Garda Stabbed in Cork City

pingu2008

A man has been arrested after he stabbed a garda, hijacked his jeep and went on the rampage in Cork city.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0522/cork.html

North Face

Well done to all the Airport Police and Gardai in Cork involved in safely bringing an end to this chaps crazy rampage! This is real life not GTA!

I wish a speedy recovery to all those injured.

I've just watched the video on RTÉ and my heart was in my mouth! That cúnt drove at the Gardaí who's car appeared to be disabled several times while they ran for their lives! I hope this person never sees the light of day again. Attacking a Garda and an Airport Police Officer with a knife, several attempts at murder, ramming the disabled car and then driving at an aircraft. Sickening.

misterdarkness

Well at least they got him. will be interesting to findout more about this toerag. Will he plead insanity?? should be done for attempted murder, assault causing harm, criminal damage times whatever, stealing 2 vehicles endagering aircraft and public order. Enough to put him away for very very long time

rallye150flyer

well done to the lads and ladies who finally stopped him and i hope all injured personnel make a speedy recovery. its sick the scum that is out there

timmywex

Sounds like someone getting very mixed up with GTA. Well done to al gardai involved.

For anyone thats interested theres a video on that rte news article and shows very well the role of the ASU when he eventually stopped!

caseyann

In the video can anyone tell me what is the black car that comes in with the other cars?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0522/cork.html

North Face

Its a Garda unmarked car I believe.

Below are images from RTE of a Airport Police Skoda response car which rammed the criminal on entering the airport.

Today was a test of bravery of members of both Police Services. well done again to all involved!



Members of the Gardai and Cork Airport Police after the incident surveying the damage.

caseyann

North Face wrote: »

Its a Garda unmarked car I believe.

Below are images from RTE of a Airport Police Skoda response car which rammed the criminal on entering the airport.

Today was a test of bravery of members of both Police Services. well done again to all involved!



Members of the Gardai and Cork Airport Police after the incident surveying the damage.

Really it looked like a
or one of these

Or something like that.I have never seen a black unmarked Garda car.
I drives in at the 1:43 mark have a look.

sdanseo

And that Skoda was only new and all.

Seriously though, hope the lads injured make a swift recovery. This did however show up serious security flaws - that fence should be able to stop a car. If there had been an aircraft/car collision there could have been a huge number of casualties. Another notch on the pro-arming the Gardaí post too.

Are there stairs in Togher Garda station? Was just thinking how terrible it would be if your man fell down them.

goldie fish

sdonn wrote: »

And that Skoda was only new and all.

Seriously though, hope the lads injured make a swift recovery. This did however show up serious security flaws - that fence should be able to stop a car. If there had been an aircraft/car collision there could have been a huge number of casualties. Another notch on the pro-arming the Gardaí post too.

Are there stairs in Togher Garda station? Was just thinking how terrible it would be if your man fell down them.

No.
Cells in togher are at the same level as the public office.

I'm willing to suggest however that given the suspect was arrested in his underwear, much of his detention will be done in the care of medical staff, rather than gardai.

We can be thankful that there was no repeat of the incident last week with the beheading.

cocoshovel

Does it look like the rest of the Garda cars (about 10 or so) are holding back a good distance while the other 3 chase him? Maybe it was safer?
Also I laughed at the fire truck getting involved. Imagine getting a slap off that thing

pingu2008

Heres another vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSdrERR_pi8

CB19Kevo

Hopefully the garda and airport officers make a quick recovery.
It's hard to plan for such random acts and i do believe there should be more armed response units in Cork and countrywide.
If this particular criminal has Issues or not i dont believe he should be released and should remain in either prison or hospital for good.

bravestar

Excellent take down by the RSU

Manic Moran

bravestar wrote: »

Excellent take down by the RSU

After seven minutes of driving around in circles, and because he came to a stop of no apparent fault of the authorities.

NTM

Hogzy

Once again the RSU save the day.

Are there people still arguing that they are not needed? lol

roundymac

Armco barrier will have to be installed now. The barrier fencing is not up to the job.

goldie fish

roundymac wrote: »

Armco barrier will have to be installed now. The barrier fencing is not up to the job.

