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    #32
    parsi
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    psni wrote: »
    Two words: Diplomatic Immunity

    Which of course is invoked after the event so we'd still have the furore.

    However the incident alluded to above was so unlikely to happen andcould therefore be seen as a humorous comment.


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    #33
    BrianD
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    parsi wrote: »
    All you need is for some ambitious Customs officer to stop them and ask how long have they been in the country, have they plane or ferry tickets etc etc..

    Can you imagine the furore if the royal rover was impounded on suspicion of evading VRT ?

    But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle? I presume the Range Rover would have been driven by the Queens's own security detail which would be a UK national?


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    #34
    Terrontress
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    The queen's Range Rover for the Irish visit seems to be of the same fleet used for the royal wedding.

    Obviously security detail should not be seen so it is tough to find a photo of it, this is the best I can do

    trip.jpg


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    #35
    BrianD
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    Can't you get points in the UK if you are a licenced driver with L plates displayed? I'm assuming that William has a licence!


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    #36
    parsi
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    BrianD wrote: »
    But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle? I presume the Range Rover would have been driven by the Queens's own security detail which would be a UK national?

    Oh for God's sake. It was a humorous event.

    If a stupid Customs officer stopped a UK reg car belonging to the fleet of the UK Queen then the embarassing event would not have happened.

    The "diplomatic immunity", the "operational security", the "dodgy gay jumper". excuses wouldnt't have worked.


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    #37
    Terrontress
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    BrianD wrote: »
    Can't you get points in the UK if you are a licenced driver with L plates displayed? I'm assuming that William has a licence!

    In NI anyway, you are restricted to 45mph and forbidden from the motorway if you have L plates displayed, even if you are not a learner driver. An R plate means you are restricted to 45, even if not a restricted driver.

    A friend of mine was learning and his family just left the plates up on their car. His mum got stopped for it on the motorway but was let off with a friendly word.

    I don't think he would have reached 46 on that trip.

    The back of that Aston Martin had the plastes JU5T WED. That might be a bigger issue, displaying an incorrect plate. Who would pull them up on it though? He might find himself posted to the evidence department in the basement, a la Cedric Daniels.


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    #38
    Eru
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    BrianD wrote: »
    But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle?

    Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?


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    #39
    Zambia
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    Eru wrote: »
    Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

    Nationalities I would suspect not, however residency status would probably count.

    For example here in Vic one must have a Vic licence within three months if one is in Australia on a Permanent VISA. If one is here for a year or two on a temp visa well then you can drive on your overseas licence.

    Ireland probably has something like that.


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    #40
    Shield
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    Eru wrote: »
    Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?
    That's not what he asked. I'm a UK resident so I'd be allowed behind the wheel of a UK registered vehicle (assuming all paperwork is in order) on Irish soil, whereas an Irish resident would not.

    I believe that's what he was asking as I didn't see any reference to "nationalities" in his question anywhere.


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    #41
    BrianD
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    parsi wrote: »
    Oh for God's sake. It was a humorous event.

    If a stupid Customs officer stopped a UK reg car belonging to the fleet of the UK Queen then the embarassing event would not have happened.

    The "diplomatic immunity", the "operational security", the "dodgy gay jumper". excuses wouldnt't have worked.

    It was a state visit not a humorous event. Discussion is motivated by why the vehicle(s) were re-reged for such a short visit. I wouldn't expect Mr. VRT man to make an appearance. It's just a discussion.
    Ere wrote:
    Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

    In this particular situation, yes.


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    #42
    stoneill
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    Normally the Queen's car has no reg. I would not have been surprised if the car being used here also had no reg - but I suppose a made up one is the same.


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    #43
    Terrontress
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    stoneill wrote: »
    Normally the Queen's car has no reg. I would not have been surprised if the car being used here also had no reg - but I suppose a made up one is the Isame.

    I think that is only her main car for travelling in, the big Bentley. All the support and security vehicles have numberplates.

    I presume they often do other tasks with the security Range Rovers so need a numberplate for that.


