Escort...

shakencat

What do you all think of them..?

Same idea as prostitutes?


what are your views..

shakencat

shakencat wrote: »

What do you all think of them..?


As bad as prostitutes?


what are your views..

What are yours?

Dudess

The sale of sex acts, in and of itself, isn't an issue for me - coercion, abuse, exploitation are, so once none of those are present and the woman is in control and looking after herself and has the option to give up this line of work when she wants, more power to her. It wouldn't be for me, but each to their own.

shakencat

bluewolf wrote: »

What are yours?

I honestly dont have a clue,

I met an escort a few days ago..

Who is afraid to admit what she does for a living..

Ive never thought about it, until now.

baby and crumble

What's the technical definition on escorts vs prostitutes? I'm assuming an escort is someone paid to socialise with someone, a prostitute is paid for some kind of sexual contact, is that about right?

I can see where, on a purely practical level, it might be useful- I'm thinking for men/women who socialise as part of their job, and for whom having a solid socialising partner is important, but perhaps they don't have a romantic partner at the time, or don't want to involve them in that side of the business...

I also don't think prostitutes are 'bad'. Just FYI.

parker kent

I thought escort was just a nicer name for prostitutes.

Anyway, I don't mind if a woman decides on her own free will to sell sex or her "time and companionship". Against her free will is a different issue altogether.

Pebbles68

I just assumed it was a legal loophole. An escort charges for her time and any sexual act is "at her descretion". So neither party can be accused of buying or selling sex.

Emme

zoegh wrote: »

What's the technical definition on escorts vs prostitutes? I'm assuming an escort is someone paid to socialise with someone, a prostitute is paid for some kind of sexual contact, is that about right?

I don't approve of anyone who sells sex as a result of coercion or more to the point, those who coerce them into selling sex. I personally cannot see the difference between an escort and a voluntary prostitute. If that's these women's career choice good luck to them but it's a dangerous one.

I cannot understand the need for escorts (as defined above) or indeed prostitutes because most reasonably presentable men can get a girl with very little hassle, well in Dublin anyway. Unless they're in a major hurry and haven't got time to chat a woman up.

I would imagine that much of escorts/prostitutes market are men who travel a lot for business and haven't the time to chat up a girl, or married men who want to be "discreet":rolleyes: because Ireland is so small there's a high risk of them getting caught if they don't pay for anonymity.

For example, one businessman staying in a particular hotel might request a prostitute to "service his needs" while the businessman in the room next door (let's hope the walls are soundproof) might request an escort to "spend some time with him". At the end of the day both women will probably be doing exactly the same thing with their clients and hopefully using protection while they're doing it.

BTW, I don't think prostitutes are "bad", but some of the things that happen to them are.

Malari

I thought an escort was an expensive prostitute! Or one that charges more because she looks like a model.

Red Hand

Emme wrote: »

I cannot understand the need for escorts (as defined above) or indeed prostitutes because most reasonably presentable men can get a girl with very little hassle, well in Dublin anyway. Unless they're in a major hurry and haven't got time to chat a woman up.

I wouldn't agree. Some men seem to be clueless as to how to do this...like there is this whole PUA phenomenon, which wasn't there before.

Which is more cringey...a step by step "system" for chatting up a girl (which seems a tad embarrassing for both parties) or doing a straight forward transaction for "affection" (again, embarrassing)?:pac:

Emme

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree. Some men seem to be clueless as to how to do this...like there is this whole PUA phenomenon, which wasn't there before.

Which is more cringey...a step by step "system" for chatting up a girl (which seems a tad embarrassing for both parties) or doing a straight forward transaction for "affection" (again, embarrassing)?:pac:

I think it might be easier to go to Coppers, or if you're really desperate and blind drunk, Rain!!!

Giselle

Emme wrote: »

I cannot understand the need for escorts (as defined above) or indeed prostitutes because most reasonably presentable men can get a girl with very little hassle, well in Dublin anyway. Unless they're in a major hurry and haven't got time to chat a woman up.

I don't think its that simple for a lot of people. Not all men are 'reasonably presentable' or attractive at all (or women for that matter). Not all men want to invest the time in chatting a woman up, or buying a drink or a meal in the hope of sex, when they can invest the money in a sure thing.

And not all men are confident enough to chat a woman up, even if they aren't in a hurry. I'm sure some people who use prostitutes do so because they enjoy being the ones who call the shots, and like knowing they're going to get what they're paying for.