It wouldnt have made a difference. He crashed one vehicle into the fence, and ran onto the ramp to the fire station, where he took the Fire service jeep.

kub

Manic Moran wrote: »

After seven minutes of driving around in circles, and because he came to a stop of no apparent fault of the authorities.

NTM

I would not be too sure about that, witnesses describe hearing shots before he stopped the 4 x 4. If you look at the video and especially at approx 0:43, you will notice him looping around a silver branch car, then he straightens up and heads for the cargo train.
My impression is one of the lads in that branch car took out his front tyre. Then in fairness to the RSU lads they took over once he stopped.

Local-womanizer

He got some kick after he was taken down with the taser!

goldie fish

He's in the district court at 10.30.

Sempai

Manic Moran wrote: »

After seven minutes of driving around in circles, and because he came to a stop of no apparent fault of the authorities.

NTM

I heard that the plane was full of ould ones heading to Lourdes so was it an act of faith that caused the car to stop?

BrianD

I'm gobsmacked. A major breach at an airport and neither the Gardai or the Airport Police were able to stop this guy who ran circles around them for almost 10 minutes. It was only good fortune and not the good guys who stopped this guy before he could have collided with a parked airliner.

I don't doubt the resolve of all personnel involved and that they were in harms way but there is a serious deficiency in training and ability to stop this guy.

This is no "take down" to be proud of. The "take down" happened after the fact. The RSU did not save the day whatsoever. There needs to be a serious review and investigation on how both the Garda and the Airport Police were unable to stop this guy as he made his way from the city centre to the apron of a major international airport.

This could have been an episode of Keystone Cops. It would be funny only that it is too serious.

BrianD

Sempai wrote: »

I heard that the plane was full of ould ones heading to Lourdes so was it an act of faith that caused the car to stop?

Must have been because it wasn't the pursuers who did.

Zambia

No further injuries and bad guy caught. I see no problem.

BrianD

Zambia wrote: »

No further injuries and bad guy caught. I see no problem.

There's a big problem here. It was by luck and no the police force that we pay to equip and train that stopped this guy.

You can speculate as to what might have happened had he not been stopped but there could have been a very serious incident here.

source

BrianD wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked. A major breach at an airport and neither the Gardai or the Airport Police were able to stop this guy who ran circles around them for almost 10 minutes. It was only good fortune and not the good guys who stopped this guy before he could have collided with a parked airliner.

I don't doubt the resolve of all personnel involved and that they were in harms way but there is a serious deficiency in training and ability to stop this guy.

This is no "take down" to be proud of. The "take down" happened after the fact. The RSU did not save the day whatsoever. There needs to be a serious review and investigation on how both the Garda and the Airport Police were unable to stop this guy as he made his way from the city centre to the apron of a major international airport.

This could have been an episode of Keystone Cops. It would be funny only that it is too serious.

Well what do you suggest? Ramming an almost 3tonne jeep with a 1.4tonne car???? All that would do is destroy the car and injure it's occupants.

Do you have any suggestions that would be viable, or are you just once again Garda bashing as you seem to do on any thread you post in involving AGS.

The members involved in this pursuit, acted within guidelines and procedures, and the pursuit was brought to a successful conclusion. This isn't Bad Boys, or Die Hard, it's real life.

roundymac

goldie fish wrote: »

It wouldnt have made a difference. He crashed one vehicle into the fence, and ran onto the ramp to the fire station, where he took the Fire service jeep.

Òf coarse it would, armco barrier would stop a 40ton artic, it would make mincemeat of a SUV, I should know I used install the stuff. The Aer Lingus plane was just getting ready to board, it was going to Amsterdam, The Thomas Cook flight was for Lourdes, that had landed at 3.05 so in all probability it was loaded or about to load.

Turner

BrianD What would you have done in this situation lets say you were

1. In the unmarked Garda Car armed with a Sig/Revolver/Uzi

2. In the RSU armed car.

Be realistic now and we can analyse your actions.







In Court this morning.

