Freesat and Saorview in the one receiver - anything out there?

watty

You need mains, Satellite IF and TV aerial wires.

Any TVs with built in PVR are very thin on the ground. Most are pathetic USB stick single tuner affairs.

If you want a decent PVR you need a box. It can even live in attic and feed screen via HDMI, thus reducing number of cables from 2 (Aerial & Sat) to 1 (HDMI).

lawhec

watty wrote: »

You need mains, Satellite IF and TV aerial wires.

Any TVs with built in PVR are very thin on the ground. Most are pathetic USB stick single tuner affairs.

If you want a decent PVR you need a box. It can even live in attic and feed screen via HDMI, thus reducing number of cables from 2 (Aerial & Sat) to 1 (HDMI).

But if you want to change the channel?
Presumably you would need an rf remote extender as I have yet to see one that can travel by HDMI cable.

kuro_man

Pal wrote: »

I know its an old thread but can anyone update me on developments.

Heres what i would dearly like

TV with Freesat/Saorview and a PVR all built in. No boxes or wires.

if you can find one, panasonic g20b (uk model) will do that, needs external usb hard drive

sesswhat

lawhec wrote: »

But if you want to change the channel?
Presumably you would need an rf remote extender as I have yet to see one that can travel by HDMI cable.

Glass ceiling?:)

A system like Samsung's Anynet+ would let you control their Freesat or Freeview HD PVRs with HDMI through a Samsung TV.

watty

You can do remote and HDMI on 3 x CAT5e cables and still have left over pairs.

Easier and cheaper than RGB scart to a separate room.

snaps

watty wrote: »

Motorised isn't much use for PVR, and of course can do 9E and 28E easily if the receiver has support.

I have a separate motorised system for "hobby" Satellite TV use. 42E to 45W

I just recently dumped my motor and got a multi lnb bracket fitted to my 1.1m dish. Best move i've made for a long time. The Mrs can watch her Cyfra+, the young lad either Cyfra or Freesat, I can then go in another room and watch what ever i want from DTT, 13 east, 19 east, 23.5 east or 28.5 east.

Johnboy1951

watty wrote: »

A suitable PC with HDMI, dual tuner or 2x Satellite DVB-S2 cards and a single Dual Tuner USB DTT stick is starting to look attractive. Next release shortly of DVBviewer and MHEG5 plug in should have most or all the initial bugs fixed. Not yet fully Freesat compatible, but shortly will be the most compatible PC Soarview/Freesat solution. XP or Windows7. Linux still has no properly working free MHEG5. Hence the Linux "open" set-boxes don't do it.


Preview (there is link to You Tube video also) http://www.techtir.ie/blog/watty/mheg5-on-xp
and putting the PC where it can't be heard whirring http://www.techtir.ie/howto/hdmi-via-cat5-cable
Full Remote control.

As soon as fully Freesat & Saorview PVR solutions are available they will be here www.saortv.info (in process of revamp to add step by step aerial and dish installs).

I wondered if this was of any use .....

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mheg2xmltv/files/

Any experience of it?

watty

That extracts TV information in XML format from MHEG5 datastream. (Clue in the name ) I tried it. It's NOT an MHEG5 engine to run applications (which is what normal viewers need). It's "tool" and it didn't even do what it's supposed to do properly.

There maybe a free Linux solution that usable by ordinary viewer eventually. Right now the best Windows solutions are either MS Media Center [sic] ONLY in Windows 7 (Windows 8 Media Center will likely be useless for this) or DVBviewer + MHEG5 plug in (not free but not expensive, needs separate codecs included in Win7 but not in XP). I use CoreAVC for MPEG4 codec on XP

kuro_man

mythtv supposedly supports MHEG-5
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MHEG

I will try it out and let you know.