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    #44
    BrianD
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    Zambia wrote: »
    Nationalities I would suspect not, however residency status would probably count.

    For example here in Vic one must have a Vic licence within three months if one is in Australia on a Permanent VISA. If one is here for a year or two on a temp visa well then you can drive on your overseas licence.

    Ireland probably has something like that.

    it's actually 6 months in Victoria which seems to be longer than the other Australian states if you are on a permanent visa. You can use your overseas licence in English for as long as it's valid while on a temporary visa. Though I had heard that this was capped at a year? Also I believe if you are a permanent resident and get a local licence they like to punch a hole in your foreign licence to prevent you producing it if stopped for a traffic offence!

    Irelands rules are a little more lax - if you become ordinarily resident you can drive on certain licences for up to a year as long as it hasn't expired. EU residents can drive as long as their licence is valid.


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    #45
    source
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    Eru wrote: »
    Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

    If an Irish person purchases a UK registered car they must pay VRT on it and get it changed over to Irish plates.

    When it comes to a UK registered car in Ireland, being driven by a British citizen on a visit to Ireland, this British subject will not be subjected to registration laws under the finance acts. Whereas an Irish citizen driving a UK registered car in Ireland will be subject to the finance acts.


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    #46
    goldie fish
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    foinse wrote: »
    If an Irish person purchases a UK registered car they must pay VRT on it and get it changed over to Irish plates.

    When it comes to a UK registered car in Ireland, being driven by a British citizen on a visit to Ireland, this British subject will not be subjected to registration laws under the finance acts. Whereas an Irish citizen driving a UK registered car in Ireland will be subject to the finance acts.

    The above is not necessarily true. There are numerous conditions and exemptions.


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    #47
    BrianD
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    goldie fish wrote: »
    The above is not necessarily true. There are numerous conditions and exemptions.

    There aren't any exceptions so far as I can see for Irish residents. If there are let us know!


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    #48
    goldie fish
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    BrianD wrote: »
    There aren't any exceptions so far as I can see for Irish residents. If there are let us know!

    I thought I already did, a few posts back. There was a Link?
    Transfer of residence.
    An Irish Resident can bring in a UK(or any foreign) reg car and pay no VRT, provided that they previously resided outside the state, and owned the vehicle for 12 months prior to entry into the state, and do not sell it within the state for 12 months following registration in the state.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/tax-relief-transfer-residence.html


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    #49
    source
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    GF I chose my words very carefully in my last post. I'm well aware that there are numerous possibilities when it comes to that particular piece of legislation.

    however the example I used was, used to highlight that some Irish laws are nationality dependent.

    the example was not supposed to be taken as a complete run down of the legislation, i used it merely to point out that some laws do indeed apply to Irish citizens and not foreign visitors.


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    #50
    goldie fish
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    foinse wrote: »
    GF I chose my words very carefully in my last post. I'm well aware that there are numerous possibilities when it comes to that particular piece of legislation.

    however the example I used was, used to highlight that some Irish laws are nationality dependent.

    the example was not supposed to be taken as a complete run down of the legislation, i used it merely to point out that some laws do indeed apply to Irish citizens and not foreign visitors.

    I have to disagree with you. Maybe I am missing something, but you don't need to be an Irish citizen for the Transfer of residence exemption. Just a resident.
    The Point stands though. There are exemptions and conditions..


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    #51
    AGC
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    People working outside the state for the state can also bring back cars without paying VRT


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    #52
    goldie fish
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    That would be through the TOR scheme, however certain motor dealerships operate schemes to allow them to do this, once they are outside the state for 12 months.
    (Gardai, DF overseas with UN etc).


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    #53
    Terrontress
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    foinse wrote: »
    If an Irish person purchases a UK registered car they must pay VRT on it and get it changed over to Irish plates.

    When it comes to a UK registered car in Ireland, being driven by a British citizen on a visit to Ireland, this British subject will not be subjected to registration laws under the finance acts. Whereas an Irish citizen driving a UK registered car in Ireland will be subject to the finance acts.

