Saorview: Q: I get Radio but no TV channels? Answer...

puzzle factory

can anyone tell me why i can pick up all the rte digital radio stations on my tv but none of the tv channels,

darth_maul

Nothing head wrecking about it, you simply haven't got a TV thats compatible with saorview, your TV was made for UK DTT transmissions and is not compatible with the Mpeg4 transmissions that Saorview is using, You will need to get a compatible STB in order to avail of Saorview.





*** Mods I thinks a Sticky needs to be made for this a a new thread like this is starting every couple of days. And they don't seem able to search.

Mr McBoatface

You have a TV designed for the now very old UK MPEG2 digital technology called "Freeview". Ireland like lot's of our European counterparts have chosen the modern MPEG4 digital technology. The UK itself has now adopted MPEG4 technology but only for it's HD broadcast service "FreeviewHD"

Your TV is useless for the new Irish digital TV service "Saorview" who's technical specs where published in 2008. If it's a recent purchase bring the TV back to the retailer and demand a refund as it's not fit for purpose. A digital TV sold in Ireland should work with the Irish Digital TV service, you have in affect been sold a monitor and not a TV.

EDIT - Agree with darth maul , this is a very common question and needs to be added to a sticky. We could do with some of the current stickies being removed as they run their course -"Saorview Content Speculation" , "TV's working with Saorview - The List" ... have long since lost the plot.

puzzle factory

Thanks lads,tvs about 2years old i guess,1more question,can i upload mpeg4 codtec stuff on to it or is that even possible

The Cush

puzzle factory wrote: »

1more question,can i upload mpeg4 codtec stuff on to it or is that even possible

No, a replacement TV or STB will be required to receive Saorview.

Antenna

darth_maul wrote: »

*** Mods I thinks a Sticky needs to be made for this a a new thread like this is starting every couple of days. And they don't seem able to search.

And they are often from posters with tiny post counts. I suspect most of these posters know the reason already anyway, and are just disgruntled their MPEG2 TVs are not suitable. Some posters in the past possibly hoped RTE could be forced to change their mind and use MPEG2!

watty

Let's abandon FM Radio too and just use AM.

The fact is that the whole MPEG2 vs MPEG4 thing is incomprehensible to most people. As is DVB-T vs DVB-T2 in UK.

Though RTE scrapping DAB and doing something else with the money would not hurt.

lgs 4

watty wrote: »

Let's abandon FM Radio too and just use AM.

The fact is that the whole MPEG2 vs MPEG4 thing is incomprehensible to most people. As is DVB-T vs DVB-T2 in UK.

Though RTE scrapping DAB and doing something else with the money would not hurt.

your not dab fan RTE GOLD is great:D

Sponge Bob

If you bought that telly since 2009 bring it back for a full refund. you were sold a pup.

hbr

puzzle factory wrote: »

can anyone tell me why i can pick up all the rte digital radio stations on my tv but none of the tv channels,

You probably need a compatible TV or set-top box and a 'w' for your head.

implausible

darth_maul wrote: »

*** Mods I thinks a Sticky needs to be made for this a a new thread like this is starting every couple of days. And they don't seem able to search.

I agree. As a complete idiot, I've spent months on this forum trying to figure it out. A "Saorview - what do I need?" sticky would be really useful for absolute beginners with FAQ on the difference between it and Freeview, Freesat and FTA.

watty

lgs 4 wrote: »

your not dab fan RTE GOLD is great:D

Content, not technology is the important thing. DAB is practically more obsolete than MPEG2 TV anyway.

I've listened to RTE Gold on DTT. Better similar Dutch radio FTA on Satellite.

On Topic

Really everything people need to know about Saorview is covered better in dedicated websites than a sticky?

www.saorview.ie (official)
www.mpeg4ireland.com (very clean clear site)
www.saortv.info (hope to add more on Freesat, Freeview and Saorsat soon).

