John Hill acquited

Di0genes

I'm as surprised as anyone else.

A MAN has been acquitted of sending a DVD to families bereaved by the July 7 attacks claiming the four suicide bombers from Yorkshire were “innocent patsies”.
Prosecutors said John Hill also sent a letter to John Hyman, telling him his daughter Miriam did not die in the Tavistock Square bus blast but was murdered by the security services at Canary Wharf in London.
But the 63-year-old was found not guilty of two counts of attempting to pervert the course of justice by posting six copies of the DVD to the foreman of the jury and one to the judge presiding over a 2008 trial at Kingston Crown Court linked to the suicide bombings.
Jurors at Hill’s trial at Southwark Crown Court in London were told this week that the packages were intercepted by court staff before they reached the intended targets.
They were traced by DNA and fingerprinting to Hill, who was living in Carrick Street, Kells, County Meath, in Ireland.
Annabel Darlow, prosecuting, said the “central thrust” of the film was that the four who had been identified as the 7/7 bombers were innocent men who had been set up by the authorities and murdered.
She said: “It was argued in the film that the explosions on the Tube and on the bus in Tavistock Square were not caused by bombs from the rucksacks but, in fact, the Tubes and the bus had been pre-rigged by the powers-that-be with explosives.”
Jurors rejected her case against Hill and cleared him on Thursday, a court official said.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/man_cleared_over_7_7_bombers_are_innocent_dvd_1_3379216

humanji

That actually makes little sense to me. He's obviously guilty. I wouldn't want him to get any major punishment, just a slap on the wrist and told to not do it again. But is this going to set precedent for people to harrass family members and juries in future?

Di0genes

humanji wrote: »

That actually makes little sense to me. He's obviously guilty. I wouldn't want him to get any major punishment, just a slap on the wrist and told to not do it again. But is this going to set precedent for people to harrass family members and juries in future?

Sending DVDs to people isn't a crime. And he was so stupid he sent the DVDs to the jury via the court. And asked the court to pass them to the jury.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

I'm as surprised as anyone else.



http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/man_cleared_over_7_7_bombers_are_innocent_dvd_1_3379216

Why are you surprised? I think it's great news. Would you prefer to see him behind bars for 20 years for doing what he thought was right?

The jury had to watch his 7/7 film in full in court. I'd love to know how many of the jury that acquitted him now doubt the official version.

Lab_Mouse

was the dvd one he put together or just copies of a properly made one?

Talk E

Great news.

This is the mentioned dvd he created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2NXPl625A

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Why are you surprised? I think it's great news.

Because he was attempting to pervert the course of justice. He was trying to influence the jury in a trial.

Would you prefer to see him behind bars for 20 years for doing what he thought was right?

I doubt he was going to get 20 years.

And lots of people do things because they think it's right. Klan members lynch people. Terrorists plant bombs. The US invade countries. All because they think they're right.

The jury had to watch his 7/7 film in full in court. I'd love to know how many of the jury that acquitted him now doubt the official version.

I doubt the jury were also treated to a rebuttal of his arguments.

johnmichael

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Talk E

johnmichael wrote: »

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Lefticus Loonaticus

One could argue that justice has already been perverted and he was only trying to level the playing field.

The families of the the victims are still calling for a public inquiry even after the final report two weeks ago.

uprising2

I found this an interesting read, calling into question the queen's legitimacy, not being taken to court for bail, deleted off the system, bailed, he told the truth, never denied a thing, and was found not guilty by a jury. In the end it wasn't his freeman approach that got him off


I wonder will he be back here waving his "God save the queen" flags next week.


From his friends site:copy and paste:

