Would you ever vote Fianna Fáil again?

Foxhound38

So the election is over and we now have a sparkling new Government to seperate us from our hard earned cash. We all know that voters (particularly Irish ones) have short memories, but I would be interested to hear if the fine citizens of After Hours would ever consider voting Fianna Fáil again in the future after the antics of the Bertie and Biffo Show, and what it would take to make them do so?

orourkeda

never have never will

DaveDaRave

Already did.

policarp

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So the election is over and we now have a sparkling new Government to seperate us from our hard earned cash. We all know that voters (particularly Irish ones) have short memories, but I would be interested to hear if the fine citizens of After Hours would ever consider voting Fianna Fáil again in the future after the antics of the Bertie and Biffo Show, and what it would take to make them do so?

What's the difference?

orourkeda

DaveDaRave wrote: »

Already did.

Ahhhhhh. The irish voter

mikemac

Noel Coonan is our local FG TD and never was there a more useless TD going. Mr Invisible as they call him

And people wonder why we vote Michael Lowry....
Well at least he works!

If Noel Coonan is the best that FG can provide well I'm looking elsewhere next election

So yes OP, I'd consider it
And I'm not one bit happy of the government dipping into private sector pension funds

charlemont

Never did nor ever will as they wont change.. :cool:

sherdydan

Mary O'Rourke got my first preference last time around!

gladly vote for them over the blueshirts!

TheZohanS

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So the election is over and we now have a sparkling new Government to seperate us from our hard earned cash. We all know that voters (particularly Irish ones) have short memories, but I would be interested to hear if the fine citizens of After Hours would ever consider voting Fianna Fáil again in the future after the antics of the Bertie and Biffo Show, and what it would take to make them do so?

There is no difference between FF's and FG's politics, none, zero, zilch.

It's same ****, different party.

RayM

sherdydan wrote: »

gladly vote for them over the blueshirts!

Hey, the 1930s called. They want their political rhetoric back.

Kojak

charlemont wrote: »

Never did nor ever will as they wont change.. :cool:

Same here - looks like the other crowd (FG and Labour) are going to be just as "popular" with all their brilliant ideas.

Maybe I'll vote Christian Solidarity or Sinn Féin next time.

miju

will again in fairness even FF didnt row back on election promises anywhere near the breakneck speed FG have

RayM

miju wrote: »

will again in fairness even FF didnt row back on election promises anywhere near the breakneck speed FG have

Did they not? I can't say I noticed at the time. I was too busy watching them bankrupt the fucking country.

puppetmaster

orourkeda wrote: »

never have never will

Have to laugh that this poster and the "already did " poster are pretty much identical in the way that they vote. Wont change cause the other crowd are "insert usuall Bull here". Same ideas just supportin a different team. Loyaly.

Liam Byrne

TheZohan wrote: »

There is no difference between FF's and FG's politics, none, zero, zilch.

It's same ****, different party.

Unfortunately seems to be the case alright........and while we're thankfully rid of blatant corruption, that improvement isn't enough.

But count me in the "haven't since O'Malley and never will" grouping - we need rid of corruption and incompetence, and at least we're halfway there.

I actually cut a few acquaintances out of my life because they voted FF earlier this year; they might be happy to live with cronyism and corruption, but I've no desire to hang out with people with that mindset.

Foxhound38

miju wrote: »

will again in fairness even FF didnt row back on election promises anywhere near the breakneck speed FG have

In fairness, I'll take broken election promises over the destruction of my country anyday. I'm giving FG and Labour a bit more leeway than I'm used to giving politicians, seeing as how their current actions are almost entirely directed at the task of attempting to clean up after the royal mess their incompetent and corrupt predecessors put us all in...

StupidLikeAFox

policarp wrote: »

What's the difference?

Track record

squod

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I actually cut a few acquaintances out of my life because they voted FF earlier this year; they might be happy to live with cronyism and corruption, but I've no desire to hang out with people with that mindset.

There's adverts asking people to (rightly) turn in welfare fraudsters. Inform on insurance scammers etc. What comeback has the citizen?

Continue voting against your own self interest people. Let's see where that gets us.

Foxhound38 wrote: »

In fairness, I'll take broken election promises over the destruction of my country anyday. I'm giving FG and Labour a bit more leeway than I'm used to giving politicians, seeing as how their current actions are almost entirely directed at the task of attempting to clean up after the royal mess their incompetent and corrupt predecessors put us all in...

FG are driving FFs getaway car.

Craebear

sherdydan wrote: »

Mary O'Rourke got my first preference last time around!

gladly vote for them over the blueshirts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsnLyHKWtrg

jimmycrackcorm

It depends on how drunk I am at voting time.

pragmatic1

Nope. They're the worst thing to happen to this country since the black and tans. Basically kept us a nation of peasants

TeddyTedson

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Nope. They're the worst thing to happen to this country since the black and tans. Basically kept us a nation of peasants

I agree with you. They have made so many bad decisions and have been so short sighted a transition year class could have ran the country better.

miju

RayM wrote: »

Did they not? I can't say I noticed at the time. I was too busy watching them bankrupt the fucking country.

in fairness FG wouldnt have done any different most governments cant control bubbles

StupidLikeAFox

And what about the two years following the bubble bursting where FF did nothing, lied to the electorate and continued to pull strokes up to the final day?

You may say FG = FF but they really dont. FG at least have an ideology and some set of principles. FFs motto is get into power at all costs and at the expense of anyone. Abuse that power to stay in power for as long as you can.

Im no FG fanboy and they aint perfect, but FF they are not.

Foxhound38

ColHol wrote: »

And what about the two years following the bubble bursting where FF did nothing, lied to the electorate and continued to pull strokes up to the final day?