Steve31

Further advice needed. I recently posted that a freeview box (Philips DTR220/05) is only downloading a few music stations for me but no TV stations. At first after reading this tread I took it my TV was not compatable due to it been a 5plus yrs old but then I got thinking, Shouldnt the box (not TV) still pull the stations in to it when I am doing a scan? I am thinking I should see them come up on the list as been uploaded but when I try to view I woldnt get to see them because of the TV.. Can anyone explain to me what the box is not picking up the stations? trying to work out if I should upgrade to a new TV and will only do it if I can get this issue fixed first.. Thanks .

The Cush

Steve31 wrote: »

Further advice needed. I recently posted that a freeview box (Philips DTR220/05) is only downloading a few music stations for me but no TV stations. At first after reading this tread I took it my TV was not compatable due to it been a 5plus yrs old but then I got thinking, Shouldnt the box (not TV) still pull the stations in to it when I am doing a scan? I am thinking I should see them come up on the list as been uploaded but when I try to view I woldnt get to see them because of the TV.. Can anyone explain to me what the box is not picking up the stations? trying to work out if I should upgrade to a new TV and will only do it if I can get this issue fixed first.. Thanks .

The freeview receiver isn't compatible.

Internal MPEG-4 (L4.0) video decoder required for the Saorview channels, that receiver has an MPEG-2 video decoder only.

With a non compatible TV you will require a compatible STB for the Irish DTT channels.

sob1467

Ok so I am currently getting all the radio channels on my mpeg2 tv but no television channels. Does the fact that I am receiving the radio channels tell me that I am in an area where Saorview is receivable?

I'm asking because a neighbour told me I couldn't get Saorview because he couldn't get it.

The Cush

sob1467 wrote: »

Ok so I am currently getting all the radio channels on my mpeg2 tv but no television channels. Does the fact that I am receiving the radio channels tell me that I am in an area where Saorview is receivable?

Yes.

roonimirza

Sponge Bob wrote: »

If you bought that telly since 2009 bring it back for a full refund. you were sold a pup.

Hi there, is a proper law for this issue, as I bought TV late 2009, a Samsung and dont have the digital tuner built in..

Fatscally

I've just installed an antenne on the roof. I have good clear TV3 reception. The wire goes straight to the TV. The TV gives me the radio stations PLUS the TV channels with sound only. I would have guessed this is a weak signal but there is one ironic exception, RTE+1 shows a card "This channel will resume at 7pm".

Any thoughts?

The Cush

Fatscally wrote: »

I've just installed an antenne on the roof. I have good clear TV3 reception. The wire goes straight to the TV. The TV gives me the radio stations PLUS the TV channels with sound only. I would have guessed this is a weak signal but there is one ironic exception, RTE+1 shows a card "This channel will resume at 7pm".

Any thoughts?

Sound and no video indicates a non compatible digital TV for the Irish Saorview channels. Internal MPEG-4 video decoder required to decode the channels, the TV only has an MPEG-2 decoder it seems.

Post the model no.

Fatscally

The Cush wrote: »

Post the model no.

Samsung LE32 R888 BDX /XEU

Also found on other thread that a CAM card is not a good solution either.
One more question... why then does the RTE+1 come in with picture?

Oh well. Do you think she'll let me spring for that 55" 3D Sony telly I've been eyeballing? :rolleyes:

The Cush

Fatscally wrote: »

One more question... why then does the RTE+1 come in with picture?

That's an MHEG-5 generated caption, it's on RTÉ1 +1 and RTÉjr when the channels are off-air.

MHEG-5 is an internal software application used for digital text at the moment and the on-screen captions above and may be used for other interactive features in future such as red button services or green button epg.

Do you get digital aertel on any of the channels?

Fatscally

Does digital teletext look exactly like the regular teletext? If so then yes it comes in on RTE1 and TV3. I also got subtitles on RTE1. And I got the TV Guide.

The Cush

Fatscally wrote: »

Does digital teletext look exactly like the regular teletext? If so then yes it comes in on RTE1 and TV3. I also got subtitles on RTE1. And I got the TV Guide.

No, it doesn't look like regular teletext, it looks like the text page I linked to in my post above.

Select text on RTÉ2 or the RTÉ News Now channel, it may display the new digital aertel as these channels don't carry the traditional "analogue" text.

Subtitles and TV guide will be displayed as they are separate from MPEG-4 and MHEG-5.

