why own a dangerous breed?

planetX

I witnessed a small dog being killed by a rottweiler, and I'll never forget it. It took a brave man to repeatedly punch it in the face for it to let go, but the little dog was already dead - killed in front of it's elderly owner.
I sometimes walk a friends dog, and we have to pass by a property with two rottweilers who go crazy on the other side of the fence. Now we also pass a lot of other troublesome dogs (out in the country), snappy jack russells and nasty tempered collies. The difference is I don't fear for my life with them - I know that if those two snarling dogs ever get through that fence either me or dog will be dead.
I love dogs, but these ones scare me like no other breed because of their strength. I don't see the sense in breeding them to be pets, when there are so many other more suitable dogs out there.

are you serious

planetX wrote: »

I know that if those two snarling dogs ever get through that fence either me or dog will be dead.

I don't see the sense in breeding them to be pets, when there are so many other more suitable dogs out there.

Both statements made me laugh :rolleyes:

Firstly why dont you walk another way so if you are in such fear of these two dogs?

Secondly as a lot of previous posts have already stated including mine, we dont like other breeds(we do but just dont want them as our pets) we love our RB's and we choose these breeds because we want them as our pets.

planetX

garkane wrote: »

Both statements made me laugh :rolleyes:

Firstly why dont you walk another way so if you are in such fear of these two dogs?

Secondly as a lot of previous posts have already stated including mine, we dont like other breeds(we do but just dont want them as our pets) we love our RB's and we choose these breeds because we want them as our pets.

well if you had quoted me less selectively you would see that I HAVE to pass that way. There has been trouble before with these two dogs getting out, guards have been involved, and I've no doubt it won't end well.
Laugh away, it's my opinion based on bad experiences. I would never in a million years get one of these dogs, and I would cross the road to get away from yours. You have to respect peoples fears and not rubbish them.

are you serious

Apologies for that so I missed the word "have"!

I'm not rubbishing your opinion I just find it narrow minded thats all.

Whispered

planetX wrote: »

well if you had quoted me less selectively you would see that I HAVE to pass that way. There has been trouble before with these two dogs getting out, guards have been involved, and I've no doubt it won't end well.
Laugh away, it's my opinion based on bad experiences. I would never in a million years get one of these dogs, and I would cross the road to get away from yours. You have to respect peoples fears and not rubbish them.

Either way you shouldn't have to go another way because of someones dogs. The dogs escaping is a problem, but it is again a problem caused by the owner.

I understand your fear. My fear is horses - horsey people wont understand, but I find the very large, skittish and unpredictable. I know though that in the right hands, a horse is not a danger. In the wrong hands it can be. Similarly for these dogs, or any dog. The problem is finding the "right hands". I have a staffy here who is 14kg. He's an RB. The lab next door is twice his size and is less socialised than my boy. I'm 100% sure that she's more of a "danger". I don't think anybody feels that there is no need to protect against dangerous dogs. I just think there needs to be a better way of deciding what dogs are dangerous.

planetX

Whispered wrote: »

Either way you shouldn't have to go another way because of someones dogs. The dogs escaping is a problem, but it is again a problem caused by the owner.

I understand your fear. My fear is horses - horsey people wont understand, but I find the very large, skittish and unpredictable. I know though that in the right hands, a horse is not a danger. In the wrong hands it can be. Similarly for these dogs, or any dog. The problem is finding the "right hands". I have a staffy here who is 14kg. He's an RB. The lab next door is twice his size and is less socialised than my boy. I'm 100% sure that she's more of a "danger". I don't think anybody feels that there is no need to protect against dangerous dogs. I just think there needs to be a better way of deciding what dogs are dangerous.

I agree that there should be a better way, and that the owners are the problem. I suspect the two dogs I pass are only there as guard-dogs, I doubt they are well-loved pets from what I know of the owners. I feel sorry for them, but I'm still scared.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a dog lover and I respect peoples right to own the breed they love, even if I don't understand why. I can't help being put off by the attack I saw, and that was pet on pet. Maybe you should have to pass some kind of ownership and training test before being allowed to own any dog.

are you serious

+1 on the ownership training/test!

ppink

planetX wrote: »

I witnessed a small dog being killed by a rottweiler, and I'll never forget it. It took a brave man to repeatedly punch it in the face for it to let go, but the little dog was already dead - killed in front of it's elderly owner.
I sometimes walk a friends dog, and we have to pass by a property with two rottweilers who go crazy on the other side of the fence. Now we also pass a lot of other troublesome dogs (out in the country), snappy jack russells and nasty tempered collies. The difference is I don't fear for my life with them - I know that if those two snarling dogs ever get through that fence either me or dog will be dead.
I love dogs, but these ones scare me like no other breed because of their strength. I don't see the sense in breeding them to be pets, when there are so many other more suitable dogs out there.

what would you class as a more suitable dog?

psycho-hope

A dog is a dog in my eyes, my own dog was attacked by a boxer and left with nerve damage and ive been bitten by a yorkie and have a scar to prove it, they might be small but they have bloody sharp teeth.

its all down to how you train them, my neighbour has a rottie and another has a staffie(possibly about to rescue another from the pound) and there the most laid back chilled out dogs ive ever met, where my bf's JRT is a nutcase and regularly trys to start world war 3 with dogs twice her size.