Edmond Stapleton, of no fixed address but originally from Dublin Hill in Cork city, was charged at Togher Garda Station last night.
He also faces charges of threatening to harm Cork Airport employees John McCarthy and Michael Delaney while armed with a knife and taking their Toyota Land Cruiser.
Garda John McSweeney gave evidence of arresting and charging Mr Stapleton.
He told Cork District Court this morning that Mr Stapleton replied 'I understand completely' and 'I understand exactly what you are saying' when the charges were read to him.
Judge David Riordan remanded Mr Stapleton in custody for a week on the application of Garda Inspector Michael Maguire.
Solicitor Frank Buttimer told the court his client was not applying for bail and was consenting to the application.
Mr Stapleton was granted legal aid after Mr Buttimer told the court that he was unemployed, had no income and no property or assets.
Mr Stapleton confirmed this and complained during the hearing that he could not hear what was being said.
Garda McSweeney also told the court that he arrested Mr Stapleton this morning on foot of an arrest warrant.
The warrant was issued after he failed to turn up in court to face charges of possession and possession for sale or supply of cannabis and cocaine.
These offences are alleged to have occurred in Co Kildare in 2009.

Manic Moran

Ramming an almost 3tonne jeep with a 1.4tonne car???? All that would do is destroy the car and injure it's occupants.

Due to both the affinity of Americans for large vehicles, and their apparently complete inability to drive, I routinely witness the results of impacts of such disparity. I am forced to conclude that the impact of a 1.4 ton car on such locations as the 60lb wheel attached to the 80lb axle are quite capable of disabling the larger vehicle, as evidenced by the wheel failure of Obama's 7-ton limo yesterday.

The way the chase ended strongly seems to imply that the impact of 1.4 ton car with 3-ton jeep did, indeed, cause sufficient damage to the vehicle to result in a stop, assuming that the report that he stopped because the vehicle was disabled was correct, and not because he just got bored.

I acknowledge the report of shots fired, but I just can't see it in the video, and would have thought it would have been officially stated by now.

NTM

caseyann

Chief--- wrote: »

BrianD What would you have done in this situation lets say you were

1. In the unmarked Garda Car armed with a Sig/Revolver/Uzi

2. In the RSU armed car.

Be realistic now and we can analyse your actions.







In Court this morning.

Edmond Stapleton, of no fixed address but originally from Dublin Hill in Cork city, was charged at Togher Garda Station last night.
He also faces charges of threatening to harm Cork Airport employees John McCarthy and Michael Delaney while armed with a knife and taking their Toyota Land Cruiser.
Garda John McSweeney gave evidence of arresting and charging Mr Stapleton.
He told Cork District Court this morning that Mr Stapleton replied 'I understand completely' and 'I understand exactly what you are saying' when the charges were read to him.
Judge David Riordan remanded Mr Stapleton in custody for a week on the application of Garda Inspector Michael Maguire.
Solicitor Frank Buttimer told the court his client was not applying for bail and was consenting to the application.
Mr Stapleton was granted legal aid after Mr Buttimer told the court that he was unemployed, had no income and no property or assets.
Mr Stapleton confirmed this and complained during the hearing that he could not hear what was being said.
Garda McSweeney also told the court that he arrested Mr Stapleton this morning on foot of an arrest warrant.
The warrant was issued after he failed to turn up in court to face charges of possession and possession for sale or supply of cannabis and cocaine.
These offences are alleged to have occurred in Co Kildare in 2009.

Was he high as a kite on something or mentally ill?

mcgarrett

Quote:
Originally Posted by bravestar
Excellent take down by the RSU

Manic Moran wrote: »

After seven minutes of driving around in circles, and because he came to a stop of no apparent fault of the authorities.

NTM

I take it you don't agree with bravestars post.

A semi naked deranged male emerges from a vehicle and runs at you with a knife, you deploy the taser knowing that if you miss with one probe it will be ineffective and you will have left yourself open to a knife attack.

From the Garda debusing to the hit with the taser is 2 seconds.

Fu*king right it was an excellent take down.

Goonerdee

Hope the officer gets well soon.

Manic Moran

mcgarrett wrote: »

A semi naked deranged male emerges from a vehicle and runs at you with a knife, you deploy the taser knowing that if you miss with one probe it will be ineffective and you will have left yourself open to a knife attack.

From the Garda debusing to the hit with the taser is 2 seconds.

Fu*king right it was an excellent take down.

