Three girls pin down 11 y/o boy and strip him naked

fulhamfanincork

See story and blurred vid: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-01/Online-video-shows-Fort-Myers-boy-being-bullied

His mother won't press charges.

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here, so can I get your opinions on this please?

metrovelvet

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

See story and blurred vid: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-01/Online-video-shows-Fort-Myers-boy-being-bullied

His mother won't press charges.

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here, so can I get your opinions on this please?

I would totally press charges, assult, battery and child porn then posted on youtube. Sick bitches.

Bullseye1

Title is misleading. Shouldn't it read stripped Him naked? Anyway appalling behaviour.

FouxDaFaFa

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here, so can I get your opinions on this please?

Give us a little credit. I'm not sitting here thinking "oh, it's okay. He's only a boy." This is a horrible thing for the lad to have to go through. I would say the same thing if it was a girl.

Stheno

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here, so can I get your opinions on this please?

That's a bit of a leap imo.

The mother is the person who made the choice not to press charges, regardless of the gender of the child I would view her decision as being the one to be criticised. The behaviour of the three girls is appalling.

Stheno

metrovelvet wrote: »

I would totally press charges, assult, battery and child porn then posted on youtube. Sick bitches.

Read the article, the three girls would only have been charged with misdemeanours.

Links234

Disgusting behavior and appalling that the mother didn't press charges. What is wrong with her?

Silverfish

Well, from what I can see on the other thread, lads themselves are finding this a source of jokes.

Not seeing many female posters doing that yet.

It's a disgrace, like any assault on a child, by anyone.

Can't believe the parents not pressing charges.

metrovelvet

Stheno wrote: »

That's a bit of a leap imo.

The mother is the person who made the choice not to press charges, regardless of the gender of the child I would view her decision as being the one to be criticised. The behaviour of the three girls is appalling.

The mother I think is still deliberating on pressing charges. She doesnt want their futures ruined over it but she wants them to face consequesces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeadI7jieDY&NR=1

krudler

Its crazy she's not pressing charges, he was essentially sexually assaulted

Asphyxia

This is just awful I would definitely press charges :mad: That poor kid is being abused and violated :mad:

Those girls deserve a good slap!

metrovelvet

The weird thing is this kind of thing happens in summer camps all the time in the US. Its like a tradition or something. Doesnt make it right, but can explain why these girls might thing it was an ok thing to do.

Maple

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Title is misleading. Shouldn't it read stripped Him naked? Anyway appalling behaviour.

Thread title edited

Maple

enfant terrible

Stheno wrote: »

That's a bit of a leap imo.

The mother is the person who made the choice not to press charges, regardless of the gender of the child I would view her decision as being the one to be criticised. The behaviour of the three girls is appalling.

Can the police not press charges without the mothers permission?

Stheno

enfant terrible wrote: »

Can the police not press charges without the mothers permission?

Dunno tbh probably depends on the state they were in and their rules about juvenile offenders?

Even if they were charged and convicted, from the little I know of the States juvenile records tend to be sealed once they turn 18.

metrovelvet

enfant terrible wrote: »

Can the police not press charges without the mothers permission?

Not for the assault.

They potenitally and arguably could for manufacturing and distribution of child pornography.

MagicMarker

Some things are just viewed as being more serious as other things, it's not right, but that's just how it is.

For instance, if 3 teenage boys strip down an 11 year old girl it's immediately viewed as a sexually heinous act. Sex must play a part somewhere in that if 3 boys are doing that to a young girl, most sexual assaults are of course carried out by men after all.

For some reason it's just not viewed the same way when the tables are turned, I know when I first heard this story I didn't think it was sexual in nature, just 3 girls being really mean to a boy.

PK2008

I get the 'double standard' perspective in a general sense but I dont think we should apply any hard rules to these things, they should be treated on a case by case basis.

Im not saying its not serious, just that its a bit too knee jerky to start labeling people (boys or girls) sexual offenders and what not.

I think common sense can prevail in these situations, the mother may be right...

WindSock

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here, so can I get your opinions on this please?

What are you expecting in here? Do you expect women to post to suit the agenda of 'oh well it's not so bad as the victim is a boy...?' Will you be disappointed or gladened to see most women don't think this way, or ignore the fact it was men making the jokes in AH about him being 'chuffed' about it.

enfant terrible

WindSock wrote: »

What are you expecting in here? Do you expect women to post to suit the agenda of 'oh well it's not so bad as the victim is a boy...?' Will you be disappointed or gladened to see most women don't think this way, or ignore the fact it was men making the jokes in AH about him being 'chuffed' about it.