There'd be no lonely people if interaction between the sexes was as simple as having enough time or being presentable.:)

Emme

Giselle wrote: »

Not all men want to invest the time in chatting a woman up, or buying a drink or a meal in the hope of sex, when they can invest the money in a sure thing.

These are the businessmen who are too busy to chat up a woman (or the married men who don't want to be seen chatting up a woman). I'd imagine that hotels are rife with prostitutes and escorts catering to these characters. That's all very fine (or not) but why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

Emme

Emme wrote: »

These are the businessmen who are too busy to chat up a woman (or the married men who don't want to be seen chatting up a woman). I'd imagine that hotels are rife with prostitutes and escorts catering to these characters. That's all very fine (or not) but why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

See.. you think people would go after a woman for the victory. Some just want it for the company, but would rather avoid the possibility of being shot down, which some cannot take.

Red Hand

Emme wrote: »

That's all very fine (or not) but why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

For a lot of men, I don't think so. The bitterness amongst some male users of this website towards women is a testament to that.:pac:

Have you seen the amount of drink that people need to consume for Dutch courage on a night out? And even then, that mightn't result in a chat lasting any more than a few seconds. There may be thousands of women but that doesn't mean that your average Joe Bloggs is scoring them.

Giselle

Emme wrote: »

That's all very fine (or not) but why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

Why would it be easy for a shy guy or a self conscious guy? If I was a guy I'd be destined to be alone forever, I'd be paralysed by the fear of rejection!:) Laziness is the last of it.

I think Emme that you're probably quite confident yourself and can't really picture how difficult it is for the shy types to work up the courage to make that first move. Never mind the second and subsequent ones!:)

Edit: What Jeremiah 16:1 said!

shinikins

To me they are one and the same, the word escort is used to "pretty up" the job. At the end of the day, both and escort and a prostitute sell sex, but an escort charges by the half hour/hour and a prostitute charges for the act. I'm all for women having the right to choose whatever career they want to, but to me, this must really be the most demeaning job you could pick. Okay, its good money, having had a look at the first (and most popular) escort website that Google throws up, most of them seem to make anywhere between €80-150 for a half hour. But the thoughts of accepting money so some man I don't know can throw me around a bed for his own sexual satisfaction is abhorrent to me. Yet there are so many of them-over 700 advertising on one site alone! They can't all be nymphomaniacs.

I know that there are men out there that can't have their sexual needs met due to various reasons, disabilty, or don't have a partner, or have crippling shyness, but come on, over 700? And bear in mind these women are seeing multiple men per day, so that is potentially thousands of men using their services, and thats just from one site. They can't all be unlucky in love!

Giselle

shinikins wrote: »

To me they are one and the same, the word escort is used to "pretty up" the job. At the end of the day, both and escort and a prostitute sell sex, but an escort charges by the half hour/hour and a prostitute charges for the act. I'm all for women having the right to choose whatever career they want to, but to me, this must really be the most demeaning job you could pick. Okay, its good money, having had a look at the first (and most popular) escort website that Google throws up, most of them seem to make anywhere between €80-150 for a half hour. But the thoughts of accepting money so some man I don't know can throw me around a bed for his own sexual satisfaction is abhorrent to me. Yet there are so many of them-over 700 advertising on one site alone! They can't all be nymphomaniacs.

I know that there are men out there that can't have their sexual needs met due to various reasons, disabilty, or don't have a partner, or have crippling shyness, but come on, over 700? And bear in mind these women are seeing multiple men per day, so that is potentially thousands of men using their services, and thats just from one site. They can't all be unlucky in love!

Just because there's 700 of them advertising doesn't mean that all 700 of them on the site are seeing multiple customers a day!

greengiant09

Emme wrote: »

Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

from my own experience, i certainly don't think it's as easy as you make out....if you really put in some ground work, are willing to take a fair bit of rejection and are willing to settle for just about anyone, then you have a decent chance of having a nite stand with someone on a nite out.

but why go to all the hassle, why sleep with someone you don't even find that attractive to ease an itch?...or deal with the rejection side of things. i can definitely see why some men would use them regularly. it's quick, it's easy, convenient....hate to make it sound like a product but that's essentially what it is.....

shinikins

Giselle wrote: »

Just because there's 700 of them advertising doesn't mean that all 700 of them on the site are seeing multiple customers a day!