To the extent that you cover, yes, you are correct. I have nothing poor to say about the manner in which the driver was subdued once his vehicle stopped and he was on foot.

My concern is more to the fact that the police/Gardai appeared somewhat ineffective at getting him to the point that he could be subdued in the first place. In this case, it helped that he co-operated by deciding to get out of the jeep.

Frankly, I think that a semi-naked deranged male behind the wheel of a vehicle in open space is more dangerous to most than a semi-naked deranged male running around with a knife.

NTM

I am very fond of AGS in general, but I do have to admit, that they did seem pretty useless here.

Not sure what the story was with the fire truck either. Looked like they were they trying to ram him with it? Surely that'd be a case of murder then? I can't predict many people walking away from a wallop of one of those trucks.

Probably should've had the hose on though. Would perhaps the water be strong enough to smash the glass inwards in the car onto the driver? Would obviously cause a lot of pain/cutting, but would no doubt shock him enough that he'd be dazed/confused enough for AGS and the Police to get the upper hand?

The_Snapper

mcgarrett wrote: »

A semi naked deranged male emerges from a vehicle and runs at you with a knife,

You shoot him with a proper gun.

mcgarrett wrote: »

you deploy the taser knowing that if you miss with one probe it will be ineffective and you will have left yourself open to a knife attack.

You won't have that worry if you use a proper gun.

Hooch

Deleted User wrote: »

I am very fond of AGS in general, but I do have to admit, that they did seem pretty useless here.

Not sure what the story was with the fire truck either. Looked like they were they trying to ram him with it? Surely that'd be a case of murder then? I can't predict many people walking away from a wallop of one of those trucks.

Probably should've had the hose on though. Would perhaps the water be strong enough to smash the glass inwards in the car onto the driver? Would obviously cause a lot of pain/cutting, but would no doubt shock him enough that he'd be dazed/confused enough for AGS and the Police to get the upper hand?

In your first paragraph you state they were useless and in your second you say it would be murder to ram them with the fire tender???

Firstly operational requirements for certain units would have to be observed...which we will not discuss. Secondly....the male assaulted a member of AGS....seriously......and was driving a deadly weapon....nearly hitting several staff and members and ramming several cars......lethal force was justified instantly. Lethal force in this case...whether by the ramming of the fire tender or by an armed Garda....would have been justifiable....not murder. Anyone who says its not is clearly mad.

Fire hose......are you for real?? Seriously???

Hooch

Manic Moran wrote: »

My concern is more to the fact that the police/Gardai appeared somewhat ineffective at getting him to the point that he could be subdued in the first place. In this case, it helped that he co-operated by deciding to get out of the jeep.

What would you like unarmed, uniform members of AGS to do??


Mod note:

Posters beware.....you were not there.....you do not know full facts of the incident.....and its not wise to speculate about an open, sub judice case.

goldie fish

They could have given him a wash with the Airport Fire Tender. It can put down quite a volume of water.....

goldie fish

roundymac wrote: »

Òf coarse it would, armco barrier would stop a 40ton artic, it would make mincemeat of a SUV, I should know I used install the stuff. The Aer Lingus plane was just getting ready to board, it was going to Amsterdam, The Thomas Cook flight was for Lourdes, that had landed at 3.05 so in all probability it was loaded or about to load.

I see you didn't read what I said.... The Airport Police was INSIDE the perimeter....What could would your personally installed armco do?

NGA

NGA wrote: »

In your first paragraph you state they were useless and in your second you say it would be murder to ram them with the fire tender???

Firstly operational requirements for certain units would have to be observed...which we will not discuss. Secondly....the male assaulted a member of AGS....seriously......and was driving a deadly weapon....nearly hitting several staff and members and ramming several cars......lethal force was justified instantly. Lethal force in this case...whether by the ramming of the fire tender or by an armed Garda....would have been justifiable....not murder. Anyone who says its not is clearly mad.

Fire hose......are you for real?? Seriously???

So justifiable makes it OK?*

Here's the thing, I'm forever reading on here about how AGS should be gentle in their approach. Anytime I post here condoning a good hammering for criminal/scumbags, I get shot down left right and centre.