The (7/7) Ripple Effect Story

May 14, 2011 -- London, England
Now that Muad’Dib/John Hill has been found not guilty, the full story to this point of His malicious and politically motivated prosecution can be told…
Three years ago, Muad’Dib mailed some DVDs containing his ‘7/7 Ripple Effect’ film to a courthouse near London, where three scapegoats were being prosecuted in hopes of lending credibility to the government’s “official” 7/7 story. These DVDs were sent by Muad’Dib because he wanted to keep innocent men from receiving very lengthy prison sentences. ALL the rest of us who knew about that situation should be ashamed for not having done exactly what Muad’Dib did.
As a result of his good-will, Muad’Dib’s home was raided by police and he was arrested on a charge of "perverting the course of justice". In the Orwellian 21st century, he was really just being attacked by a malicious and out of control police-state for getting in the way of their murderous crimes. The charge against Muad’Dib originated out of long-standing nazi-stronghold—London—where the globalist banking syndicate is headquartered.
So, Muad’Dib then spent over a year and a half fighting extradition to England where he knew it was going to be one corrupt event after another. The very short story is that his lawyer in Ireland refused to do as instructed and sabotaged his defense. Since the Irish judges were all quite corrupt too, never applying Law or even the relevant legislation, Muad’Dib’s fight against extradition was eventually denied by the Irish Supreme Court in front of 40 supporters and he was re-imprisoned, then taken to the UK in November of 2010.
Once there, the more obvious corruption started, as he was at that point held firmly in the clutches of a filthy corrupt British Establishment (including police, courts, and media).
Firstly, Muad’Dib was deleted from the prison’s computer system, with them originally saying that Muad’Dib wasn’t at their prison and they didn’t know where he was. About that same time, a police officer working to prosecute Muad’Dib stated openly that many other people sent DVDs to the same courthouse as Muad’Dib, but no one else was even investigated, never-mind charged. This was an open admission of a malicious and politically motivated prosecution/persecution.
Eventually the prison system admitted they had Muad’Dib in custody, and a bail application was made, then denied, by a corrupt judge for the official reason that he “didn’t want more DVDs to be sent out”. Sending out DVDs is, of course, not actually a crime. Muad’Dib then spent approximately three months straight incarcerated, teaching and waking up a sizeable portion of the prison staff and inmates.
In early March of 2011, bail was finally granted by the only judge throughout this entire process that actually seemed like a reasonably honest man. However, this process was still made very difficult by the fact that the prison service kept making “mistakes” or “forgetting” to bring Muad’Dib to his own court hearings. In all, Muad’Dib was only produced for two of seven different court hearings whilst seeking bail.
After being granted bail, one of Muad’Dib’s supporters went to go pay the ransom money, only to find out that, once again, he’d been deleted from the computer systems. This of course complicated things, but eventually the sabotaged system was fixed, the ransom paid, and after a bit of haggling with the prison, Muad’Dib was released with barely enough time to travel to his bail address before his court-imposed 10pm nightly curfew. At that point Muad’Dib began refining his defense and legal challenges.
His first action was to challenge the jurisdiction of the court, by proving, with a wealth of evidence, that “queen” Elizabeth is not the rightful monarch.
This was a two-point argument. First is that the Stone of Destiny/Coronation Stone was a fake, and Elizabeth knew that at the time and since then, which meant not only was she never properly crowned, but she was also knowingly conning the public.
The second and absolutely irrefutable part of the argument, is that Elizabeth had broken her legally binding coronation oath, which is a valid contract she made with the British people allowing her to be their queen. Although more proof exists and was to be used in court, the skeleton legal argument summarizing this jurisdictional challenge can be found online at: REGINA v JAH.
At the end of March 2011, Muad’Dib submitted the basics of this challenge to the court, alongside applications to subpoena “queen” Elizabeth to testify, and for production of the Sovereign’s Coronation Bible, which Elizabeth had used when swearing her legally binding oath. She also signed a written version of the contract, and a high-quality picture of the original can be seen here: Signed Coronation Contract.
Unsurprisingly, nothing at all was heard back from the court as would normally happen. The final day that the court was open before his May 9th trial, Muad’Dib visited the court clerk’s office, and asked them what the situation was. At that point, he was finally notified that his subpoena applications had been denied (by an extremely dirty judge), but that the court had, once again, “mistakenly” mailed them to the wrong address.
After having been harassed, monitored, restricted, and imprisoned for long periods of time by a completely filthy “judicial system”, May 9th 2011 finally came, and with it, as one would guess, more corruption.
