Is it morally wrong to buy weed?

Laisurg

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe those "excuses" should be challenged in the courts. However there was a young lady on the radio debate who claimed to be spending 300e per week on cannabis and who claimed to be addicted and feeling paranoid through its use. She said she was hooked and needed help badly. Many still say its not addictive.

300 euro is the street price for an ounce, an ounce of cannabis in a week is an awful lot, i still don't think it would cause any problems as a result of the drug itself, i would say she has another problem and cannabis is her way of dealing with it, cannabis can make depression disappear for a while in some people however it's not a cure, same for paranoia (more people suffer from paranoia that don't smoke cannabis than those that do) it is not a cure for these types of things but it can subdue them for a while.
This could give some people with these problems the idea that cannabis is the cause if they stop smoking it and the problems return, whereas it may just be removing the problem for a short time.
Many people turn to alcohol or drugs during a difficult time, this doesn't get rid of the problem.
Some people can confuse wanting something with an addiction, cannabis is very relaxing and why would someone not want it again? The keyword here is want, if you smoke a large amount of cannabis constantly during a difficult time it may feel like an addiction to some people but it is not really, i would say this person is so used to smoking cannabis that when she does not smoke it she may feel bored, she must have also been smoking it very heavily and for a long time to go up to an ounce a week.
I think if you sat down and talked to this girl that you would find that she has problems that are separate from cannabis.

For instance, i once knew a guy that had serious anger management and paranoia issues and self harmed quite a bit (he had these before he ever touched his first joint) now everyone that knew this bloke knew that he had serious problems and that he wasn't all there.
He started smoking cannabis and these issues seemed less noticable and he also stopped self harming, he was smoking it for quite a while and getting along fine.
One day he stopped and he felt upset and angry again, this clearly wasn't because of the cannabis as he had these problems beforehand, he felt that he had an addiction but really he just wanted the feelings of anger, paranoia and hopelessness to go away.
People with bi polar disorder are also more susceptible to alcohol and drug abuse for this very same reason.
The ordinary person who does not have any underlying problems or depression or anything of that nature will not develop a dependency.

Now this is from my own personal experience but as i've known a LOT of heavy cannabis smokers who were fully functioning members of society in high paid jobs such as buisness management in software companies etc i fully believe what i have stated above.

Tayto have you ever come across anyone that believed they had an addiction to cannabis who were in a good way in their social and working life?

thebigbiffo

Laisurg wrote: »

300 euro is the street price for an ounce, an ounce of cannabis in a week is an awful lot, i still don't think it would cause any problems as a result of the drug itself, i would say she has another problem and cannabis is her way of dealing with it, cannabis can make depression disappear for a while in some people however it's not a cure, same for paranoia (more people suffer from paranoia that don't smoke cannabis than those that do) it is not a cure for these types of things but it can subdue them for a while.
This could give some people with these problems the idea that cannabis is the cause if they stop smoking it and the problems return, whereas it may just be removing the problem for a short time.
Many people turn to alcohol or drugs during a difficult time, this doesn't get rid of the problem.
Some people can confuse wanting something with an addiction, cannabis is very relaxing and why would someone not want it again? The keyword here is want, if you smoke a large amount of cannabis constantly during a difficult time it may feel like an addiction to some people but it is not really, i would say this person is so used to smoking cannabis that when she does not smoke it she may feel bored, she must have also been smoking it very heavily and for a long time to go up to an ounce a week.
I think if you sat down and talked to this girl that you would find that she has problems that are separate from cannabis.

For instance, i once knew a guy that had serious anger management and paranoia issues and self harmed quite a bit (he had these before he ever touched his first joint) now everyone that knew this bloke knew that he had serious problems and that he wasn't all there.
He started smoking cannabis and these issues seemed less noticable and he also stopped self harming, he was smoking it for quite a while and getting along fine.
One day he stopped and he felt upset and angry again, this clearly wasn't because of the cannabis as he had these problems beforehand, he felt that he had an addiction but really he just wanted the feelings of anger, paranoia and hopelessness to go away.
People with bi polar disorder are also more susceptible to alcohol and drug abuse for this very same reason.
The ordinary person who does not have any underlying problems or depression or anything of that nature will not develop a dependency.

Now this is from my own personal experience but as i've known a LOT of heavy cannabis smokers who were fully functioning members of society in high paid jobs such as buisness management in software companies etc i fully believe what i have stated above.