Personally, I'd have been delighted to see the Fire Tender do some monster truck work and make ****e of the car, but had it actually happened I certainly wouldn't have condoned it (and if I were a Garda overlooking what was happening, I certainly wouldn't have ordered it out to smash into the car, either). I'd find such an approach to be absolutely shocking, to be honest.

Water hoses are effective in riots. They make people run for it. I'm sure a tender that is designed to battle aviation fires would have serious water pressure capabilities and would be able to smash windows on the car, or ultimately disable it (perhaps if aimed at the wheels). Seems a much safer route to go to me.

If the RSU were at the scene, whilst I'm aware that it wasn't Will Smith and Bruce Willis driving the car, surely they could have laced numerous bullets into the car to bring it to a standstill (surely a bullet to the bonnet, or general front of the vehicle, would deploy an airbag?).

From looking at the videos, it seems like our very own Niko Bellic got fed up and stopped, then got out of the car. Can't see if he tried to make another run for it or just surrendered himself, but if I'm completely honest, i really don't think this is an effort AGS should be proud of.


*Just incase it isn't obvious, this line is sarcasm

Hooch

Deleted User wrote: »

So justifiable makes it OK?

Here's the thing, I'm forever reading on here about how AGS should be gentle in their approach. Anytime I post here condoning a good hammering for criminal/scumbags, I get shot down left right and centre.

Personally, I'd have been delighted to see the Fire Tender do some monster truck work and make ****e of the car, but had it actually happened I certainly wouldn't have condoned it (and if I were a Garda overlooking what was happening, I certainly wouldn't have ordered it out to smash into the car, either). I'd find such an approach to be absolutely shocking, to be honest.

Water hoses are effective in riots. They make people run for it. I'm sure a tender that is designed to battle aviation fires would have serious water pressure capabilities and would be able to smash windows on the car, or ultimately disable it (perhaps if aimed at the wheels). Seems a much safer route to go to me.

If the RSU were at the scene, whilst I'm aware that it wasn't Will Smith and Bruce Willis driving the car, surely they could have laced numerous bullets into the car to bring it to a standstill (surely a bullet to the bonnet, or general front of the vehicle, would deploy an airbag?).

From looking at the videos, it seems like our very own Niko Bellic got fed up and stopped, then got out of the car. Can't see if he tried to make another run for it or just surrendered himself, but if I'm completely honest, i really don't think this is an effort AGS should be proud of.

Yes thats exactly it....justifiable means its ok....seriously ok.

You have been shot down in the past as you have not been justified. Each response must be measured....here the measure was the fact he WAS going to kill someone and as such Lethal force would be justifiable

Water cannons are effective in riots against people.......the chances of the tender being able to drive, aim, take account of the wind, hit the windscreen....somehow crack the LAMINATED glass are very slim. Also it would have disrupted the other vehicles on the airfield. Aim at the wheel???

RSU arrived just before the vehicle stopped......they CANNOT just shoot blindly at a moving vehicle with such a crowd around. A bullet to the front of a vehicle would NOT deploy the airbags as certain parameters are needed for this. A bullet to the engine block would/could most certainly deflect in another direction. Lacing numerous bullets isnt something any police service do.

The driver stopped as there was severe damage to the vehicle and it forced him to stop.....and he made a run for the plane....clear to be seen on some videos.

arybvtcw0eolkf

pingu2008 wrote: »

Heres another vid

View it while playing this one in the background...

Well done to the members of AGS who stopped & dropped the lunatic.

Manic Moran

I'm sure a tender that is designed to battle aviation fires would have serious water pressure capabilities and would be able to smash windows on the car, or ultimately disable it (perhaps if aimed at the wheels). Seems a much safer route to go to me.

I'll lay bets that they are equipped with foam for dealing with aviation fuel fires, not water for standard hazards. It wouldn't be of more than a distraction, and, frankly, the stuff would probably be best kept for an actual fire.

What would you like unarmed, uniform members of AGS to do??

Assuming that they had no suitable vehicle immobilisation devices (eg stingers might be optomistic unless very well employed), they seemed to have a goodly number of other cars sitting off the end which could be effectively used as weapons. Yes, it was bigger than a patrol car, no I don't accept that it could not have been disabled.
To wit:

The driver stopped as there was severe damage to the vehicle and it forced him to stop.....