The Cush

Fatscally wrote: »

Samsung LE32 R888 BDX /XEU

LE32 R88 BDX/XEU - http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200703/20070328192817046_BN68-01169A-01Eng-0313.pdf

This from the manual (page 9)

Any functions related to Digital TV (DVB) will only work in
countries or areas where DVB-T (MPEG2) digital terrestrial
signals are broadcasted.

Fatscally

Yup on RTE News Now it has the poshtext. Very spiffy.

So can I not get a good CAM card for this to sort me out for the RWC?

@The Cush - Thanks for all the help. No if you could help me convince the missus to let me buy the 55" 3D LED Sony that would be handy.

The Cush

Fatscally wrote: »

So can I not get a good CAM card for this to sort me out for the RWC?

No.

Saorview approved STB for that TV - http://www.saorview.ie/products-retailers/

The cheapest on the market at the moment I believe is this one from Argos - Bush €50

Fatscally wrote: »

@The Cush - Thanks for all the help. No if you could help me convince the missus to let me buy the 55" 3D LED Sony that would be handy.

Sorry, you're on your own on that one

borgbob

Hi - I think this question is answered by the fact that my Bravia KDL32V2000 is not listed on the 'approved list' on soarview site, but I want to double check. I get the radio channels but no TV, which I guess means that its not compatible with the Mpeg4 transmissions, correct?

If so, how much is the soarview set-top-box? Thanks!

The Cush

borgbob wrote: »

Hi - I think this question is answered by the fact that my Bravia KDL32V2000 is not listed on the 'approved list' on soarview site, but I want to double check. I get the radio channels but no TV, which I guess means that its not compatible with the Mpeg4 transmissions, correct?

Yes.

borgbob wrote: »

If so, how much is the soarview set-top-box? Thanks!

Bush STB in Argos €50, cheapest at the moment I believe.

Others listed here - http://www.saorview.ie/products-retailers/saorview-approved-product-listings/

borgbob

Thanks The Cush.

O'Connell

:oI have a Digital TV but it is not Saorview and people are saying I should get my money back, I am wondering has anyone got their money back on such a TV.

djmj

Hi

I'm getting 21 radio stations but no TV station it's that a problem with poor signal (Indoor TV Aerial) or that my TV is not Saorview. If I'm correct if the signal will be fine I need to get radio and Tv stations but TV chanels without picture ?

The Cush

djmj wrote: »

I'm getting 21 radio stations but no TV station it's that a problem with poor signal (Indoor TV Aerial) or that my TV is not Saorview.

Audio and no pictures would indicate no MPEG-4 video decoder in the TV for the Irish digital TV channels. STB will be required with that TV.

What is the model no. of the TV?

djmj wrote: »

If I'm correct if the signal will be fine I need to get radio and Tv stations but TV chanels without picture ?

Not sure what you're asking there. If you're asking about the received signal being OK for Saorview then the answer appears to be yes. Indoor aerials are OK in strong signal areas but can be prone to local interference.

djmj

Thank you for your answer The Cush .

The Cush wrote: »

What is the model no. of the TV?

Philips 37PF9731D

The Cush wrote: »

Not sure what you're asking there. If you're asking about the received signal being OK for Saorview then the answer appears to be yes. Indoor aerials are OK in strong signal areas but can be prone to local interference.

I'm surprised that I'm getting 21 channels - 21 radio channels and I'm not getting any TV channels at all.

The Cush

djmj wrote: »

I'm surprised that I'm getting 21 channels - 21 radio channels and I'm not getting any TV channels at all.

Saorview only transmit 10 radio channels, are the others the audio for the TV channels?

djmj

This is what I'm getting
1 - 11 Future Service
12 - RTE 2 FM
13 - RTE 2 XM
14 - RTE Chill
15 - RTE Choice
16 - RTE Gold
17 - RTE Lyric FM
18 - RTE Plus
19 - RTE Radio 1
20 - RTE Radio 1 Ex
21 - RTE Radio na

The Cush

djmj wrote: »

This is what I'm getting
1 - 11 Future Service
12 - RTE 2 FM
13 - RTE 2 XM
14 - RTE Chill
15 - RTE Choice
16 - RTE Gold
17 - RTE Lyric FM
18 - RTE Plus
19 - RTE Radio 1
20 - RTE Radio 1 Ex
21 - RTE Radio na

Mux 1 & 2 radio channels.

djmj

The Cush wrote: »

Mux 1 & 2 radio channels.