Even if they only see 2 men a day that still adds up to 1400 men, these are only the women paying for advertising, there are a feew hundred more who advertise for free on the message boards, and thats only one site.

Corsendonk

The assumption is that men are customers and the escorts are female. Does vice versa exist?

Giselle

Corsendonk wrote: »

The assumption is that men are customers and the escorts are female. Does vice versa exist?

Vice versa exists, but its hard to find any hard numbers on the clientele after a cursory google. What comes up is firstly female prostitutes catering to male customers, then male prostitutes catering to male customers, then the quaintly named gigolos catering to female customers - the demographic defined as weathly women aged 40 - 60. But no real data on the prevalence.

Given the supply and apparent demand, I think its reasonable to assume its mostly, but not exclusively, women providers and male customers.

parker kent

Emme wrote: »

Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

You cannot compare the crippling shyness some men have with laziness. Not every man is able to approach women in the manner you suggest. There are all sorts of reasons ranging from shyness, disability, having faced severe rejection in the past etc. I don't think you understand what some men are faced with.

I'm not using this to be pro-prostitution, but you cannot say a man who is alone is lazy. That's just silly.

Corsendonk

Interesting article on servicing the sexual needs of disabled people in Holland. I can't see the concept taking off in Ireland.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/200313/hollands_pleasure_volunteers.html?cat=5

There is a famous story that has been circulating in Italy for years. The mother of a disabled boy -- so concerned that her son would not be deprived of the "typical things young men experience" went out and found her son a prostitute for his 18th birthday. Took the lady home and left the two alone for a couple of hours while she had coffee with a neighbor.

The concept was a noble one to be sure. The lady wound up drinking quite a bit of coffee with her neighbor over the ensuing years.

In the small town of Zeist, Holland - this basic idea has been taken a step further: a small squad of Dutch "nurses" is going above and beyond whatever you may think the term "physical care for the disabled" entails. According to an article in the 2 April edition of the Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera (www.corrieredellasera.it) the alternative healthcare group "Sar di Zeist in Holland" is the first group of its kind in the world that tries to meet the intimate needs of disabled men and women.

"Sar" is a Dutch term that describes Holland's permissive culture in general, and this type of Dutch "health care" in particular.

But lest you think that this practice is a dressed up term for prostitution, then think again: The Sar di Zeist has been around since 1982 and averages about 2500 "consensual" sexual relations each year. This according to the group's founder Rene' Vercoutre - handicapped and confined to a wheelchair since the age of 15. According to a translated article on www.ufch.dk, Vercoutre -- father of two and divorced - never considered sexual abstinence an option despite his disabilities. So he organized the Sar di Zeist to help others -- male and female -- with similar needs. The organization is run entirely by volunteers. The Corriere Della Sera quoted Vercoutre as saying, "...a typical "encounter" lasts about 90 minutes and costs about 85 euro..." A portion of that amount goes towards running the Sar's "call center" and the rest goes towards expenses of the facilitator.

The Sar organization has 12 female and 5 male volunteers. The Corriere Della Sera points out that 95% of sexual requests are from men and the rest from women. More than half who request this service suffer from physical disabilities, the rest suffer from varying degrees of mental handicap.

An article on BBC Online (www.bbconline.uk) explains that the procedure is simple: the disabled client will place a phone call to the Sar call center and arrange an encounter either in the home or a hotel. The "pleasure volunteer" as they are often called will evaluate each encounter case by case. And speaking of which, one volunteer who goes by the name of Caroline -- feels that a prostitute trying to offer the same services is not equipped emotionally to understand the needs of an encounter as delicate as one involving a handicapped man or woman.

Vercoutre says more than half the individuals request the same partner. And the list of clients extends far beyond the borders Holland. Many come from abroad - from Italy, Germany and even Spain. Many disabled men and women just want to experience some sense of normalcy in their lives - of which a sexual experience is a normal but important part.

Sometimes adds Vercoutre -- clients have fallen in love with volunteers. "It's not encouraged...but sometimes you can't prevent it..."