Tayto have you ever come across anyone that believed they had an addiction to cannabis who were in a good way in their social and working life?

i once asked my friend about an aquaintance of ours: is he an alcocholic or is he depressed or what?

his response: whats the difference?

there's always an underlying issue with every addiction.

i knew a girl who was addicted to jelly tots. seriously. she had to have ten packets a day. clearly we dont call for the prohibition of jelly tots. she had problems, simple as.

tayto lover

Laisurg wrote: »

300 euro is the street price for an ounce, an ounce of cannabis in a week is an awful lot, i still don't think it would cause any problems as a result of the drug itself, i would say she has another problem and cannabis is her way of dealing with it, cannabis can make depression disappear for a while in some people however it's not a cure, same for paranoia (more people suffer from paranoia that don't smoke cannabis than those that do) it is not a cure for these types of things but it can subdue them for a while.
This could give some people with these problems the idea that cannabis is the cause if they stop smoking it and the problems return, whereas it may just be removing the problem for a short time.
Many people turn to alcohol or drugs during a difficult time, this doesn't get rid of the problem.
Some people can confuse wanting something with an addiction, cannabis is very relaxing and why would someone not want it again? The keyword here is want, if you smoke a large amount of cannabis constantly during a difficult time it may feel like an addiction to some people but it is not really, i would say this person is so used to smoking cannabis that when she does not smoke it she may feel bored, she must have also been smoking it very heavily and for a long time to go up to an ounce a week.
I think if you sat down and talked to this girl that you would find that she has problems that are separate from cannabis.

For instance, i once knew a guy that had serious anger management and paranoia issues and self harmed quite a bit (he had these before he ever touched his first joint) now everyone that knew this bloke knew that he had serious problems and that he wasn't all there.
He started smoking cannabis and these issues seemed less noticable and he also stopped self harming, he was smoking it for quite a while and getting along fine.
One day he stopped and he felt upset and angry again, this clearly wasn't because of the cannabis as he had these problems beforehand, he felt that he had an addiction but really he just wanted the feelings of anger, paranoia and hopelessness to go away.
People with bi polar disorder are also more susceptible to alcohol and drug abuse for this very same reason.
The ordinary person who does not have any underlying problems or depression or anything of that nature will not develop a dependency.

Now this is from my own personal experience but as i've known a LOT of heavy cannabis smokers who were fully functioning members of society in high paid jobs such as buisness management in software companies etc i fully believe what i have stated above.

Tayto have you ever come across anyone that believed they had an addiction to cannabis who were in a good way in their social and working life?

Not really. I suspect that some of the people i know might use it but they have not disclosed this nor have i asked them. I might do so now. After listening and taking part in a serious debate regarding the clerical sexual abuse and the institutional sex abuse i got to know a few people who took to the drink as a result of abuse. I suppose its not too unrealistic to think that some people would also turn to drugs in cases like that also.

twinQuins

tayto lover wrote: »

Is it now only alcoholics who leave their families destitute ?

Did I say that?

I am not preaching at all, only giving opinions and making points. If you attended a neighbourhood drugs meeting years ago you would realise that my comments are mild.

Oh sure and if you went out on a Saturday night you'd see a lot worse than what I've posted by people off their face on alcohol.

Oh but that's okay because it's legal and the law is the ultimate yardstick to gauge how moral something is, right?

I do not have a dreamworld. These matters are part of the debate on drugs which i, once agai, did not start but am just taking part in.

But you're not taking part in it, you have steadfastly refused to answer simple hypotheticals which would clarify your position.

If you want a one-sided discussion then you are in the wrong place.

So far there hasn't been much of any debate considering your continued evasion and vague answers.

I am also well aware of the trouble legalised drugs cause.

So can I hope to see you drop the line that drugs should remain illegal because they're harmful?
Because obviously you have no problem with the social ills legal drugs cause.

tayto lover

twinQuins wrote: »

Did I say that?

Oh sure and if you went out on a Saturday night you'd see a lot worse than what I've posted by people off their face on alcohol.

Oh but that's okay because it's legal and the law is the ultimate yardstick to gauge how moral something is, right?

But you're not taking part in it, you have steadfastly refused to answer simple hypotheticals which would clarify your position.

So far there hasn't been much of any debate considering your continued evasion and vague answers.

So can I hope to see you drop the line that drugs should remain illegal because they're harmful?
Because obviously you have no problem with the social ills legal drugs cause.

They were all reasonable Q & A's and i didn't lie to you.
I could give you hypotheticals that would have you giving both yes and no answers and as such they are pointless. Real questions are what matter.
With regard to drugs remaining illegal because they are harmful well maybe we have enough harmful stuff already and we might ban more stuff. The legalising or banning of substances will not be done by you or me. I would love the chance to vote on it though as then the decision would at least be democratic and nobody could argue with that then or could they ?

Friendlyface

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNM3ti_mAY

I also have a forum which allows customers to chat about the service. In the forums we do not use any weed related terms....we replace those words with the word "video".

Feel free to check out the forums here:

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mikom

Friendlyface wrote: »

I operate a mail order marijuana service which supplies many people in the UK. To see a Youtube video of how the product is mailed to you watch the following video:

I also have a forum which allows customers to chat about the service. In the forums we do not use any weed related terms....we replace those words with the word "video".

Feel free to check out the forums here:

I snipped out the illegal stuff to save the mods the hassle.
However I will say that this is taxable money leaving the country that our government could be capitalising on.
It's gonna be bought somewhere no matter what, so why not make a few bob to throw into healthcare or law enforcement.
Is it moral to lose money which could be spent on these services?

Hookah

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