of other games on it might be better to go with 2v2 so the SF4 tourney doesn't hold up other tournaments by having people called away from games as much.

imo it should be premade teams, unseeded.

The Hound

This sounds great, I'd enter ST, AE & MK9 if its on. Maybe MvC3 too. Can we get some Wu Tang: Taste The Pain as well plz

the 1st hardter

Well I'll throw my 2 cents in for all it's worth (probably nothing since I'm new)

Yes we can all agree that Street Fighter 4 is the big thing (atm) in the scene and we all love to play it, yet I think a few are missing the point of this is a test run for a monthly non sf4 day of different fighting games. I for one would be happy with this. BB, MK, Tekken, ST, 3rd Strike (ill hold my breath for alpha 3) would be good to play imo and I would pay a flat fee for entry and participation.

From what I can see there is many Sf4 casuals/tournaments monthly here so why not try to help the scene grow by playing other games and if it fails, it fails. YET if it was a success then the scene might just grow and get better.

EDIT: HELL YEAH TEAM TOURNAMENT. Sign me up for team noob/scrub/random wake up ulta

Cobelcog

ssf4 (fu ae) mk9 + st plz

the 1st hardter

Cobelcog wrote: »

ssf4 (fu ae) mk9 + st plz

Screw SSf4, Lets go play Vanilla

chueytoo

I understand the point of haveing ssf4 ae teams to bring people in. But Isn't the whole point, is to give the other games attentions and also to show people that there is a scene for mk9,bb,mvc3,tekken?

by having ssf4, I bet most of the people that come down are just gonna be ssf4 players and yes they will play other games, but only because its there. Infact I think some won't even play anything but ssf4. So bush/cobalcog and other ssf4 heads (its not important if you come or not)

Not to sound selfish, But i don't think ssf4 should be held. (yes we will lose alot of people coming to it) but to be honest DOC is not ment for them, if they don't play anything else, don't come.

By concentrating on the 4 games, this way people will know that there can be a scene for it. Not like were trying to convert ssf4 to play other games. Thought the whole point is to let people know that thinsg are running for these games?