The judge, hand-picked by the Establishment to handle Muad’Dib’s case, was clearly unhappy to have been forced into what he surely saw as a difficult predicament for him. He had a totally innocent man (Muad’Dib) in front of him, and a courtroom full of witnesses which were going to make it very hard for this judge to carry out the orders he’d been given by his evil cronies, which was to make absolutely sure a guilty verdict was returned against Muad’Dib.
First, the judge flatly refused to hear Muad’Dib’s application to subpoena Elizabeth and the Coronation Bible. With that done, he then read Muad’Dib’s jurisdictional challenge, which, as above, had/has two points: a) the fake stone used, and b) the broken coronation contract.
After giving Muad’Dib a few minutes to make his case, the judge adjourned the trial for the rest of the day. The following morning he came back and said he was denying Muad’Dib’s challenge, ONLY on the grounds that it “didn’t matter” if a fake coronation stone was used. The judge very slyly attempted to ignore a huge amount of Muad’Dib’s challenge, saying absolutely nothing whatsoever about Elizabeth having broken her legally binding contract with the British people. The judge had to ignore and bypass that part of the challenge, because, even by their own silly “rules” and legislation, that part of the challenge is still absolutely water-tight and irrefutable.
The fact that the judge refused to even mention that crucial part of Muad’Dib’s challenge offers a great deal of proof that it cannot be argued against in court, therefore, everyone should be studying the information and using it themselves in any British (or Commonwealth) courtroom possible. If you’ve not broken a Biblical Law, then you cannot be prosecuted for anything by Elizabeth or her agents.
With Muad’Dib’s challenge officially denied (ran roughshod over as he predicted), the jury was then sworn in, and the prosecution began spewing out a bunch of pointless hot air. Basically, the prosecutor (who was an arrogant, rotten little girl with no moral decency) had no legitimate case to argue on behalf of those evil Establishment figures instructing her, and they ALL knew it. So, she just talked around in circles for the better part of a day, while some members of the jury struggled to stay awake.
Once that had finished, Muad’Dib’s only defense was getting up on the witness-stand and explaining to the jury that he sent the DVDs to the courthouse because innocent men were being maliciously prosecuted, just like he now was, and that he could not sit back and watch people go to prison for something they didn’t do. It really was that simple, so Muad’Dib used the opportunity to also enlighten everyone in the courtroom about other subjects like the false-flag 911. Upon cross-examination, the silly little girl prosecuting wasted everyone’s time by connivingly trying to get Muad’Dib to say he’d done something wrong. That didn’t work and she ended up hurting her own case even more, deciding she’d better sit down and be quiet when Muad’Dib scolded her for wasting everyone’s time speaking nonsense.
After this, both sides summed up their cases. The prosecution slandered Muad’Dib and the defense team basically said this whole thing was horribly ridiculous.
Then it was the corrupt (and probably free-masonic) judge’s turn to have the last word. This horror in a robe went on to do everything he could possibly come up with to try and manipulate the jury into giving a guilty verdict. This judge re-defined the words in the charge, stated Muad’Dib said things that he never said, then outright lied to the jury by stating it was not up to him which evidence they heard, when he had already forbid various pieces of evidence from being shown to the jury (thereby making decisions about evidence). He did basically everything he could to have Muad’Dib found guilty, just short of openly telling the jury that they must convict. Had the public gallery not been full to over-flowing, he probably would have done just that.
The jury then went back to deliberate and about 2.5 hours later came back saying they couldn’t reach a unanimous decision (possibly a plant or two in the jury). The judge probably thought the odds were in favor of a conviction, so he then allowed a majority verdict (no less than 10 to 2 either way), and the jury went out again, before coming back an hour later saying they’d come to a decision.
The jury forewoman that gave their verdict came in the room beaming with a wonderful smile, and a few other jury members were definitely grinning. A NOT GUILTY verdict was then give and the jury left the room once again to the applause of the public gallery.
The judge then left the courtroom quite visibly upset (knowing he was probably in trouble for failing to get this conviction on behalf of his masters) and the prosecutor waddled away back to whatever crypt she’d crawled out of. The police officer visibly heading-up Muad’Dib’s prosecution actually had the decency to say he was sorry—which was nice, all things considered.
Muad’Dib is once again at complete liberty after having proven that doing the right thing always pays off in the end—IF you don’t lose strength.
As for the rest of us? We can all look forward to a second-edition of the ‘7/7 Ripple Effect’ coming out soon. :-)
Yes, case closed… But a new beginning of sorts is upon us. Keep checking back for updates. This is just a battle won, but this war for Truth, Justice, and Liberty is not over yet.
AMEN.
-The Friends of Muad'Dib