Bullseye1

As an owner of a Rhodesian Ridgeback (RB) I haven't read much negative press about them. Yet they are restricted. A good strong dog club can help educate people who are interested in owning one of these breeds. When I first showed an interest in owning a Ridgeback I called to see the secretary of the Ridgeback Club and was essentially interviewed as to my suitability as an owner. I was also given good advice on what is expected of you as an owner of a RB. There is just so much more responsibility than owning a non restricted breed. Walking your dog on a lead and muzzled at all times in public is simply ignored by too many ignorant RB owners. It is these irresponsible owners who give RB owners a bad name. If you love your dog your not going to put them into a situation where they can get themselves into trouble.

zenno

suicide_circus wrote: »

staffie

when it comes to staffie's 2 legs are good but 4 legs are bad. my friend has a staffordshire bull terrior and it is a very powerfull modra it licks people to death and only want's a rub but these dog's have serious affection to humans but unfortunately they can and will attack other dogs to the death. beautiful creatures but the owner needs to have intelligence and mussle this breed when close to other dogs only as I said they have serious affection towards humans.

are you serious

However much I agree with you Bullseye, I'd put my house on it that while you are out walking your dog, I'm sure you always get asked what breed is it? Even though they are on the RB list! In my local park I meet a guy regularly who owns a very Large Rhodesian Ridgeback and 3 Douge de Bordeaux not RB's, unless you knew what you were looking at you'd think he had 4 of them

Even still I get asked while out walking my rottie what breed is he the reason being is because I did not have him docked when I picked him from his litter so he still has his waggy tail! Then after I tell them he's a Rottweiler they usually look again at him then say he's very friendly for a Rottweiler :rolleyes: meanwhile they are cleaning the slobber from him licking the hands off them

zenno

garkane wrote: »

Even still I get asked while out walking my rottie what breed is he the reason being is because I did not have him docked when I picked him from his litter so he still has his waggy tail! Then after I tell them he's a Rottweiler they usually look again at him then say he's very friendly for a Rottweiler :rolleyes: meanwhile they are cleaning the slobber from him licking the hands off them

love them rottweilers beautiful dogs. most people that would be afraid of all these breeds are just uneducated in the field of these breeds i.e staff bull terriers and any dog that looks powerful and strong.

for example I went into an industrial estate and had to see the manager of a place and a large doberman pincher gaurd dog ran towards me as if i came on his territory (which i did) and he looked damn angry so i went into my hunkers and allowed him to do his thing and he calmed down straight away and started licking me with druel all over the place. if people only spent the time to learn about these kinds of breed they would have more respect for them.

tatabubbly

It's all to do with the owner.

In my eyes, there should be no restricted breeds, rather an overhaul of the current dog licencing system.

I myself own a JRT who in donegal finds it very hard to get people to allow my dog to socialise with theres, hence, she can be a little nervous, and then yappy at other dogs. I know she needs to be socialised more but any time i ask people on beach/park/walks, they seem reserved, thinking she'll bite the head off their dogs! She has been to a fab trainer who says just a little more patience from other dog owners in the socialisation and Rebel will be flyin!


On the other hand, in a room full of dogs at a dog show today she was brilliant, not a sound out of her and so friendly to other dogs, go figure!

piperh

tatabubbly wrote: »

It's all to do with the owner.

In my eyes, there should be no restricted breeds, rather an overhaul of the current dog licencing system.

I myself own a JRT who in donegal finds it very hard to get people to allow my dog to socialise with theres, hence, she can be a little nervous, and then yappy at other dogs. I know she needs to be socialised more but any time i ask people on beach/park/walks, they seem reserved, thinking she'll bite the head off their dogs! She has been to a fab trainer who says just a little more patience from other dog owners in the socialisation and Rebel will be flyin!


On the other hand, in a room full of dogs at a dog show today she was brilliant, not a sound out of her and so friendly to other dogs, go figure!

I agree there needs to be a big overhaul.

