Queens motorcade

muppet01

Just saw the vip fleet on the tv.Is the 11d armoured Range Rover and all the BMW's added to the garda fleet for this visit? A great looking fleet

Mr Jinx

muppet01 wrote: »

Just saw the vip fleet on the tv.Is the 11d armoured Range Rover and all the BMW's added to the garda fleet for this visit? A great looking fleet

I think their trying to fool us with the Range Rover Was an eleven D reg on it but they forgot to take off the british tax disc.

POGAN

most the vehicles are royal protection had to be irish reg`ed when you put the reg into `my wheels` there no record

Contra Proferentem

POGAN wrote: »

most the vehicles are royal protection had to be irish reg`ed when you put the reg into `my wheels` there no record

Why was that? Plenty of British regs on Irish roads. Will they be doing the same for Obama's vehicles.

Heavy transport aircraft having been coming and going for the last two weeks at Bal and other places. As a plane spotter, it's an exciting time.

POGAN

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Why was that? Plenty of British regs on Irish roads. Will they be doing the same for Obama's vehicles.

Heavy transport aircraft having been coming and going for the last two weeks at Bal and other places. As a plane spotter, it's an exciting time.

not going go into detail at this time, maybe one of the mods can answer it if they like. i would not want to say anything that would endanger AGS member's going into to much detail

ivabiggon

putting aside all the security and the secrecy, as a fellow uniform wearer but never military, I just want to say how professional all the members of the defence force carried out their duties today. it was great to see all the displays from escort bikers to bands to guard of honours.
they did this country proud on the world stage. they were a credit to the state.
it was very obvious that a lot of preparation went into this.
well done to all.

V Bull

Mr Jinx wrote: »

I think their trying to fool us with the Range Rover Was an eleven D reg on it but they forgot to take off the british tax disc.

Here's a photo of the Range Rover...you can see the red tax disk on the windscreen....

Terrontress

Obama will bring his own vehicles with him. Expect to see a massive Cadillac for the man himself, something similar for his entourage, a black GMC vehicle for his protection crew, an American ambulance which carries a supply of POTUS' blood.

There are chinook helicopters which ferry the vehicles about so they are waiting when he arrives, usually by Sikorsky Black Hawk.

It is a very impressive operation.

muppet01

makes sense , a ballistic and bomb proof Range Rover must be 250k plus.

timmywex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTduGdbLKU&feature=player_embedded

A short video of the motorcade on Westmoreland street today for anyone thats interested

Leo Demidov

Pity they didnt donate the Dundons armoured transport to her maj, would have been a sweet in joke.

EMSCHAP

I notice the BMWs are left hand drive, which the poor unfortunate ADC to the President only discovered when he tried to get in on the wrong side outside the Garden of Remembrance. For some reason the President was not using her usual merc at that part of the visit.

sk8board

Terrontress wrote: »

Obama will bring his own vehicles with him. Expect to see a massive Cadillac for the man himself, something similar for his entourage, a black GMC vehicle for his protection crew, an American ambulance which carries a supply of POTUS' blood.

There are chinook helicopters which ferry the vehicles about so they are waiting when he arrives, usually by Sikorsky Black Hawk.

It is a very impressive operation.

I saw 4 huge chinook's flying in a diamond formation come in from the sea at Skerries/Rush this afternoon about half 2, headed directly west. Can't imagine where they were going. I wonder has the first part of Obama's fleet arrived already, or were they related to the Queen and Cameron being in town?

Unbelievable sight - the size and noise of them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook

matty985

Terrontress wrote: »

Obama will bring his own vehicles with him. Expect to see a massive Cadillac for the man himself, something similar for his entourage, a black GMC vehicle for his protection crew, an American ambulance which carries a supply of POTUS' blood.

There are chinook helicopters which ferry the vehicles about so they are waiting when he arrives, usually by Sikorsky Black Hawk.

It is a very impressive operation.

The vehicles of the motorcade and the Marine One helicopter itself (a Sikorsky Blackhawk or Sea King) are transported by an Air Force cargo transport aircraft, typically the C-17 Globemaster. Blackhawks themselves are "smaller" helicopters, usually used for personnel transport

Terrontress

matty985 wrote: »

The vehicles of the motorcade and the Marine One helicopter itself (a Sikorsky Blackhawk or Sea King) are transported by an Air Force cargo transport aircraft, typically the C-17 Globemaster. Blackhawks themselves are "smaller" helicopters, usually used for personnel transport

To get them in to the country, yes. But to travel within the country they'll use the Chinook to get about. When Clinton came to Belfast he headed up to Omagh and the cars were there. Obviously a C-17 wasn't used to transport them to Omagh with the nearest airport in Derry and I'm not sure if the runway would take a C-17.

Also, Marine One is not a specific helicopter. There are several on each visit and only that which has POTUS on board is designated Marine One. Again, a Belfast visit, George W Bush landed at Aldergrove, pressed the flesh and then a fleet of 4 or 5 Blackhawks took off with him in one.

POGAN

wexfjord wrote: »

Pity they didnt donate the Dundons armoured transport to her maj, would have been a sweet in joke.