TERROR ON THE TUBE

The London 7/7 Bombings: A Murder Investigation
On Wednesday they watched all of his film, ‘The Ripple Effect’, in open court.
Over the Tuesday and Wednesday the jury heard in-depth discussions of both 7/7 and 9/11, with Mr Hill laying out clearly, and at his own leisurely pace under cross-examination, the reasons he believes that both these ‘attacks by terrorists’ were, in fact, false flag attacks by agencies of the state against its own people carried out with the purpose of providing a pretext for invasion of innocent countries in the middle east in order to control their natural resources.
This was surely the first ever fully-explored set of such allegations of false flag terror made against any state before an ordinary collection of the citizens of that state.
http://terroronthetube.co.uk/2011/05/12/muaddib-acquitted/


http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry.

Di0genes

One wonders will he go and demand to be reinstated as the King of England and Jerusalem

On 13/June/1988, in fulfillment of prophecy, Muad’Dib served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, demanding that He be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King. As soon as He takes power, He will immediately repeal all man-made “laws” which are all illegal according to God’s Law, and which enable the rich to “legally” steal from everyone else. He will also re-institute the "Year of Release", which is the forgiveness of debt every seven years, and the REAL "Jubilee" and begin to redistribute their share of the wealth that has been stolen from them back to the poor, and ban usury. The ban on private gun ownership will be repealed. All will have exactly the same powers to arrest persons committing real crimes.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons

Muad’Dib has located the exact spot marking the entrance to the chamber which is the resting place of the Ark of the Covenant, at the Hill of Tara in Ireland. For over 10 years He has been campaigning to be allowed to dig down some metres in a space not more than 2m x 2m. Obviously, this, and He, have been a thorn in the side of the Irish authorities, who do not want to permit the Ark to be recovered because it doesn’t form part of the N.W.O.’s plans. Quite the opposite, It is a tool which will help to defeat them. This could also explain the seeming eagerness of the Irish authorities to comply with the false British charge and extradition request against Muad’Dib, because He was not going away until He had recovered the Ark, also in fulfillment of prophecy.

The man is completely hatstanding barking man.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

One wonders will he go and demand to be reinstated as the King of England and Jerusalem



http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons



The man is completely hatstanding barking man.

???

All that is just mudslinging though. It has no relevance to the case unless you think it is criminal to be insane?

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

???

All that is just mudslinging though.

It's not mud slinging...the man literally thinks he's the King of England.

It has no relevance to the case unless you think it is criminal to be insane?

It show's his rants are that of insane man.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

It's not mud slinging...the man literally thinks he's the King of England.



It show's his rants are that of insane man.

All the more reason that he shouldn't be rotting in a cage. Is that what you would have liked to see?

Monty Burnz

My two cents on this is that the guy isn't operating in the real world. He sees things that aren't there, and believes things seemingly at random - if you want to characterise that as insane, go ahead.

I don't see how it benefits anybody to have a harmless but bewildered man rotting in prison. It's not going to make him see the world as it really is, and it's not protecting anyone from any threat.

I'm happy that they let him off.

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

All the more reason that he shouldn't be rotting in a cage. Is that what you would have liked to see?

I never said I wanted him imprisoned. Better sending some DVDs then the shooting sprees some CTers get up to.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

I never said I wanted him imprisoned. Better sending some DVDs then the shooting sprees some CTers get up to.

Was that a joke or more mudslinging?

I get the impression that you are bothered less by the fact that he was released after perverting the course of justice and more by the fact that a "CTer" was acquitted.

robtri

I think it's great news. Would you prefer to see him behind bars for 20 years for doing what he thought was right?

so if i thought i am doing right i am ok to do whatever i feel???? is that what u are saying....

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Was that a joke or more mudslinging?

Several 9/11 conspiracy fans have gone on killing sprees.

I get the impression that you are bothered less by the fact that he was released after perverting the course of justice and more by the fact that a "CTer" was acquitted.

You're projecting BB.

WakeUp

Di0genes wrote: »

Several 9/11 conspiracy fans have gone on killing sprees.

Obviously if that is true then its a tragedy evil and wrong and the people responsible need seeing too/locking up.

But what youre saying there got me thinking about these other "conspiracy fans" who sent hundreds of thousands of people on a major killing spree. It all began about 10 years ago in the States started by some fella you might have heard of him his name was George Bush. Him and his deluded mad cronies had this crazy conspiracy theory something about Iraq and mythical weapons of mass destruction. Ended up bombing the place back to the stoneage, invading and occupying the country whilst killling hundreds of thousands of innoncent people in the process. As far as conspiracy fans and killing sprees go, Bush & Blair will take some beating.