Chuck Stone

I've been following this issue for some time now and it seems as if there are currently two options that get people close to the functionality of a basic Sky sub:

1. Saorsat & Freesat+. One dish with an LNB focussed on 9° and another offset receiving 28.8° feeding a Humax Foxsat. (Sacrificing TV3 & e3).

or

2. A Saorview TV with a Freesat+ box.

Is that about the size of it for the foreseeable future?

Johnboy1951

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I've been following this issue for some time now and it seems as if there are currently two options that get people close to the functionality of a basic Sky sub:

1. Saorsat & Freesat+. One dish with an LNB focussed on 9° and another offset receiving 28.8° feeding a Humax Foxsat. (Sacrificing TV3 & e3).

or

2. A Saorview TV with a Freesat+ box.

Is that about the size of it for the foreseeable future?

3. Any TV, Saorview approved or not, and a combi box for Sat and DTT. There are none presently with Saorview approval, but the channels will be displayed, if not teletext and other services dependant on MHEG5. All channels listed in the one menu.

Johnboy1951

kuro_man wrote: »

mythtv supposedly supports MHEG-5
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MHEG

I will try it out and let you know.

Please let us know the result ....... because as far as I am aware, MythTV is using the package I linked to above.

Chuck Stone

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

3. Any TV, Saorview approved or not, and a combi box for Sat and DTT.

Yes but with the limited now/next 'EPG' for UK channels, the limited recording functionality and the manual retuning of channels a combi falls way short of a Sky sub.

I was thinking of the least hassle solution that's closest to a Sky+ box - a 'fire and forget' solution, if you get me.

Johnboy1951

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yes but with the limited now/next 'EPG' for UK channels, the limited recording functionality and the manual retuning of channels a combi falls way short of a Sky sub.

I was thinking of the least hassle solution that's closest to a Sky+ box - a 'fire and forget' solution, if you get me.

close to the functionality of a basic Sky sub

Is a Sky+ box now a basic Sky sub?

Not that it matters ..... I understood basic to mean no recording ......

I am unsure how your 2. would work out with menus and ease of use.

To each his own

Chuck Stone

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Is a Sky+ box now a basic Sky sub?

I think it is.

I am unsure how your 2. would work out with menus and ease of use.

I think a Humax control will operate a TV so one remote control can be used for all channels and the Freesat+ box self-updates, can record one Freesat channel while watching another afaik.

I haven't used a Freesat+ box so, again, I could be wrong.

To each his own

I have an Ariva 120 which does me grand. I was just wondering what would be best for someone else who'd want the least hassle solution that's close to a Sky sub.

evilivor

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I think a Humax control will operate a TV so one remote control can be used for all channels and the Freesat+ box self-updates, can record one Freesat channel while watching another afaik.

I haven't used a Freesat+ box so, again, I could be wrong.

It does indeed. My Humax Freesat+ remote operates my tv, DVD player and amp, can record and watch at the same time - in fact, depending on the channels, you can record two channels and watch a third at the same time.

kuro_man

kuro_man wrote: »

mythtv supposedly supports MHEG-5
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MHEG

I will try it out and let you know.

It works on BBC anyway
Multi screen didn't work but I may not have channels tuned in

Ken bryan

I have a triax Box the ST-HD537 Combi Receiver you can get both saor view and freesat
I have it for about a year no Issues at all .

You can put an external hd drive and via usb record all the tv you want .


http://www.triax.co.uk/?alPage=&rkPage=&articleId={70E4AAB3-B2F1-4EE8-A0C5-295E0F541F6F}

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galtee boy

Ken bryan wrote: »

Triax have Box 527 that you can get both saor view and freesat with .

I presume you mean free to air satellite, not Freesat, as in, it doesnt have 7 day epg for satellite ?

watty

Ken. it's Free to Air Satellite. Neither 537 or 114 or any other combo is Freesat or Freesat HD.

Also some FTA boxes and combos do have 7 day EPG, but that doesn't make them "Freesat".