It is in the escort, would being great to see her in it doh:)

Morpheus

It is in the escort

for REALS????

POGAN

yes it is..

Rawhead

I was wondering if that was it, has it been resprayed or will the boys recognise their wagon on TV. I presume the other BMW's are all leased or have we decided to go LHD as part of the ECB bailout.

POGAN

no its the same, pitty they wouldn't recognize it because they watch the news:P land rover bm`s nearly all the cars in the escort are uk royal vehicles just irish regs for the visit

Rawhead

Brilliant stuff, it's great to see the good guys rub it in their faces. Good job by AGS and the defence forces, looked very professional.
On a personal note, I think 2 days would have been long enough. It's dropped off the radar in the UK and even here to some extent (Gareth Fitzgeralds death has had a big effect). Should have gone after the dinner on Wednesday on a real high note.
Just my 2 cents.

Terrontress

POGAN wrote: »

no its the same, pitty they wouldn't recognize it because they watch the news:P land rover bm`s nearly all the cars in the escort are uk royal vehicles just irish regs for the visit

I would have thought that the Range Rovers were part of the UK fleet as they want to have the Queen in British built car but I'd be surprised if the BMWs are. For that kind of duty in the UK they tend to use Jags or Range Rovers.

I'd say that given they are LHD that AGS have borrowed them from Munich as a favour. They really do look the business.

alexlyons

the range rover is the Queens, she thought the Bentley would stand out to much. Also, the BMW's came directly from BMW who provide the cars for such occasions, as do Audi and Mercedes. They see it as great publicity

roundymac

alexlyons wrote: »

the range rover is the Queens, she thought the Bentley would stand out to much. Also, the BMW's came directly from BMW who provide the cars for such occasions, as do Audi and Mercedes. They see it as great publicity

All armour plated?

alexlyons

roundymac wrote: »

All armour plated?

Yup, made specifically to be given for visits of heads of states requiring that level of security. Others are available if required

TJJP

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BrianD

I'm just wondering what the protocol for re-registering the vehicles in Ireland is? One wouldn't be surprised to see the Queen in a UK reg as people would assume correctly that it was brought over for the visit. Any particular reason?

Anyway, looking at the regs of the vehicles pictured in this thread 11-D-14683, 14953 and 16582 ... it's good to see that there's a few motors still being sold in these difficult times!

parsi

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Why was that? Plenty of British regs on Irish roads..

All you need is for some ambitious Customs officer to stop them and ask how long have they been in the country, have they plane or ferry tickets etc etc..

Can you imagine the furore if the royal rover was impounded on suspicion of evading VRT ?

Shield

parsi wrote: »

All you need is for some ambitious Customs officer to stop them and ask how long have they been in the country, have they plane or ferry tickets etc etc..

Can you imagine the furore if the royal rover was impounded on suspicion of evading VRT ?

Two words: Diplomatic Immunity

FGR

psni wrote: »

Two words: Diplomatic Immunity

'..it's just been revoked'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXNUaSjXRY

It's a combination of PR and security imo. A different marking on a vehicle for each nation a head of state visits ensures that it's impossible for anyone to recognise the vehicle if used for any other duties in the future.

Bosh

Would I be correct in saying that the Queen doesn't actually hold a passport?

Answer my own question:

Passport

Apparently she doesn't need a driving licence either...

parsi

psni wrote: »

Two words: Diplomatic Immunity

Which of course is invoked after the event so we'd still have the furore.

However the incident alluded to above was so unlikely to happen andcould therefore be seen as a humorous comment.

BrianD

parsi wrote: »

All you need is for some ambitious Customs officer to stop them and ask how long have they been in the country, have they plane or ferry tickets etc etc..

Can you imagine the furore if the royal rover was impounded on suspicion of evading VRT ?

But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle? I presume the Range Rover would have been driven by the Queens's own security detail which would be a UK national?

Terrontress

The queen's Range Rover for the Irish visit seems to be of the same fleet used for the royal wedding.

Obviously security detail should not be seen so it is tough to find a photo of it, this is the best I can do

BrianD

Can't you get points in the UK if you are a licenced driver with L plates displayed? I'm assuming that William has a licence!

parsi

BrianD wrote: »

But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle? I presume the Range Rover would have been driven by the Queens's own security detail which would be a UK national?

Oh for God's sake. It was a humorous event.

If a stupid Customs officer stopped a UK reg car belonging to the fleet of the UK Queen then the embarassing event would not have happened.

The "diplomatic immunity", the "operational security", the "dodgy gay jumper". excuses wouldnt't have worked.

Terrontress

BrianD wrote: »

Can't you get points in the UK if you are a licenced driver with L plates displayed? I'm assuming that William has a licence!

In NI anyway, you are restricted to 45mph and forbidden from the motorway if you have L plates displayed, even if you are not a learner driver. An R plate means you are restricted to 45, even if not a restricted driver.

A friend of mine was learning and his family just left the plates up on their car. His mum got stopped for it on the motorway but was let off with a friendly word.

I don't think he would have reached 46 on that trip.