That said I dont believe all the people who supported and spoke out in favour of the murder and mayhem in Iraq are as mad & deluded as those who started it and brainwashed people into thinking it was right. Same way I dont think all people who question the official version of 9/11 are as mad and deluded as thouse people who went on a killing spree if thats what they did. Some people are just off the wall doesnt matter what they believe in.

Mahatma coat

OK, Please provide links to 9/11 'fans' who have gone on shooting sprees.

Note that their '9/11 Fan-ness' is the bit I'mmost interested in establishing

Di0genes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

OK, Please provide links to 9/11 'fans' who have gone on shooting sprees.

Note that their '9/11 Fan-ness' is the bit I'mmost interested in establishing

Shall We do this Mahatma?

Shall I provide the links and make you look foolish, and you'll ignore it?

Do you want to dance this tired little dance again?

EarlERizer

Di0genes wrote: »

Several 9/11 conspiracy fans have gone on killing sprees.

Too use one of your lines ........

Source?

Mahatma coat

Di0genes wrote: »

Shall We do this Mahatma?

Shall I provide the links and make you look foolish, and you'll ignore it?

Do you want to dance this tired little dance again?

Yeah, Provide the links th what you think Justify that statement and then we can see if the claimn has merit.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

so if i thought i am doing right i am ok to do whatever i feel???? is that what u are saying....

Well let's put into context. If you truly believed that innocent men were being punished for a crime they didn't commit wouldn't you do everything in your power to ensure they recieved justice?

Di0genes

But just for you

James W. Von Brunn: Murdered Holocaust Museum security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns, 39.

He also made posts expressing his opposition to the Iraq War, and felt that the September 11 attacks were an "inside job"

Jared Loughner.

Murdered six people in a shooting spree in Tucson and wounded at least 13 others. Victims: Federal judge John Roll, 63; Christina Green, 9; Gabe Zimmerman, 30; Dorothy Murray, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and Phyllis Scheck, 79.

http://patterico.com/2011/01/10/jared-loughner-9-11-truther/

Richard Poplawski killed 3 cops....Big Alex Jones and 911 truther fan.

John Patrick Bedell only wounded three cops at the penatgon

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/john-patrick-bedell-911-truther-but.html

Monty Burnz

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well let's put into context. If you truly believed that innocent men were being punished for a crime they didn't commit wouldn't you do everything in your power to ensure they recieved justice?

You're dead right BB, but I think this is one case where a guy's usually harmless CT beliefs came into collision with the real world of hard facts and hard evidence, and it ended badly for him. It's ridiculous that they took so long to try him, and a conviction would have been wrong.

uprising2

Di0genes wrote: »

But just for you





Jared Loughner.


http://patterico.com/2011/01/10/jared-loughner-9-11-truther/

Richard Poplawski killed 3 cops....Big Alex Jones and 911 truther fan.

John Patrick Bedell only wounded three cops at the penatgon

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/john-patrick-bedell-911-truther-but.html

can you show non CT'rs that did worse just because they did

Di0genes

uprising2 wrote: »

can you show non CT'rs that did worse just because they did

Thats four killing sprees because mentally disturbed men (like John Hill) who believed 911 truth nonsense picked up guns instead of DVDs

I think I made my point.

I don't need to take requests

Mahatma coat

OK thats #Three, and in fairness they were interested in a lot of CT's, its rather telling that the articles focus on the 'antisemitisim' more than the 9/11 aspect

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

Thats four killing sprees because mentally disturbed men (like John Hill) who believed 911 truth nonsense picked up guns instead of DVDs

I think I made my point.

I don't need to take requests

3 killing spress by your own admission. Down to two because Jared Loughner never mentioned anything about 9/11. I read every post he made on abovetopsecret.

joebucks

Di0genes wrote: »

Several 9/11 conspiracy fans have gone on killing sprees.



You're projecting BB.

Di0genes wrote: »

But just for you





Jared Loughner.


http://patterico.com/2011/01/10/jared-loughner-9-11-truther/

Richard Poplawski killed 3 cops....Big Alex Jones and 911 truther fan.