Its a shame some people are blinkered to socialisation i love nothing more than seeing my two making new friends although clyde does get a bit vocal and its been known to worry a few owners until they've looked at his big waggly back end getting all excited

joolsveer

I have a rescue dog since last September. She was described as a Labrador cross but many people say she is a staffie. She is very affectionate at home and has never attacked any person or dog. What should I do, muzzle her because of what members of the public say?

pokertalk

planetX wrote: »

. Maybe you should have to pass some kind of ownership and training test before being allowed to own any dog.

totally agree with this.

pokertalk

joolsveer wrote: »

I have a rescue dog since last September. She was described as a Labrador cross but many people say she is a staffie. She is very affectionate at home and has never attacked any person or dog. What should I do, muzzle her because of what members of the public say?

well it is the law

Shanao

joolsveer wrote: »

I have a rescue dog since last September. She was described as a Labrador cross but many people say she is a staffie. She is very affectionate at home and has never attacked any person or dog. What should I do, muzzle her because of what members of the public say?

Any chance you could put up a pic of her? There's a few posters here who know their bullbreeds fairly well so will be able to tell you if there's staff in there or not. Not everyone knows dog breeds as well as they might think they do; a friend of mine recently had a visit from the dog warden about her 'pitbull' who is actually a white boxer. Even the people who are supposed to know dont seem to.

pokertalk

every dog owner of every breed wether it be cross or of pure breed should own a cert stating that their dog is %100 socialized
%100 trained in re- call
%100 basic command training
if your dog does not have this cert then by law should be on a harness and lead whilst muzzled at all times in public

anyone agree??
this would be great for all responsible rb owners and well socilized dogs

EGAR

100%..? We are talking about animals, not machines.

are you serious

100% is impossible

example my 2 year old son knows 100% not to throw his messy chocolate biscuit on the clean sofa but he will still do it some of the time even when told not to.. my dog also knows 100% he should come back when I call him but he wont always come back immediately... :rolleyes:

Shanao

pokertalk wrote: »

every dog owner of every breed wether it be cross or of pure breed should own a cert stating that their dog is %100 socialized
%100 trained in re- call
%100 basic command training
if your dog does not have this cert then by law should be on a harness and lead whilst muzzled at all times in public

anyone agree??
this would be great for all responsible rb owners and well socilized dogs

Well that recall one would instantly disqualify most spitz-type owners then as you can never guarantee that they will always come back. We would be better with everyone being required to go to training classes (you need them for driving a car after all!!) with their dog and have proof that they have gone. But either way, its the irresponsible people who are just going to ignore it anyway, as they do right now.

pokertalk

ok not 100 but must pass all tests and show sufficent evidence that the dog is properly trained to a certain standard

pokertalk

Shanao wrote: »

Well that recall one would instantly disqualify most spitz-type owners then as you can never guarantee that they will always come back. We would be better with everyone being required to go to training classes (you need them for driving a car after all!!) with their dog and have proof that they have gone. But either way, its the irresponsible people who are just going to ignore it anyway, as they do right now.

large fines are needed then

are you serious

Large fines would be great in theory but as has previously been stated, if the dog wardens dont know what dog they are looking at how will they prove and therefore be able to issue any sort of fine to anybody.Prime example today I for

Prime example for the second time in about 2months I got asked today what type of dog was my rottie.. Both times same person he just doesnt know his dogs at all... Even though he was walking his own dog, nice fella just needs more educating!

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garkane wrote: »

Large fines would be great in theory but as has previously been stated, if the dog wardens dont know what dog they are looking at how will they prove and therefore be able to issue any sort of fine to anybody.Prime example today I for

Prime example for the second time in about 2months I got asked today what type of dog was my rottie.. Both times same person he just doesnt know his dogs at all... Even though he was walking his own dog, nice fella just needs more educating!

yes but a warden knows a dog from a hamster:) i said all breeds as in every dog should hold this cert not just rb s

EGAR

My local dogwarden (retired now) sent out a litter of *Pit Bulls* to me. What arrived was a litter of black and tan GSD. A pound sent me a Pit Bull puppy, what arrived was a tiny 2-3 yro Whippet Lurcher, another pound sent me a Boxer, what arrived was a Mastiff. The list is endless...

And one DW told me that one of my dogs had a heart problem because his tongue was blue. When I pointed out that the dog was a Chow Chow cross he said and I quote: *A what, love?*.

pokertalk

the whole idea if my ehhh idea is that each dog will be assesed as an individual

are you serious

pokertalk wrote: »

the whole idea if my ehhh idea is that each dog will be assesed as an individual

I honestly think everyone who has ever commented on any of these post not only this one would whole heartedly agree with your "ehh idea" , but in reality is there much that we could do? *sigh*