Ya to be fair I think the poor lad would get more sympathy from the women on here than the guys in AH's.

PK2008 wrote: »

I get the 'double standard' perspective in a general sense but I dont think we should apply any hard rules to these things, they should be treated on a case by case basis.

Im not saying its not serious, just that its a bit too knee jerky to start labeling people (boys or girls) sexual offenders and what not.

I think common sense can prevail in these situations, the mother may be right...

Is there a double standard though, if it was three boys on one girl would it be charged as a sexual crime?

Would they be placed on a sex offenders list?

PK2008

enfant terrible wrote: »

Is there a double standard though, if it was three boys on one girl would it be charged as a sexual crime?

Would they be placed on a sex offenders list?

I think in the eyes of the general public there would be a double standard in the first reaction but not in the eyes of the law, at least, Id like to think the incident and circumstances would be investigated.

All in all, I think trying to apply equality arguments to these situations is specious- the law doesn't work that way

enfant terrible

PK2008 wrote: »

I think in the eyes of the general public there would be a double standard in the first reaction but not in the eyes of the law, at least, Id like to think the incident and circumstances would be investigated.

All in all, I think trying to apply equality arguments to these situations is specious- the law doesn't work that way

Well the view of the law is the important one and if they react in the same way regardless of gender than there really isn't a problem.

Saying that I can't imagine three guys getting away with attacking a younger girl and posting the video online, whether the parents want to press charges or not.

Morag

If that was my son I would want them prosecuted to the full extent of the law and written apologies and restraining orders.

PK2008

enfant terrible wrote: »

Well the view of the law is the important one and if they react in the same way regardless of gender than there really isn't a problem.

Saying that I can't imagine three guys getting away with attacking a younger girl and posting the video online, whether the parents want to press charges or not.

That is because we all judge situations through our own prism of experience and bias- the public might judge 3 guys as sexual deviants in this situation, you might judge this situation as a double standard, I might do the same- in fact in a similar situation the law may even be prove that the assailants are sexual deviants but that would be based on fact and due process and based on specific legal definitions of sexual assault not on opinion or double standard- the justice system may not be perfect but it has learned to judge each case on its own merits, despite public opinions.

If there is a double standard then its a general public one not a legal one

dfx-

MagicMarker wrote: »

For some reason it's just not viewed the same way when the tables are turned, I know when I first heard this story I didn't think it was sexual in nature, just 3 girls being really mean to a boy.

I haven't read any other thread or any original video bar this thread, but I'd agree with this. From the video, there doesn't seem to be violent intent or malice or indeed sexual intent. It's why I don't get the claims of charges like assault or pornography

Pretty low to put it on the Internet which opens up a world of bullying that could affect him more so than the incident, I'd guess. I'd agree with the mother's handling of it too.

metrovelvet

dfx- wrote: »

I haven't read any other thread or any original video bar this thread, but I'd agree with this. From the video, there doesn't seem to be violent intent or malice or indeed sexual intent. It's why I don't get the claims of charges like assault or pornography

Pretty low to put it on the Internet which opens up a world of bullying that could affect him more so than the incident, I'd guess. I'd agree with the mother's handling of it too.

Because the world has changed. Kids are being judged in some ways now the way adults are.

Six year old boy gets sex harrassment charge for hitting a girl on the bum in a plaground.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AsSeenOnGMA/story?id=4585388

7 year old boy gets cleared of sex harrassment charge for kissing a girl.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=ADkDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=7+year+old+boy+sex+harrassment+charge&source=bl&ots=_b3hVRivqq&sig=XS-VA3sL4OGEKdyvoICxxcCZwek&hl=en&ei=IFHrTb3QIZSHhQf78qC6Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

The porn charge would be a push. But posting nude pictures of children on the web is not on and if it were an adult who did that they would get a charge for it.

Im not sure I totally have the facts of the OPS case. The boy was 11 but the girls were 15 is that right?

Dudess

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

If the gender roles were reversed there would have been mass hysteria on here

People aren't that aware of the story - perhaps try not to jump to such gleeful conclusions? Or have you an axe to grind...?

Maybe you'd like it if women here were to respond with "Who cares? Males wouldn't mind it"... well, sorry to disappoint ya.

Mary28

That's terrible. The poor child. God if anyone touched one of my boys I'd kick their heads in, that'd be the only reason I wouldn't press charges - I'd deal with it myself! Not sure how long it would take sanity to return if someone touched my children.