John Patrick Bedell only wounded three cops at the penatgon

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/john-patrick-bedell-911-truther-but.html

Hey Di0genes, I am not too familiar with the Bedell, Poplawski cases but have read a bit about the Loughner one. Alot of information in the sources you have used to demonstrate that 9-11 conspiracy fans is unproven. Do you have any links to back up the claims that Loughner was an anti-semite or that he was involved with 9-11 truth? What forums etc did he post on discussing these issues??

Di0genes

joebucks wrote: »

Hey Di0genes, I am not too familiar with the Bedell, Poplawski cases but have read a bit about the Loughner one. Alot of information in the sources you have used to demonstrate that 9-11 conspiracy fans is unproven. Do you have any links to back up the claims that Loughner was an anti-semite or that he was involved with 9-11 truth? What forums etc did he post on discussing these issues??

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search/label/Jared%20Loughner

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

3 killing spress by your own admission.

C'mon Brown Bomber that's ****ing pedanty. Guy goes on a rampage with a gun and gets stopped and you're quibbling it because he only wounded?

Down to two because Jared Loughner never mentioned anything about 9/11. I read every post he made on abovetopsecret.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search/label/Jared%20Loughner

Mahatma coat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

3 killing spress by your own admission. Down to two because Jared Loughner never mentioned anything about 9/11. I read every post he made on abovetopsecret.

I wouldnt count the first example either as ONE Death is not a Spree

Di0genes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I wouldnt count the first example either as ONE Death is not a Spree

Again....the motive was for more.

Mahatma coat

how do you link Attacking the Holocaust Museum with 9/11???

anyway, I'm off to bed, your 9/11 leads to Killing sprees claim is spurious at best, I'd be interested to see if you can come up with some more convincing examples by morning;)

joebucks

Di0genes wrote: »

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search/label/Jared%20Loughner

So speculation by a former friend on ABC counts as a quality source now?

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search/label/Jared%20Loughner

WTF was that supposed to prove? Some random blogger claims that Loughner was a 9/11 conspiracy theorist?

uprising2

Di0genes wrote: »

Thats four killing sprees because mentally disturbed men (like John Hill) who believed 911 truth nonsense picked up guns instead of DVDs

I think I made my point.

I don't need to take requests

John Antony Hill is a man of peace, he's sick of death and violence, he's a well mannered man of peace and I an I wish him well, I've spoke with him briefly outside the supreme court on his extadition charges, but in the cold and dark, God told him he will set him free to be one of the two prophets, the witnesses, and he has.
God is Great

Di0genes

Mahatma coat wrote: »

how do you link Attacking the Holocaust Museum with 9/11???

anyway, I'm off to bed, your 9/11 leads to Killing sprees claim is spurious at best, I'd be interested to see if you can come up with some more convincing examples by morning;)

Seems Mr. von Brunn wasn’t a big fan of the Iraq War and also believed that 9/11 was an “inside job.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/15/the-left-cries-racist-in-a-crowded-country/?page=2

I've got 4 MC......

They were also all antisemites as well. Funny that.

Brown Bomber

joebucks wrote: »

So speculation by a former friend on ABC counts as a quality source now?

Like I said I read every post by Loughner on abovetopsecret it was Erad21 or something like that. He never made any mention of 9/11. He was all about the moon landings, The Fed and "conscience" dreaming.

Brown Bomber

Di0genes wrote: »

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/15/the-left-cries-racist-in-a-crowded-country/?page=2

I've got 4 MC......

They were also all antisemites as well. Funny that.

This is proof to you

Seems Mr. von Brunn wasn’t a big fan of the Iraq War and also believed that 9/11 was an “inside job.”

WakeUp

I agree with MC the "questioning of 9/11 leads to killing spree" is weak and spurious at best, nite all:).

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is proof to you

Von Brunn was the 9,196th person to sign the “Petition of Solidarity” hosted on the website Justicefor911.org, which claims it is sponsored in part by the organization 911Truth.org. According to the website over 16,600 people have signed the petition.

http://www.nowhampshire.com/2009/06/10/holocaust-museum-suspect-was-a-911-%E2%80%9Ctruther%E2%80%9D/

And

Update: Here’s a letter Von Brunn wrote to Earthrainbownetwork.com about 9/11:

DID YOU KNOW THAT…
The fixed population of both World Trade Center towers (8am) on Sept 11, 2001: 38,500
Visitors at any one time during the day: 3,900
TOTAL population: 42,400
Experts’ initial estimate of total killed: 6,000
Total deaths recorded as of this date: 2,800
Total Israeli people killed: 1
Evacuation experts estimate buildings were only 30% occupied: 2,720
Those absent from work that day: 29,680
One Israeli National died in the WTC. Many didn’t show up that day – the Odigo Instant Messaging apparently gave a two-hour warning prior to the attacks.

http://www.red-alerts.com/homeland-security/so-it-begins-shots-fired-at-holocaust-museum-in-dc-after-jeremiah-wright-claims-them-jews-are-controlling-obama/

Di0genes

WakeUp wrote: »

I agree with MC the "questioning of 9/11 leads to killing spree" is weak and spurious at best, nite all:).