The back of that Aston Martin had the plastes JU5T WED. That might be a bigger issue, displaying an incorrect plate. Who would pull them up on it though? He might find himself posted to the evidence department in the basement, a la Cedric Daniels.

Eru

BrianD wrote: »

But isn't it only an offence for an Irish resident to be behind the wheel of a foreign reg vehicle?

Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

Zambia

Eru wrote: »

Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

Nationalities I would suspect not, however residency status would probably count.

For example here in Vic one must have a Vic licence within three months if one is in Australia on a Permanent VISA. If one is here for a year or two on a temp visa well then you can drive on your overseas licence.

Ireland probably has something like that.

Shield

Eru wrote: »

Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

That's not what he asked. I'm a UK resident so I'd be allowed behind the wheel of a UK registered vehicle (assuming all paperwork is in order) on Irish soil, whereas an Irish resident would not.

I believe that's what he was asking as I didn't see any reference to "nationalities" in his question anywhere.

BrianD

parsi wrote: »

Oh for God's sake. It was a humorous event.

If a stupid Customs officer stopped a UK reg car belonging to the fleet of the UK Queen then the embarassing event would not have happened.

The "diplomatic immunity", the "operational security", the "dodgy gay jumper". excuses wouldnt't have worked.

It was a state visit not a humorous event. Discussion is motivated by why the vehicle(s) were re-reged for such a short visit. I wouldn't expect Mr. VRT man to make an appearance. It's just a discussion.

Ere wrote:

Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

In this particular situation, yes.

stoneill

Normally the Queen's car has no reg. I would not have been surprised if the car being used here also had no reg - but I suppose a made up one is the same.

Terrontress

stoneill wrote: »

Normally the Queen's car has no reg. I would not have been surprised if the car being used here also had no reg - but I suppose a made up one is the Isame.

I think that is only her main car for travelling in, the big Bentley. All the support and security vehicles have numberplates.

I presume they often do other tasks with the security Range Rovers so need a numberplate for that.

BrianD

Zambia wrote: »

Nationalities I would suspect not, however residency status would probably count.

For example here in Vic one must have a Vic licence within three months if one is in Australia on a Permanent VISA. If one is here for a year or two on a temp visa well then you can drive on your overseas licence.

Ireland probably has something like that.

it's actually 6 months in Victoria which seems to be longer than the other Australian states if you are on a permanent visa. You can use your overseas licence in English for as long as it's valid while on a temporary visa. Though I had heard that this was capped at a year? Also I believe if you are a permanent resident and get a local licence they like to punch a hole in your foreign licence to prevent you producing it if stopped for a traffic offence!

Irelands rules are a little more lax - if you become ordinarily resident you can drive on certain licences for up to a year as long as it hasn't expired. EU residents can drive as long as their licence is valid.

source

Eru wrote: »

Seriously? You think laws are selective in what nationalities they apply to?

If an Irish person purchases a UK registered car they must pay VRT on it and get it changed over to Irish plates.

When it comes to a UK registered car in Ireland, being driven by a British citizen on a visit to Ireland, this British subject will not be subjected to registration laws under the finance acts. Whereas an Irish citizen driving a UK registered car in Ireland will be subject to the finance acts.

goldie fish

foinse wrote: »

If an Irish person purchases a UK registered car they must pay VRT on it and get it changed over to Irish plates.

When it comes to a UK registered car in Ireland, being driven by a British citizen on a visit to Ireland, this British subject will not be subjected to registration laws under the finance acts. Whereas an Irish citizen driving a UK registered car in Ireland will be subject to the finance acts.

The above is not necessarily true. There are numerous conditions and exemptions.

BrianD

goldie fish wrote: »

The above is not necessarily true. There are numerous conditions and exemptions.

There aren't any exceptions so far as I can see for Irish residents. If there are let us know!

goldie fish

BrianD wrote: »

There aren't any exceptions so far as I can see for Irish residents. If there are let us know!

I thought I already did, a few posts back. There was a Link?
Transfer of residence.
An Irish Resident can bring in a UK(or any foreign) reg car and pay no VRT, provided that they previously resided outside the state, and owned the vehicle for 12 months prior to entry into the state, and do not sell it within the state for 12 months following registration in the state.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/tax-relief-transfer-residence.html

source

GF I chose my words very carefully in my last post. I'm well aware that there are numerous possibilities when it comes to that particular piece of legislation.

however the example I used was, used to highlight that some Irish laws are nationality dependent.

the example was not supposed to be taken as a complete run down of the legislation, i used it merely to point out that some laws do indeed apply to Irish citizens and not foreign visitors.

goldie fish

foinse wrote: »

GF I chose my words very carefully in my last post. I'm well aware that there are numerous possibilities when it comes to that particular piece of legislation.

however the example I used was, used to highlight that some Irish laws are nationality dependent.

the example was not supposed to be taken as a complete run down of the legislation, i used it merely to point out that some laws do indeed apply to Irish citizens and not foreign visitors.

I have to disagree with you. Maybe I am missing something, but you don't need to be an Irish citizen for the Transfer of residence exemption. Just a resident.
The Point stands though. There are exemptions and conditions..

AGC

People working outside the state for the state can also bring back cars without paying VRT