I do think she should press charges though, to make the point to everyone that it's not ok. I can understand that she might not want to put the boy through the possible media and court circus that might ensue however.

It's great to see those kids who bullied that Irish girl get put through the mill in the courts. I doubt it would make kids think twice about bullying still however, they're often probably too young to pay much attention to what happens in the media.

miec

I have to say I found it upsetting that they did that to the boy, I know how he feels, when I was 12 a bunch of girls rounded on me on the beach, pulled of my bottoms and giggled at my nether regions. It was a deeply humilating experience and to be honest in my opinion a form of sexual assault and at 12 years plus, those kids are old enough to know better. If I was the mother of that boy I would ensure those three girls paid a high price for their sickening behaviour. I would expect the same punishment meted out to females the same as males.

booboo88

tis is rather disgusting actually, stripped him naked and posted on tube for fun????
sick kiddies out there

peasant

Silverfish wrote: »

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Can't believe the parents not pressing charges.

Asphyxia wrote: »

This is just awful I would definitely press charges :mad: That poor kid is being abused and violated :mad:

Links234 wrote: »

Disgusting behavior and appalling that the mother didn't press charges. What is wrong with her?

Sharrow wrote: »

If that was my son I would want them prosecuted to the full extent of the law and written apologies and restraining orders.

It doesn't say how old those girls were, but assuming they are around the same age as the boy ...what is wrong with you people???

Kids ...they are just kids. Badly behaved kids that are in urgent need of correction but kids nonetheless.

Seems to me that the mother of the boy is the only one with a bit of sense left:

the boy's mother has refused to press charges. She wants the girls' parents to hand out a punishment instead

Relying on the law to sort this is bad parenting ...the kind of bad parenting that makes these things possible in the first place.

booboo88

peasant wrote: »

Seems to me that the mother of the boy is the only one with a bit of sense left:


Relying on the law to sort this is bad parenting ...the kind of bad parenting that makes these things possible in the first place.

That said, theres no gaurantee that the parents will actually punish them

peasant

booboo88 wrote: »

That said, theres no gaurantee that the parents will actually punish them

The mother could still press charges if it came to that ...potentially even against the parents

Wibbs

peasant wrote: »

It doesn't say how old those girls were, but assuming they are around the same age as the boy ...what is wrong with you people???

Kids ...they are just kids. Badly behaved kids that are in urgent need of correction but kids nonetheless.

Seems to me that the mother of the boy is the only one with a bit of sense left:




Relying on the law to sort this is bad parenting ...the kind of bad parenting that makes these things possible in the first place.

I'd be agreeing with that TBH.

Dolbert

The girls were 15 afaik.

Overheal

Thank god the local news team published the video, and the boys name.

Dudess

peasant wrote: »

It doesn't say how old those girls were, but assuming they are around the same age as the boy ...what is wrong with you people???

What is wrong with you? Going against the grain for the sake of it? If they were 12, they assaulted and humiliated another 12-year-old and deserve consequences. Last I heard, 12 is well past toddler stage. I don't believe they should be put through anything too severe, but not understanding people's disgust at this is just obtuse.

JdF_64

peasant wrote: »

It doesn't say how old those girls were, but assuming they are around the same age as the boy ...what is wrong with you people???

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Forcibly stripping a child naked in a public place is a horrible thing to do. No matter who did it , it dosen't make things any easier for the child that was attacked

enfant terrible

peasant wrote: »

It doesn't say how old those girls were, but assuming they are around the same age as the boy ...what is wrong with you people???

Kids ...they are just kids. Badly behaved kids that are in urgent need of correction but kids nonetheless.

If a bunch of guys pulled your clothes off, video taped it and put it on the internet would you say the same?

Or is it just ok to do to young kids?

peasant

Dudess wrote: »

What is wrong with you? Going against the grain for the sake of it? If they were 12, they assaulted and humiliated another 12-year-old and deserve consequences.

Absolutely, they deserve consequences.

I doubt however that the "full rigour of the law" or a restraining order would teach them anything other than not to get caught. The law, with all it's negotiating, with the legalese differences between what is the law and what is right, what is justice and what is fairness ...that's for adults. It won't teach kids anything and it will certainly not raise them to be responsible adults.

Their parents on the other hand, coming down on them like a ton of bricks, reining them in and giving them guidance ...they might just achieve that.

Jack B. Badd

krudler wrote: »

Its crazy she's not pressing charges, he was essentially sexually assaulted

Is "naked" automatically equivalent to "sexual" now? I agree that he was assaulted but I fail to see the sexual nature (as I would if the victim had been female and the attackers male regardless of age).