This is evidence that a patrol car did have enough mass to properly disable the offending vehicle.

A plan which consists of letting the other guy drive at will until he screws up or decides to stop is unacceptable.

NTM

Hooch

Manic Moran wrote: »

This is evidence that a patrol car did have enough mass to properly disable the offending vehicle.

A plan which consists of letting the other guy drive at will until he screws up or decides to stop is unacceptable.

A patrol car didnt ram him......he rammed a stationary Garda jeep (same model as his) just before he stopped......so......evidence of nothing.

Letting him drive around a large runway until he screws up is perfectly logical to me.......10 cars following him and nobody watching the exits.....wonder what you would have said if all the cars went in....he escaped out again and went on the rampage in the city???

roundymac

goldie fish wrote: »

I see you didn't read what I said.... The Airport Police was INSIDE the perimeter....What could would your personally installed armco do?

Your the one not reading properly. How can he knock down a fence if amrco barrier is outside it. If he drove into the armco at the speed with which he knocked down the fence I can assure you that he would not have been walking let alone running.

Hogzy

NGA wrote: »

Mod note:

Posters beware.....you were not there.....you do not know full facts of the incident.....and its not wise to speculate about an open, sub judice case.

But it was captured on video by quite a few people. Its all over Youtube. From what I have seen on video i dont think "being there" would make any difference to ones abilities to see what really happened.

Granted what happened before the airport incident is unknown.

Hooch

Hogzy wrote: »

But it was captured on video by quite a few people. Its all over Youtube. From what I have seen on video i dont think "being there" would make any difference to ones abilities to see what really happened.

Granted what happened before the airport incident is unknown.

Several people have mentioned possibility of discharge of firearms at the vehicle.......can this be seen from the videos???

Manic Moran

A patrol car didnt ram him......he rammed a stationary Garda jeep (same model as his) just before he stopped......so......evidence of nothing.

Are you saying that if an Oktavia had impacted the Land Cruiser in the same place as the disabling hit occurred that the Land Cruiser would not have been just as disabled? We have evidence from the video that a certain inertia applied to a certain location on the target vehicle would disable the vehicle. This simply backs up what we see in routine road traffic accidents anyway: Cars, even big ones, tend not to like knocks to the front axle and engine compartment.

Letting him drive around a large runway until he screws up is perfectly logical to me.......10 cars following him and nobody watching the exits.....wonder what you would have said if all the cars went in....he escaped out again and went on the rampage in the city???

He seemed to be getting pretty close to pedestrians on the airport as well, not to mention the hazards of the aircraft. If even half the cars made a directed attempt to disable or box the Land Cruiser, it would, I submit, have come to a stop.

And had he decided to escape out the airport again, since the police seemed reluctant to get their cars' paint scratched, how would they have been able to stop said rampage in the city if all they wanted to do was follow him around until he crashed? Relying on your objective to screw up has a major flaw: It is completely out of your hands and you are effectively a passive observer.

NTM

Zambia

I see where you are coming from Manic but those cars are not kitted out to ram vehicles. I would not be happy with two officers ramming a jeep, occupied by a what I believe to be a mad nuphy with a knife. Chances are the airbags would deploy on the skoda/sedan and they are pinned to the seat while nuphy boy hops out weilding a knife.

In relation to bringing more cars in well then thats not feasible as we could see even the few cars on the tarmac already had issues in avoiding hitting the other ES vehicles. More cars = more obstacles for everyone.

In relation to others comments about bullets disabling cars, this is not the case unless you have something well over small arms. I have seen (video) cars drive after multiple shots have been fired into it granted it was a Volvo. In the end after, 38's , 40's Shotgun rounds and about half a Mag from a UMP 45 still did not stop it. Granted a few 100 metres later it might have but thats not the effect intended. Especially if you have bullets bouncing off the tarmac and members in cars to the left and right.

The taser take down was the way to go, chances are the lethal option was there as well. That's what taser is for. If the taser missed or did not work well then things may have ended badly.

Plus if this guy was looking for suicide by cop well he did not get it.

As I said before no further loss of life, bad guy remanded and facing a long stint. Job done.