My PC does Saorview channels, Freesat channels, MHEG5 interactive and full Guide on both. But it would not possibly pass Saorview or Freesat and get approval, nor is it fully compatible with either (Satellite and Terrestrial require manual scans and esp. on Satellite channel deletions.)

Ken bryan

watty wrote: »

Ken. it's Free to Air Satellite. Neither 537 or 114 or any other combo is Freesat or Freesat HD.

Also some FTA boxes and combos do have 7 day EPG, but that doesn't make them "Freesat".

My PC does Saorview channels, Freesat channels, MHEG5 interactive and full Guide on both. But it would not possibly pass Saorview or Freesat and get approval, nor is it fully compatible with either (Satellite and Terrestrial require manual scans and esp. on Satellite channel deletions.)

Wrong

It is free to air Sat .
I know because I have it .
I have all the saor view and uk Channels like BBC hd . Itv Hd . C4 hd Channel 5
It also has an epg .
Regards

Ken bryan

watty wrote: »

Ken. it's Free to Air Satellite. Neither 537 or 114 or any other combo is Freesat or Freesat HD.

Also some FTA boxes and combos do have 7 day EPG, but that doesn't make them "Freesat".

My PC does Saorview channels, Freesat channels, MHEG5 interactive and full Guide on both. But it would not possibly pass Saorview or Freesat and get approval, nor is it fully compatible with either (Satellite and Terrestrial require manual scans and esp. on Satellite channel deletions.)

galtee boy wrote: »

Ken bryan wrote: »

Triax have Box 527 that you can get both saor view and freesat with .

Ken bryan wrote: »

I presume you mean free to air satellite, not Freesat, as in, it doesnt have 7 day epg for satellite ?

Free sat Is free to air
Bud
Ok

Yes It does have an epg I Use It all the time .

staker

Ken bryan wrote: »

Free sat Is free to air
Bud
Ok

Yes It does have an epg I Use It all the time .

Across all channels?
Might I just add if anyone would know,it'd be Watty:D

Extinction

Freesat is not free to air, freesat has 7 day epg on all channels, free to air has now and next epg at best. Freesat also doesnt loose channels when frequencies change and also has interactive services, far superior to free to air satellite.

Rotating Egg

He's an expert in terrestrial RF propagation too; http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78554926&postcount=18

He possesses the complete certainty of the truly ignorant.

Extinction

Rotating Egg wrote: »

He's an expert in terrestrial RF propagation too; http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78554926&postcount=18

He possesses the complete certainty of the truly ignorant.

Some are always sure their limited knowledge is correct.
A lot of the confusion about freesat seems to be caused by installers using the freesat logos etc to flog cheap free to air boxes. The combi is an ok box but with only 7 day epg on terrestrial its too expensive. I'd prefer a saorview television with a freesat box.

Rotating Egg

I don't think he's representative of the typical punter or even the typical poster in the tv tech forums, but some people read these threads without ever posting on them & you'd like to think the information available is at least kind of sane.

Ken bryan

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evilivor

Ken bryan wrote: »

In reply to those above .
Please read this .;)
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• No monthly payment or contract - Over 300 FREE HD and Digital TV channels plus radio stations
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• PVR Ready - Record, Pause, Rewind Live TV and watch Satellite channels while recording Terrestrial or watch Terrestrial channels while recording Satellite via an external HDD
• Multimedia Player - Playback Movies, Music and Photos via an external HDD
• EPG - Interactive TV listings service
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It's still not a Freesat/Saorview combination box.

PogMoThoin

The TSC 114 isn't a Freesat box. It only does now and next for satellite and doesn't retune channels when they move transponder.

I don't think you fully understand, Freesat is a joint venture between the BBC and ITV offered in the UK only, but the boxes work here as we see the same satellites. It's the UK equivalent of our Saorsat, the satellite service offered to the small percentage who can't receive it from terrestrial. The boxes have 7 day EPG and automatically retune transponders making them better than Free to Air boxes that don't.