To its credit, the Vatican in Rome even recognized the work of the Sar organization, issuing a statement that read, "...particular attention should be given to those suffering disabilities and who merit the same effective sexual dimension in their lives....and who benefit from the work being performed by Sar in Holland..."

gargleblaster

greengiant09 wrote: »

from my own experience, i certainly don't think it's as easy as you make out....if you really put in some ground work, are willing to take a fair bit of rejection and are willing to settle for just about anyone, then you have a decent chance of having a nite stand with someone on a nite out.

but why go to all the hassle, why sleep with someone you don't even find that attractive to ease an itch?...or deal with the rejection side of things. i can definitely see why some men would use them regularly. it's quick, it's easy, convenient....hate to make it sound like a product but that's essentially what it is.....

Disagree. It is a service.

I would be interested to hear from women who would not find this line of work demeaning or objectionable. So far it seems that most people are fine with some other woman choosing to do this, but I find it odd that although everyone considers it a fine job for any woman who isn't coerced into doing it, it seems that none seem to consider it a fine and rewarding job for themselves. And on the other hand it would be interesting to hear from the males in the forum whether they would find it a fine job for their female friends, lovers, and relatives.

Novella

I think it's fine. If a woman wants to sell her time, in my opinion, that's up to her. As long as she's in control etc., I don't really see a problem with it.

Silverfish

gargleblaster wrote: »

Disagree. It is a service.

I would be interested to hear from women who would not find this line of work demeaning or objectionable. So far it seems that most people are fine with some other woman choosing to do this, but I find it odd that although everyone considers it a fine job for any woman who isn't coerced into doing it, it seems that none seem to consider it a fine and rewarding job for themselves. And on the other hand it would be interesting to hear from the males in the forum whether they would find it a fine job for their female friends, lovers, and relatives.

I'll be honest, I reckon I'd do it if I thought someone would pay me :P

Unfortunately like all things on the market, unless your product is as good as/ better than your competitor, you're not really going to make a hell of a lot of money.

gargleblaster

Silverfish wrote: »

I'll be honest, I reckon I'd do it if I thought someone would pay me :P

Unfortunately like all things on the market, unless your product is as good as/ better than your competitor, you're not really going to make a hell of a lot of money.

I applaud your honesty and bravery. I think a lot of the problem with sex work is the shaming involved.

I would have considered it but I don't think I could, simply due to the fear of the abuse that sex workers endure sometimes.

Novella

gargleblaster wrote: »

Disagree. It is a service.

I would be interested to hear from women who would not find this line of work demeaning or objectionable. So far it seems that most people are fine with some other woman choosing to do this, but I find it odd that although everyone considers it a fine job for any woman who isn't coerced into doing it, it seems that none seem to consider it a fine and rewarding job for themselves. And on the other hand it would be interesting to hear from the males in the forum whether they would find it a fine job for their female friends, lovers, and relatives.

Oh, I actually meant to reply to this. The reason I don't think I could be an escort is because of the kind of mentality I have. I guess I'm the sort of person who finds it quite difficult to keep others at arms length. I'm very open and I think I'd just find it too weird that I wasn't naturally connecting with people, simply being paid to be there. That's all, it's not that I'd find it demeaning.

Giselle

shinikins wrote: »

Even if they only see 2 men a day that still adds up to 1400 men, these are only the women paying for advertising, there are a feew hundred more who advertise for free on the message boards, and thats only one site.

I doubt many of them are seeing two a day or even have two regulars a week. I'm sure some are, but although its hard to find figures on google, instinct tells me not all the girls are full-time/that sucessful.

shinikins

Giselle wrote: »

I doubt many of them are seeing two a day or even have two regulars a week. I'm sure some are, but although its hard to find figures on google, instinct tells me not all the girls are full-time/that sucessful.

What's fulltime in terms of sex work though? By the way, when I worked in the hotel trade a few years back we used to check our single female guests against these sites, so I can tell you with some certainty that a lot of those girls have been working fairly regularly for the past few years, there are actually very few new faces for me. Its a very lucrative business for them, and there wouldn't be many who don't make a good living from it.

I'm pretty interested in Gargleblaster's question, are there many people out there who would tolerate their partner using escorts/prostitutes? I think its fairly obvious that I wouldn't-I've been cheated on by an ex in the past and he used them, so I would have very bad memories and feelings towards them. Quite blatently biased, I suppose. I know there are many people out there who would be more sexually permissive-open relationships, multiple partners, swinging-but that would be confined to a smaller pool of people. Would someone who is okay with swinging, for instance be okay with their partner seeing a prostitute? She would potentially have had far more sexual partners than a swinger, so would that be considered okay?