    Citizenship has nothing to do with it. The key factor is residency.


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    #54
    TJJP
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    Can we presume a cheque is in the post? Seems a different kind of royalty might be due to this thread.....

    The Irish Times - Wednesday, June 1, 2011
    VIP security didn't seem to register
    Hard shoulder - NEIL BRISCOE

    REARVIEW: WHILE THE crowds gathered to catch a glimpse of our recent State visitors, eagle-eyed car nuts were just as eager to catch a glimpse of the armour-plated limos and escort cars. And they weren’t let down.

    Quite apart from President Obama’s Cadillac being stymied by a Dublin speed ramp, those of us who go to bed reading Ludlum, le Carré and Fleming will have been drooling over the armoured BMW chase cars, brought in for the occasions by BMW Ireland, not to mention the armoured royal Range Rover.

    Bulletproof plexiglass, temperature sensors that automatically deploy fire extinguishers, ventilation systems that can see off a gas attack – all of the things we expect from special protection transport fleets. But these were on Irish number plates mismatched with the UK tax discs. How did 11-D registrations get there? We tried asking the Garda press office. “Unfortunately for security and operational reasons, we would not discuss these issues” was the reply. Fair enough. Undaunted, we tried Revenue, which would have issued the plates.

    “Facilities are available whereby, in unique circumstances, a registration number may be issued without the usual requirements of registration. These include circumstances of national security. Because of the sensitivity of these circumstances, details of the registration numbers issued and the procedures underpinning these registrations are not publicised,” said a spokesperson.

    But wait: according to Revenue, it is illegal to display an Irish number plate on a vehicle that hasn’t been legally registered here. We were by now considering a citizen’s arrest.

    However, such thoughts are quickly struck out. If the cars were treated as diplomatic vehicles, then they’re not liable for tax – so one can assume that any registration red tape could also be waived.

    And those considering a little more protection in their motoring lives need not be planning to pick up these cars from their local BMW dealer as low-priced used models with one relatively careful owner. These cars are all heading back to the UK.

    So we probably can’t buy one. And we can’t even enjoy scolding gardaí for driving cars that weren’t properly imported. Ah well. Where’s my dog-eared copy of The Spy Who Came in from the Cold gone to? Back to the fantasies...


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0601/1224298199928.html


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    #55
    discus
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    What a ****ing non-story.

    ****ing lazy journos


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    #56
    goldie fish
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    discus wrote: »
    What a ****ing non-story.

    ****ing lazy journos

    You'd expect it from the Mail or the Indo.

    Not the Times.


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    #57
    discus
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    I know. Anyone can be a journalist these days it seems. Just trawl the internet for a story, and piece together enough lines to get paid. How did the editor let this get published?

    On a side note, we need a lazy journo thread.


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    #58
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    I don't think it's a hard news story or is it meant to be. Sure we have a whole thread dedicated to the subject. :rolleyes:


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    #59
    BrianD
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    Exactly. And I think there is a curiosity as to why the vehicles would be registered here for a short period of times. I can understand the BMWs but the Queens Rangerover?

    It's no biggie but people are always curious about these little oddities.


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    #60
    Terrontress
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    Given that the Beemers were LHD and were used for the Obama visit as well as the Queen, I'd have thought they were going back to Munich instead of the UK, as stated in the article.

    I wonder is there any way to challenge the paper to ask why they have wriiten that. What their source is.


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    #61
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    Terrontress wrote: »
    Given that the Beemers were LHD and were used for the Obama visit as well as the Queen, I'd have thought they were going back to Munich instead of the UK, as stated in the article.

    I wonder is there any way to challenge the paper to ask why they have wriiten that. What their source is.

    Humm, if only we knew which newspaper that article appeared in and maybe then we might be able to find some contact details and someone who is interested in being pedantic might then send some correspondence. If only we could do such a thing. :rolleyes:

    Stab in the dark.


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