Why I'm not getting nothing more ? No TV channels ?

MarkK

djmj wrote: »

Why I'm not getting nothing more ? No TV channels ?

Your TV is not compatible with the MPEG4 encoding used for Saorview TV pictures.
You will need a set top box, PVR or a new telly to get Saorview.

The Cush

djmj wrote: »

Why I'm not getting nothing more ? No TV channels ?

No video on the TV channels would be down to no MPEG-4 video decoding but cannot say why you get no audio.

What country/region did you use when you installed the TV? Suggest you try France or Norway as the country and see if it make any difference.

Have you tried a firmware upgrade? http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=37PF9731D/10&scy=gb&slg=en&mid=Link_Software

djmj

I have the latest Philips firmware.
Before I was trying with UK as location but I'm getting this same if I setup France or Norway.

The Cush

djmj wrote: »

I have the latest Philips firmware.
Before I was trying with UK as location but I'm getting this same if I setup France or Norway.

Back to my original reply above - STB will be required with that TV.

djmj

The Cush wrote: »

Back to my original reply above - STB will be required with that TV.

Thank you The Cush with STB everything is working fine.

bertie4evr

I have this tv upstairs. It says that it is Saorview approved. When I do a channel scan I can see all the channels and radio stations but can't watch them. If its listed as Saorview approved ut doesn't work could I get a refund?

djmj

Are you getting only audio or what ?

bertie4evr

No. Once its finished installing them it brings me back to the channel list and only the radio stations are listed. I cant find the TV channels anywhere.

Mr McBoatface

bertie4evr wrote: »

No. Once its finished installing them it brings me back to the channel list and only the radio stations are listed. I cant find the TV channels anywhere.

Just bring it back and get a refund or exchange for a working product. It wouldn't be the first time Argos sold a non-compliant TV as compliant - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70788358 .

The official Saorview product page lists some Alba TV's but instead of actual model numbers it appears to have Argos Catalogue numbers listed !!!! For example on the Saorview product page Alba product 5298343 = Argos 529/8343

djmj

bertie4evr wrote: »

No. Once its finished installing them it brings me back to the channel list and only the radio stations are listed. I cant find the TV channels anywhere.

You have this same what I was getting on my TV before I bought STB box.

Enda Murphy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

If you bought that telly since 2009 bring it back for a full refund. you were sold a pup.

The tv the op was sold was not a pup, It would work fine with sky or upc which most people in this country have already been using for years, I dont know why anybody is arsed with saorview and its one and half new stations.

SRB

Enda, you have to pay for those services, plus, generally, they'll only be on one TV in your average house, unless you've a couple of boxes, multiroom subs etc. Soarview has widescreen, free to air and (ok, one) HD. If you're in an area with UK Freeview overspill or have a DTT/Freesat combi box, it's very attractive indeed.

The Cush

Enda Murphy wrote: »

I dont know why anybody is arsed with saorview and its one and half new stations.

Because 250,000 households don't want to or can't afford to pay an additional subscription over and above the TV Licence fee to watch our "free-to-air" public service channels. Over 600,000 (37%) households in the country receive TV through an aerial on at least one television in their home and in 12 months time if they don't switchover they will be looking at blank screens.

Enda Murphy

SRB wrote: »

Enda, you have to pay for those services, plus, generally, they'll only be on one TV in your average house, unless you've a couple of boxes, multiroom subs etc. Soarview has widescreen, free to air and (ok, one) HD. If you're in an area with UK Freeview overspill or have a DTT/Freesat combi box, it's very attractive indeed.

Saorview is not very different from analogue though, I mean 3E is the only full service you get thats not on analog, Sure Rte jr 12 hours of kids shows has been on RTE TWO for years expect it used to be called the den, You would swear that saorview is some kind of alternative to sky the way people are talking