Marty McFly

Thats fookin shocking, by the way middle school in the u.s means ages ranging 10-14 it doesnt state how old they are, but going by the video they do seem to look older than him, if they are 14 they would be more than aware of the severity of what they were doing and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Morag

To my mind the parents have already failed with their daughters, and once they are entered in the juvenile system, even with a court date that automatically triggers socail services and other agencies who will review and work with those families. If the parents are capable then they will be left to it if they are not then they will get help.

As for the restraining order don't under estimate the effect on the child who was assaulted to try and help them feel safe again.

peasant

enfant terrible wrote: »

If a bunch of guys pulled your clothes off, video taped it and put it on the internet would you say the same?

Or is it just ok to do to young kids?

Where did I say that it was ok what they did?

They absolutely need to be corrected/punished for what they did.

I just don't think that outsourcing that punishment (and at the end of the day the responsibility) to "the law" is the appropriate way to raise children.

These girls need a stern talking to from their parents and continued supervision and guidance. They need to lose their mobile phone and computer priviledges until they have proven themselves to be responsible enough for them. They need to apologise to the boy in question.

What they don't need is a conviction for child pornography (:rolleyes:)

Wibbs

I agree 100% peasant, if the parents are otherwise responsible types. Too many aren't and will only respond to outside pressure(and sometimes not even then). Maybe the mother of the kid knows the parents in question and figures they're usually good parents so didnt press charges? If so game ball as I would agree responsible parenting is a better bet than going all "official".

Emme

peasant wrote: »

These girls need a stern talking to from their parents and continued supervision and guidance. They need to lose their mobile phone and computer priviledges until they have proven themselves to be responsible enough for them. They need to apologise to the boy in question.

Disgraceful behaviour from the girls in question. I think that the boy's parents should press charges. Regardless of this, the girls should be grounded for a year and as stated above, lose computer and mobile phone access during this time.

Morag

Any conviction they would get would be quashed and the record sealed once they turn 18.

gargleblaster

In addition to being punished by parents, I do think those girls should be forced to attend counseling sessions, along with their parents if need be. What they did shows a disturbing lack of empathy as well as a propensity for cruelty. I think having them discuss those issues with a professional would be worthwhile.

Overheal

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Thats fookin shocking, by the way middle school in the u.s means ages ranging 10-14 it doesnt state how old they are, but going by the video they do seem to look older than him, if they are 14 they would be more than aware of the severity of what they were doing and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If they are 14 they're Juveniles. By legal definition they are not fully aware. Think back to all the dumb things you did as a Juvenile, and how aware you were of how stupid those things were to do. It's not like this was a premeditated assault or anything. It's the reason we have Juvenile Law in the first place. Not that a Juvenile can't be tried as an adult with special court order, but those are exceptional circumstances and I doubt this qualifies.

Marty McFly

Overheal wrote: »

If they are 14 they're Juveniles. By legal definition they are not fully aware. Think back to all the dumb things you did as a Juvenile, and how aware you were of how stupid those things were to do. It's not like this was a premeditated assault or anything. It's the reason we have Juvenile Law in the first place. Not that a Juvenile can't be tried as an adult with special court order, but those are exceptional circumstances and I doubt this qualifies.

While I do see your point, at 14 I would have never done this to anybody I may have done some stupid things but never anything like that, I wouldve known the consequences and reaction it wouldve recieved, yes in the eyes of the law they may not be fully aware, But you can be pretty sure those girls knew how wrong it was. It really shows they have a really screwed up moral compass, im not saying lock them up but I am saying prosecute them to hammer home the severity of what theyve done, I also agree as ive read in previous posts make them attend counselling, and that there parents should come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Also I may or may not have been premeditated, but sure as hell was premeditated to put the video of it up on youtube for the whole world to see. That 11 yr old boy could be left with some pretty bad emotional scarring from this whole episode.

enfant terrible

peasant wrote: »

Where did I say that it was ok what they did?

They absolutely need to be corrected/punished for what they did.

I just don't think that outsourcing that punishment (and at the end of the day the responsibility) to "the law" is the appropriate way to raise children.

These girls need a stern talking to from their parents and continued supervision and guidance. They need to lose their mobile phone and computer priviledges until they have proven themselves to be responsible enough for them. They need to apologise to the boy in question.

What they don't need is a conviction for child pornography (:rolleyes:)

Just to be clear you believe if this was done to an adult i.e you, the other adults should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

and if done to a kid by older kids, grounding and the like should suffice.