Giselle

shinikins wrote: »

when I worked in the hotel trade a few years back we used to check our single female guests against these sites,

Seriously? That sounds very close to assuming single female guests are prostitutes until proven otherwise.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it doesn't sit well.

shinikins

Giselle wrote: »

Seriously? That sounds very close to assuming single female guests are prostitutes until proven otherwise.

I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it doesn't sit well.

LOL, Its not like the receptionist says "hang on a minute madam, I just want to compare you to our list of known prostitutes" For the most part, its fairly easy to pick them out, many of them are foreign, they check in at certain times of days, and within 20-30 minutes there is a stream of men going up to their room. The staff can train the security cameras on that floor, and wait for them to have a visitor to their room that they shouldn't have. Then the Duty Manager or Hotel Security asks them to leave/Gardai are called. Or would you rather it not done and a knocking shop in the room next to you on your relaxing spa weekend?

Giselle

shinikins wrote: »

LOL, Its not like the receptionist says "hang on a minute madam, I just want to compare you to our list of known prostitutes" For the most part, its fairly easy to pick them out, many of them are foreign, they check in at certain times of days, and within 20-30 minutes there is a stream of men going up to their room. The staff can train the security cameras on that floor, and wait for them to have a visitor to their room that they shouldn't have. Then the Duty Manager or Hotel Security asks them to leave/Gardai are called. Or would you rather it not done and a knocking shop in the room next to you on your relaxing spa weekend?

No, I just got the impression from your post (wrongly, obviously) that it was a standard issue thing to do for a single woman guest. I was going to be paranoid next time I check in!:)

shinikins

Giselle wrote: »

No, I just got the impression from your post (wrongly, obviously) that it was a standard issue thing to do for a single woman guest. I was going to be paranoid next time I check in!:)

Oh god, no! Its different in every hotel obviously, but the last I worked in, we were required to check the sites before starting our shift for known escorts in the area. The one I worked in before that, we had to keep an eye out for suspicious activity. And as I said, its fairly obvious what they work at, for the most part. Most regular customer will enquire if the restaurant is still open, or if there are any nice ones in town, they will chat a bit to you about their plans, or mention they are in town for a meeting. You don't get that from an escort. There's alway a few who slip through, but vigilant staff will pick up any odd happenings pretty quickly, its pretty rare that a guest will ring down to reception asking why there's been continous loud sex noises coming from the adjacent room.

Thank God I don't deal with that anymore.:)

Emme

shinikins wrote: »

Oh god, no! Its different in every hotel obviously, but the last I worked in, we were required to check the sites before starting our shift for known escorts in the area. The one I worked in before that, we had to keep an eye out for suspicious activity. And as I said, its fairly obvious what they work at, for the most part. Most regular customer will enquire if the restaurant is still open, or if there are any nice ones in town, they will chat a bit to you about their plans, or mention they are in town for a meeting. You don't get that from an escort. There's alway a few who slip through, but vigilant staff will pick up any odd happenings pretty quickly, its pretty rare that a guest will ring down to reception asking why there's been continous loud sex noises coming from the adjacent room.

Thank God I don't deal with that anymore.:)

Interesting. How would hotel staff deal with businessmen who order escorts to visit them in the hotel? Are these women conspicuous as well as the ones who hire out rooms for escort services?

sam34

shinikins wrote: »

The staff can train the security cameras on that floor, and wait for them to have a visitor to their room that they shouldn't have. Then the Duty Manager or Hotel Security asks them to leave/Gardai are called.

I'm a bit confused by this. over the years I've stayed in hotels on my own a lot. and a good few times , if the hotel was near where a friend of mine lived, he'd call in, we'd have a drink in my room and then go for something to eat. seemed perfectly normal and ok to me. but I don't get what you mean by someone having a " visitor they shouldn't have"... surely a guest can have a visitor in their room as long as they don't stay overnight if the room has been booked for one? are you saying I could have aroused suspicion by checking in on my own and having a guy visit a while later , and possibly end up in the embarrassing situation of him being asked to leave?

Emme

sam34 wrote: »

I'm a bit confused by this. over the years I've stayed in hotels on my own a lot. and a good few times , if the hotel was near where a friend of mine lived, he'd call in, we'd have a drink in my room and then go for something to eat. seemed perfectly normal and ok to me. but I don't get what you mean by someone having a " visitor they shouldn't have"... surely a guest can have a visitor in their room as long as they don't stay overnight if the room has been booked for one? are you saying I could have aroused suspicion by checking in on my own and having a guy visit a while later , and possibly end up in the embarrassing situation of him being asked to leave?