Um and I never said it did.

RoboClam

Is the argument that people who believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy are more prone to killing sprees/violence? Based on the number of people that believe it, is four killing sprees a large deviation from what is seen in the rest of the population over a 10 year period? Also, it could be just one of a number of things which these people have in common, maybe they're all religious? Or maybe they all blonde? There are really too many other factors here, and correlation != causation.

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Di0genes wrote: »

Um and I never said it did.

Ignore what I said so! I wasn't sure what the argument was about.

Brown Bomber

RoboClam wrote: »

Is the argument that people who believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy are more prone to killing sprees/violence? Based on the number of people that believe it, is four killing sprees a large deviation from what is seen in the rest of the population over a 10 year period? Also, it could be just one of a number of things which these people have in common, maybe they're all religious? Or maybe they all blonde? There are really too many other factors here, and correlation != causation.

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Ignore what I said so! I wasn't sure what the argument was about.

This is what he said

Thats four killing sprees because mentally disturbed men (like John Hill) who believed 911 truth nonsense picked up guns instead of DVDs

And isn't "correlation != causation" "CTer" logic?

And it's not 4. Loughner never mentioned anything about 9-11. And of the 3 the 9-11 connections seems to be mostly hearsay and tenuous links, 1 wasn't a spree and the other involved no killing.

EarlERizer

Di0genes wrote: »

But just for you

James W Von Brunn

Jared Loughner.

Richard Poplawski killed 3 cops....Big Alex Jones and 911 truther fan.

John Patrick Bedell only wounded three cops at the penatgon

James W Von Brunn - 88 yr old White Supremacist with a deep rooted hatred of Jews (denied the holocaust ever happened) & Blacks shots a Black security guard at the Holocaust meuseum a couple of days after a Black American president makes a speech at a holocaust site ......cant really blame this one on his 911 veiws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_von_Brunn

Jared Loughner. - Supressed loner,drug abuser & unable to accept women in powerful positions,takes a serious dislike to Gifford after a question n answers session relating to his constituitional rights,documents his desire to assasinate her,goes on to buy weapons and ammunition and sets out to do as he intended at a convention that Gifford is addressing......straighforward case there without the need to attribute it to his thinking on 911.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

Richard Poplawski - US Marine failure, kicked out of Marine Corp at boot camp stage after assaulting a drill sergeant,massive gun lover with a stock pile of weaponary who couldn't take been barked at by a figure of authority and carried a deep sense of self protection of his constituitional rights.....another straighforward case here with no need to attribute his crime to his thinking on 911
http://www.wtae.com/r/19096134/detail.html

John Patrick Bedell - The only one of the listed 4 with a motivation to go out and kill due to his beliefs regarding the government.However he was also a sufferer of Bi-polar disorder so it's unclear as to what state of mind he was in when he carried out the shooting ..... so I'll give ya that one!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting

Jeez Di0genes I'd have expected you to have produced something a little more solid given your hard line no nonsense approach to CT's

Di0genes

RoboClam wrote: »

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Ignore what I said so! I wasn't sure what the argument was about.

Precisely the general concurrence is that Joe Hill was crazy. And some crazy people believe 9/11 conspiracy theories. And go on killing sprees.

I am not, and have not claimed that 9/11 conspiracy theories cause killing sprees. Just that certain crazy people believe them, and justify them for their crimes.

Plenty of nice normal people believe 9/11 conspiracy theories (one or two of them are on this forum).

What Mahatma and Brown Bomber seem to be arguing about is the idea that anyone who believes 9/11 conspiracy theories could possibly have gone on a rampage.

In fact they're distastefully trying to discount one because the killer had poor aim or the police got to them quickly and frankly unbelievably trying to argue that James Von Brunn doesn't count because he only killed one!