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Burzynski, A supressed cure for Cancer?

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    #32
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Anyone who watches and believes anything in this infomercial is a fool or at best not educated in the medical or science fields.

    But it is alot easier to watch a 2 hour video with a bowl of popcorn than to read a newspaper article - so I very much doubt any of you "believers" will actually read all this.

    http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-01-01/news/cancer-doctor-stanislaw-burzynski-sees-himself-as-a-crusading-researcher-not-a-quack/

    Also do you really think all the 1000s of cancer doctors are evil geniuses plotting the death of millions of people.

    Come and face reality.


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    #33
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Anyone who watches and believes anything in this infomercial is a fool or at best not educated in the medical or science fields.

    But it is alot easier to watch a 2 hour video with a bowl of popcorn than to read a newspaper article - so I very much doubt any of you "believers" will actually read all this.

    http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-01-01/news/cancer-doctor-stanislaw-burzynski-sees-himself-as-a-crusading-researcher-not-a-quack/

    Also do you really think all the 1000s of cancer doctors are evil geniuses plotting the death of millions of people.

    Come and face reality.

    No, there's just no money or anything positive to be gained from a cancer cure. Nothing, zip. :rolleyes:


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    #34
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    fontanalis wrote: »
    No, there's just no money or anything positive to be gained from a cancer cure. Nothing, zip. :rolleyes:
    Ah so all the guys in the videos give all their services, treatments, talks and books all for free?


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    #35
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    I bet these guys promoting these "miracle cures" on this site are all doctors - no scruffy students with too much time on their hands.

    I also bet none of you are actually effected by cancer.

    Talk is cheap.


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    #36
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    I also bet you have not read the acticle and base your whole belief on the infomercial


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    #37
    Talk E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    Talk E wrote: »

    Now lads, before you go to your usual debunk hangouts and skeppie forums,watch the bloody documentary. :)
    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Anyone who watches and believes anything in this infomercial is a fool or at best not educated in the medical or science fields.

    But it is alot easier to watch a 2 hour video with a bowl of popcorn than to read a newspaper article - so I very much doubt any of you "believers" will actually read all this.

    http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-01-...r-not-a-quack/

    F*cks sake :rolleyes:


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    #38
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    I have watched the video and read the article.

    Love to hear from people who have done both


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    #39
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Anyone who watches and believes anything in this infomercial is a fool or at best not educated in the medical or science fields.

    No. Fools are people who believe everything they're told. Mindless idiots who behave like sheep.


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    #40
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    So you believe what a minority say and that makes you right.

    Hate to see when the Scientologists get a hold of you.

    Bet You Still Havent Read The Article and Watched the Video.

    You lot are all the same - love a big show and think you are smarter than those people who got 600 points in the leaving because you have 100 points a Cert and Street Wise.

    "I aint no sheep"


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    #41
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    profitius wrote: »
    No. Fools are people who believe everything they're told. Mindless idiots who behave like sheep.
    So why do you believe what you're being told in a internet video or by pseudo-scientists trying to sell people bleach.


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    #42
    Talk E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Talk E


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    So you believe what a minority say and that makes you right.

    Hate to see when the Scientologists get a hold of you.

    Bet You Still Havent Read The Article and Watched the Video.

    You lot are all the same - love a big show and think you are smarter than those people who got 600 points in the leaving because you have 100 points a Cert and Street Wise.

    "I aint no sheep"


    I was waiting for the first one to mouth.. "quack".

    I thought it would be Data as "quack" is one of his favorite words.

    But you are the winner Slan. Here is your badge.

    sheep_badge-1.gif


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    #43
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Behave yourselves and stop snipping at each other.


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    #44
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Didnt say quack


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    #45
    ed2hands
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭ed2hands


    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Didnt say quack


    Are you a doctor? Just asking.


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    #46
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    ed2hands wrote: »
    Are you a doctor? Just asking.

    Are you? Just asking.


    Just being facetious really.


    How about someone discuss the topic? I might put my head in when I've watched the doc.


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    #47
    ed2hands
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭ed2hands


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    Are you? Just asking.


    Just being facetious really.


    How about someone discuss the topic? I might put my head in when I've watched the doc.


    :)No. But nor do i believe that all the 1000s of cancer doctors are evil geniuses plotting the death of millions of people. Was a sincere question.


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    #48
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    King Mob wrote: »
    So why do you believe what you're being told in a internet video or by pseudo-scientists trying to sell people bleach.