I've called into friends staying in hotels on their own (some male) and never thought that I would arouse any sort of suspicion. Sometimes I'd drop in to say hello and have a bottle of wine, or else call in before heading out. I know somebody who used to meet one of her college teammates in his hotel room to work on a project (he used to come up from the country for weekend release workshops) and it was all innocent.

Unless you have CCTV installed in every room trained on the bed you're not going to be able to prove what people do (or don't do) in a hotel room.

shinikins

Emme wrote: »

Interesting. How would hotel staff deal with businessmen who order escorts to visit them in the hotel? Are these women conspicuous as well as the ones who hire out rooms for escort services?

Not much you can do about one person going to visit someone in their room, unless they are very blatent, or can be recognised.

sam34 wrote: »

surely a guest can have a visitor in their room as long as they don't stay overnight if the room has been booked for one? are you saying I could have aroused suspicion by checking in on my own and having a guy visit a while later , and possibly end up in the embarrassing situation of him being asked to leave?

Again, unless your a recognisable prostitute, there's not much the Hotel can do. Also, whether you're aware of it or not, every hotel has a curfew for visitors, it varies from one to the next. Most will close the front doors and not allow non-guests in after a certain time.

Emme wrote: »

Unless you have CCTV installed in every room trained on the bed you're not going to be able to prove what people do (or don't do) in a hotel room.

Thats the truth of it, but if you have a guest who has a revolving door policy on their bedroom starting shortly after they book in, you can pretty much prove they are not regular guests.

Dudess

Emme wrote: »

I cannot understand the need for escorts (as defined above) or indeed prostitutes because most reasonably presentable men can get a girl with very little hassle, well in Dublin anyway. Unless they're in a major hurry and haven't got time to chat a woman up.

Emme wrote: »

why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

I find the above bizarre - I'm not being hostile, but... how can you think in such simplistic terms?

gargleblaster wrote: »

I would be interested to hear from women who would not find this line of work demeaning or objectionable. So far it seems that most people are fine with some other woman choosing to do this, but I find it odd that although everyone considers it a fine job for any woman who isn't coerced into doing it, it seems that none seem to consider it a fine and rewarding job for themselves.

Well I never said it's a fine and rewarding job - but many jobs aren't. I wouldn't do it by choice because I can only have sex with men I'm attracted to, but I get that others are able to completely detach themselves when it comes to sex, and that includes treating it as a business transaction. I know it's pretty complex though, and there are no doubt women working as prostitutes who had a choice to do it or not, but still hate the work and would gladly give it up if they could afford to...

shakencat

shakencat wrote: »

What do you all think of them..?

Same idea as prostitutes?


what are your views..

I think an escort is a prostitute (rightly or wrongly).
Now I also think any single lad who goes to Thailand is going there just to shag prostitutes so I may well be completely wrong with the an escort is a prostitute thing.

lol at the insight into what hotel staff do :pac:

LegacyUser

is there any reason to think these testimonies aren't real?

http://www.turnofftheredlight.ie/learn-more/testimonies/

if it isn't legal, it can't be good. it just can't. and when it is legal, it needs to be very, very heavily and strictly regulated.

vicecreamsundae

Dudess wrote: »

The sale of sex acts, in and of itself, isn't an issue for me - coercion, abuse, exploitation are, so once none of those are present and the woman is in control and looking after herself and has the option to give up this line of work when she wants, more power to her. It wouldn't be for me, but each to their own.

I agree with that. Though my views get a bit complicated.
I think people should have the right to do what they want with their own body, and I don't see why it should be legal to pay someone to give you a back massage but not to have sex with you.
And I wouldn't judge someone who worked as an escort, even though again, I couldn't do it.
But I would absolutely judge a man who ever went to an escort and would want nothing to do with one. And as much as I don't think a woman is disgusting if she's happy to have sex with someone for money, I would find a man disgusting if he thinks it's okay to have sex with a woman who is only doing it for the money.

So my stance confuses me sometimes. Ethically, I think it should be legal and yet I would really hate to live in a society where going to see a prosititute is accepted as normal or okay - to the point where it could get hard to meet a guy who hasn't!

