TB testing

Dozer1

Thanks Jed, i don't see that form on the dept site but I'll get one from the DVO anyway.

now the question is LM or CH.......

Jed_Bartlet

Dozer1 wrote: »

Thanks Jed, i don't see that form on the dept site but I'll get one from the DVO anyway.

now the question is LM or CH.......

They're not in the website, it's just a computer generated form that the Dept. create. If you ring them and ask to speak to a VI and tell them what you want, they should just print it and post it out.

bob charles

Jed_Bartlet wrote: »

Dozer1, your local DVO can issue you with an ER37A permit permitting you to buy in a replacement stock bull or a replacement suckler calf. It won't affect any further reactors or payments and if the replacement bull goes down, the department will pay out on it.

Buying in heifers, cows or bullocks does affect disease grant payments but so long as you ring the DVO (you shouldn't even have to sign anything, an ER37A permit only has to be signed by a Veterinary Inspector) and tell them what you want, you should be fine.

sorry for providing info as in my case I usually buying cows, bollocks heifers etc

2smiggy

sorry for the zombie thread !!

Will be feeding animals their ration later, and just to have a look myself before reading of test, is it the bottom lump is the indicator of a reactor ?

whelan2

Top lump bird tb, bottom lump trouble . Tbh dont bother looking you'll only annoy yourself

893bet

Got a Dept notification that a Neighbour is gone down with TB. He only has a small suckler herd but son has been buying calves so maybe that’s the source.

We only share approx 400 metres boundary in a single field. What’s the chances that they would put me on a 4 monthly test cycle?

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743472#Comment_121743472

we have about the same boundary with a cattle dealer, whos actual farm is 25 miles away, yet when he goes down , we have to put up with the extra testing

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743418#Comment_121743418

thank you. I would not bother looking, but my father will be out with the flash light having a good look. what ever keeps him happy !!

Danny healy ray

tb lumps = up for heaven down for hell

mr.stonewall

I had one go down in the factory a few weeks back. Testing in 2 months followed by another test 60 days later. Neighbours got letters just notifying them, but no requirement to test as of yet. Probably will be dependent on how I go with the test and further cattle killout. Closed herd only for calves bought in the spring from a single farm.

davidk1394

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121743472#Comment_121743472

I'm after being put into a contingency tb testing programme. I have to test before 1st of March. It's an absolute joke of a system and puts a lot of extra stress on livestock farmers. Especially this time of year

grass10

Buying calves or young cattle in does not seem to increase your risk of tb Buying in cows seems to be far higher risk of tb. I've a couple of neighbours with basically closed dairy herds who are basically buying nothing in and are showing up with tb on a regular basis other neighbours around never have tb the same badgers are on all the land around for some reason if it gets into a herd it seems to be difficult to get out of it

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744253#Comment_121744253

My own opinion is that stress and overstocking are resulting in cows with weaker immune systems making them more susceptible to TB.

Rusheseverywhere

TB is very difficult to get rid of and why when gets into a farm or an area stays there for years. Seen lads with who have one cow to 5 acres and minded like pets that were decimated with TB so stress and overstocking not the main issue imo

https://tbhub.co.uk/preventing-tb-breakdowns/biosecurity/tb-in-the-environment/

"An interesting and potentially significant factor in the successful persistence of mycobacteria in the environment, is their potential to survive and replicate within amoeba and other single celled organisms that live in the soil, in water and in the surface water film on grass."

Butcher Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744541#Comment_121744541

Neighbour today had 7 suckler cows go down out of 8.he run them on 70 acres of middling ground. Tested them 4 months ago by the same vet and they were as clear as a whistle. We are in a black spot down here in West cork. 1500 milking cows gone out of the drinagh area alone.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746519#Comment_121746519

What’s is causing it do you think?

Butcher Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746571#Comment_121746571

I don't know but what I do know is this man is 70 years of age and the few cows kept him going. He sat at the top of my table this evening and said that was him finished with farming now.not alone are they culling the cattle but they are culling the farmers as well.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746615#Comment_121746615

Very disappointing when you lose so many from a small herd,

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121744541#Comment_121744541

100% agree most of the dairy cows going down in my area are under severe stress not getting enough to eat and trying to produce milk at the same time also slurry being put on the grazing platform and the cows eating this grass/sluuy mix 2/3 weeks later all summer long which cannot be good for animal health

I have great pity for anyone going down with tb and in many cases the farmer has done nothing wrong it's just a mess that could be solved in a matter of months if the dept wanted to

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746615#Comment_121746615

If and when the history of the demise of farming smallholdings is ever written, tb will feature strongly . It is simply impossible to understand . I know of a man who’s herd was restricted for the first time in late 2023 ( first time since testing started in the late 1950s )when a STORE animal he sold at a mart was killed shortly afterwards with lesions . He buys in from one herd only and that has been the case for the last thirty years.Has had three clear tests and still cannot sell .

orm0nd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746571#Comment_121746571

the department's latest scapegoat is they're blaming zero grazers, badger poo and urine mixed in the forage, had a dept guy in the yard a couple of weeks ago and he started this sh1te,

told him i have dealing with tb since the 1960s and if the dept had been efficient in their work tb would have been eradicated long before zero grazers were invented. conversation took a quick turn.

deer and badgers certainly responsible in cases and many believe the skin test is not totally accurate

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746989#Comment_121746989

I was going to make the point about the zero grazer but this problem is around long before them, but a neighbour of mine went down during the spring, his cows were clear in the autumn but he was zero grazing an outside block and he is blaming it on the zero grazer as there is a lot of deers where he was zero grazing

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747098#Comment_121747098

If the farmer didn’t use the zero grazer and made bales instead would it reduce the risk?

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121747659#Comment_121747659

I really don’t know but my friend was doing a lot of zero grazing and he had a lot of abortions so eventually after a long time it was discovered that the cows were aborting from **** in the grass that was coming in the zero grazer so that had to stop zero grazing that area

Seadin

Would you buy bales off a farmer whos herd were wiped out with TB shortly after the bales were made?

sonnybill

Have a single bull weanling to sell is it tested within a year or last 6 months ? I know cows are different

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121843190#Comment_121843190

12 month test for young cattle

TinyMuffin

Passed a dead badger on the side of the road about a mile away last week. Passed another one dead today. I don’t know if there been shot or hit by cars. Often heard that they are sick and get hit by cars. I’ve to test again at the end of the month cause lots around me are down. Every 4 months until the department say otherwise. We could get a Covid vaccine in couple of years. And there is a tb vaccine. But no desire to use it.

Seadin

I sent animals to factory. One of them came back with a suspected tb lesion. Today they confirmed it was TB. All my last herd of cattle are gone and slaughtered. I have new ones in from another owner after all the previous animals were slaughtered. Now I have to do two TB consecutive tests on these new animals and the first can't be done until 60 days after the suspected animal was detected. Did a TB test in December due to a neighbour going down and no findings all clear. Now I have to do two consecutive TB tests on a completely different herd of animals which makes no bloody sense at all. The new animals came in a day after the last animal was slaughtered. Jobs for the boys it seems. It be different if I had cattle from the previous year still with me or I had stores but I had nothing. Makes my blood boil.

orm0nd

Got locked up last October. Clear tests in December and February Both of which I have to pay for.

Have very heavy cull cows and a couple of bullocks ready for factory but afraid to sell in case of any showing leasions. Have yearlings to sell usually a couple of repeat customers buy mid March and I don't want to lose these men otherwise I would have took them to the mart.

Need replacement dairy stock but most offered for sale are more than 6 months tested, more hassle and risk if I buy them.

Some f##k up of a system.