    Its very interesting and there seems to be real science behind. Do I beleive it 100%? No. Do I disbelieve it 100%? No. Like I said I have an open mind on it. Its a good place to start. ;)


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    #49
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    So if you get cancer, its Rock Paper Sissors as to which treatment you get


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    #50
    King Mob
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    profitius wrote: »
    Its very interesting and there seems to be real science behind.
    Can you explain the science behind it?
    How do you know that the people who are selling this treatment aren't just throwing out scientific sounding nonsense, like say "super charging your immune system"?


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    #51
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    King Mob wrote: »
    Can you explain the science behind it?
    How do you know that the people who are selling this treatment aren't just throwing out scientific sounding nonsense, like say "super charging your immune system"?

    They were my words.

    What the doctor says in the video is straight forward. Get more oxygen into the body basically.

    I'd sooner listen to these people then big companies who make billions of dollars from cancer. Why would they want to stop the money coming in?


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    #52
    King Mob
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    profitius wrote: »
    They were my words.
    Yes I know, and if you think that it's a scientifically sound statement, you really aren't a good judge of whether there is real science behind it.
    profitius wrote: »
    What the doctor says in the video is straight forward. Get more oxygen into the body basically.
    And why does this work exactly?
    How do you know it's a plausible (or even sane) possibility?
    profitius wrote: »
    I'd sooner listen to these people then big companies who make billions of dollars from cancer. Why would they want to stop the money coming in?
    But why would you listen to these people?
    They have money to make just like the evil companies, but your guys don't have to deal with stuff like proof of efficacy, safety testing or accountability.


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    #53
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    From experience I know talking to you is like talking to a wall. My time is too valuable to be spending it on you. No offense.


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    #54
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    why would he want to deal with someone who respects proof.

    He is off to shake his wind chimes


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    #55
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    profitius wrote: »
    From experience I know talking to you is like talking to a wall. My time is too valuable to be spending it on you. No offense.
    Yea, me asking basic questions is just too frustrating. Especially when you don't want to actually question your own beliefs.

    You'd think I was asking a unsolvable riddle or something...


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    #56
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    I get the feeling you are basing a large portion of your argument on the premise that the FDA are somehow blocking this miracle treatment for the gain of "big pharma". That is highly highly unlikely. The FDA ia composed of a wide variety of people who at the end of the day want the safest most efficacious medication to be available.


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    #57
    chalkitdown
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭chalkitdown


    gpf101 wrote: »
    I get the feeling you are basing a large portion of your argument on the premise that the FDA are somehow blocking this miracle treatment for the gain of "big pharma". That is highly highly unlikely. The FDA ia composed of a wide variety of people who at the end of the day want the safest most efficacious medication to be available.

    You are wrong.
    It's not my premise.
    I wish people would actually watch the film.


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    #58
    chalkitdown
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭chalkitdown


    I'm amazed that nobody has taken the time to watch this film.
    The amount of uninformed kneejerker responses is probably my own fault for originally posting this in AH. At the time I was unsure whether to believe the medical claims. I did make a mistake using the phrase 'big pharma' it is an actual organisation called PhRMA.

    After watching the film a second time I am now onside with Dr. Burzynski and feel that his treatment by the FDA and vested interests in the medical fraternity was definitely criminal and directly led to the deaths of many.

    The time restriction on the film has been removed and it is still available to watch online. Every claim made is referenced.


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    #59
    Monty Burnz
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    Well I watched half the film and read the article. Bearing in mind that the film is putting his case, it's understandable that it leaves out a lot of the stuff that is raised in the article. But unless the film addresses the issues about his other miracle cures (anti-ageing cream) and his support from other pseudoscientists in the second half, then it is doing the viewer a disservice.

    As usual, I'll put in the usual caveat that I'd be delighted if this cure was what it claimed to be, but my suspicion is that it may simply be a means for the man who arrived in the US with $15 to amass a fortune.


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    #60
    SlanGoFoil2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭SlanGoFoil2011


    Maybe throw a bit of balance

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/24/us/to-the-hopeless-a-cancer-cure-beckons.html?src=pm

    At least Monty has some interest in Balance or Scienece or Common Sense


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    #61
    ed2hands
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    SlanGoFoil2011 wrote: »
    Maybe throw a bit of balance

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/24/us/to-the-hopeless-a-cancer-cure-beckons.html?src=pm

    At least Monty has some interest in Balance or Scienece or Common Sense

    A good article. Quite balanced actually. He certainly has plenty of support.
    The FDA has strict guidelines for very good reasons abviously, but is it a wholly uncorrupt organisation in your opinion?


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