Exile 1798

vicecreamsundae wrote: »

I agree with that. Though my views get a bit complicated.
I think people should have the right to do what they want with their own body, and I don't see why it should be legal to pay someone to give you a back massage but not to have sex with you.
And I wouldn't judge someone who worked as an escort, even though again, I couldn't do it.
But I would absolutely judge a man who ever went to an escort and would want nothing to do with one. And as much as I don't think a woman is disgusting if she's happy to have sex with someone for money, I would find a man disgusting if he thinks it's okay to have sex with a woman who is only doing it for the money.

So my stance confuses me sometimes. Ethically, I think it should be legal and yet I would really hate to live in a society where going to see a prosititute is accepted as normal or okay - to the point where it could get hard to meet a guy who hasn't!

Isn’t your professed disgust at men who visit prostitutes just a way of being disgusted at the women by proxy?

Your views seem to be complicated only by the fact that you don’t want to be seen as condemning the woman in the situation. That would be unseemly, it certainly is becoming less and less socially acceptable to speak of "whores" and the like. Rightly so.

irishh_bob

Emme wrote: »

These are the businessmen who are too busy to chat up a woman (or the married men who don't want to be seen chatting up a woman). I'd imagine that hotels are rife with prostitutes and escorts catering to these characters. That's all very fine (or not) but why would the average Joe Bloggs use prostitutes/escorts - it takes the challenge out of chatting up a woman and there's no sense of victory from "scoring". Are men really that lazy? I would imagine that it's really easy for a man to score on an average night out in Dublin, there are thousands of women out there.

regardless of what women say , they are not into sex as much as men , a woman can choose to have sex whenever she wants , women choose celebacy where as some men have it cast upon them , if sex was as difficult for women to get as it is for men , male escorts would be a lot more common

gargleblaster

irishh_bob wrote: »

regardless of what women say , they are not into sex as much as men , a woman can choose to have sex whenever she wants , women choose celebacy where as some men have it cast upon them , if sex was as difficult for women to get as it is for men , male escorts would be a lot more common

This is just not the case. People who have this view of the world seem to be ignoring the fact that there are women who are unattractive and won't lower their standards so they don't find it so easy to get sex, either. If men were willing to sleep with unattractive women or much older women they would find it much easier as well.

As for women not being as 'into' sex, you wouldn't be as into it either if you weren't nearly guaranteed to have an orgasm every time.

"About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/sex-study-female-orgasm-eludes-majority-women/story?id=8485289

irishh_bob

gargleblaster wrote: »

This is just not the case. People who have this view of the world seem to be ignoring the fact that there are women who are unattractive and won't lower their standards so they don't find it so easy to get sex, either. If men were willing to sleep with unattractive women or much older women they would find it much easier as well.

As for women not being as 'into' sex, you wouldn't be as into it either if you weren't nearly guaranteed to have an orgasm every time.

"About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/sex-study-female-orgasm-eludes-majority-women/story?id=8485289

the threat of pregnancy also makes women less promiscious than men ,as for your point about unattractive women , an unatractive women still has a better chance of getting laid than an ugly guy , men have much lower standards then women when it comes to sex

Silverfish

irishh_bob, please read the charter of this forum before posting again, thank you.

vicecreamsundae

Exile 1798 wrote: »

Isn’t your professed disgust at men who visit prostitutes just a way of being disgusted at the women by proxy?

Your views seem to be complicated only by the fact that you don’t want to be seen as condemning the woman in the situation. That would be unseemly, it certainly is becoming less and less socially acceptable to speak of "whores" and the like. Rightly so.

I don't think so. The difference is that as a straight woman, female escorts aren't potential suitors (wow what an oldschool term..) for me. I don't care what they do with their bodies, or about their personal attitudes towards sex.

If a man paid for sex it would entirely affect how I consider his attitudes towards women, and towards sex. I could be wrong of course, but I have the right to make those assumptions, and I would just have nothing to do with a guy who visits escorts. As in, I could be friends with a guy like that but would never consider dating him.

I guess I should clarify that when

Dudess

Re being turned off a man who has ever paid for sex: hmmm... I don't know... I'd have to know the story behind each case. I don't know whether it's necessarily an automatically bad thing...

vicecreamsundae

for me it would. although, BIGGER turn off : man who didn't pay for sex when he should have. friend of a friend brags about ordering a girl in thailand and afterwards pretending he had no money. ugh.