You may say FG = FF but they really dont. FG at least have an ideology and some set of principles. FFs motto is get into power at all costs and at the expense of anyone. Abuse that power to stay in power for as long as you can.

Im no FG fanboy and they aint perfect, but FF they are not.

And to be fair to FG and Labour (and again, I'm no huge fan of the Blueshirts or the Nouveau Stickies), at the very least they don't have anywhere near the same track record with wanton corruption as FF. I can't see it being necessary to drag Enda or Gilmore in front of a Tribunal in years to come, which is a start at any rate!

thebman

puppetmaster wrote: »

Have to laugh that this poster and the "already did " poster are pretty much identical in the way that they vote. Wont change cause the other crowd are "insert usuall Bull here". Same ideas just supportin a different team. Loyaly.

Your not pulling the strings right so :P

sherdydan wrote: »

Mary O'Rourke got my first preference last time around!

gladly vote for them over the blueshirts!

We should have a levy on people that voted for FF in the last election instead of on pensions :rolleyes:

swordofislam

feelingstressed wrote: »

And I'm not one bit happy of the government dipping into private sector pension funds

Think you mean

feelingstressed wrote: »

And I'm not one bit happy of the government asking me to do anything at all to help the country can't someone else do it?

swordofislam

miju wrote: »

in fairness FG wouldnt have done any different most governments cant control bubbles

Would FG have had the SSIAs?

Biggins

Would I ever vote Fianna Fáil again?

Yes - when hell is proved to exist and it freezes over.

Killer Pigeon

The way I see it. In the next couple of years FG will be viewed by the public the same as FF are now. Similarly, FF will be viewed as angelic as FG seemed during its GE'11 election campaign.

Why? Because the Irish public are generally forgetful.

flash1080

I vote for the best candidates in my constituency, so I will be voting for FF again.

cosanostra

I never have and never will on the basis that FF are in politics for themselves and not the people

Biggins

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The way I see it. In the next couple of years FG will be viewed by the public the same as FF are now.

FG might be viewed in years to come as incompetent or something similar, etc if they make future errors but when it comes to levels of corruption, lies and dodgy characters - no, I don't think (and hope!) they (FF) will ever be matched.

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

...the Irish public are generally forgetful.

True. Lest we forget and learn from history or once again its bound to repeat itself.

Dyr

The irish culchie will crawl back to fianna fail like a battered wife crawls back to her bastard of a husband. Stage one of this process is "sure they're all the same" which is where we're at right now.

humanji

Bambi wrote: »

The irish culchie will crawl back to fianna fail like a battered wife crawls back to her bastard of a husband. Stage one of this process is "sure they're all the same" which is where we're at right now.

There's city folk just as guilty of crawling back to FF as country folk.

Personally, I don't think I could trust anyone in FF who was involved with the previous government. If that lot were ousted and FF could convince me that they're actually going towork for the Irish people, as well as offering up workable plans to better the country, then I'd be willing to give them a chance.

darragh16

If they're offering a credible option and providing a good opposition, then I can't see what not.

Didn't see FG or Lab offering any good alternatives during the boom years and they have quickly reneged on their promises. Can't see any good option in any of the 3 main political parties.

Phill Ewinn

Biggins wrote: »

FG might be viewed in years to come as incompetent or something similar, etc if they make future errors but when it comes to levels of corruption, lies and dodgy characters - no, I don't think (and hope!) they (FF) will ever be matched.


True. Lest we forget and learn from history or once again its bound to repeat itself.

About 5 mins after getting into power they poured a couple billion euro into IL+P. A poxy little bank with massive debts that was realistically worth 200m in the boom. That's not stupidity, or incomopetence. What that is, is a blatent disregard for the people who voted for them. To be so blantant so early on makes me feel sick. Can't stand anyone who voted for these shammers. Just as bad as FF.

Liam Byrne

humanji wrote: »

There's city folk just as guilty of crawling back to FF as country folk.

Precisely! Dublin returned Lenihan, Cork returned Martin & my own former constituency of Limerick inexplicably returned the useless libel-spouting prat with the tash.

SeaFields

No. As long as there is air in my lungs not one of those fcuking treasonous b@stards will get a sniff of my vote.


As an aside keep an eye out for the FF TD that sits next to Mehole Martin with Lenihan isn't there. He makes me laugh everything. Its like they got him straight from an asylum. Jaw open, drooling, spaced out.

Sums up the party's record on the economic disaster really.

Biggins

Sure even for their policies/ideas, they can't be bothered their arse even to turn up in the Dail to support those or their own yesterday - or even the FF man himself that introduced a private members bill!

A LABOUR TD has lashed out at Fianna Fáil for not being able to provide a single TD during discussion on a bill they had themselves brought forward.
Shortly after discussion on the bill began this evening, not one Fianna Fáil TD was present in the Dáil chamber during discussion on the party’s Private Members’ Bill...

See: http://www.thejournal.ie/nobody-home-ff-benches-empty-for-discussion-on-ff-bill-135148-May2011/

...And they expect others to be stupid enough to support them? Laughable!

Mark200

orourkeda wrote: »

Ahhhhhh. The irish voter

Ahhhhhh. The AH poster

flash1080 wrote: »

I vote for the best candidates in my constituency, so I will be voting for FF again.

That's all well and good until you realise that all they do in the Dail is vote the way their party tells them to vote.

sideway

short answer is yes but i think this country has to get away from the ff fg divide , we need a dif. system from here on in ,fg now in power and nothing is really changing or going to change , its all about jobs for the boys , we need a new system and new ideas or we are all f...... . we are corrupt people in a corrupt country and untiill this changes we are heading for disaster .

Gophur

FF need to be eradicated, extinguished, eliminated, for their arrogance, incompetence and their corruption.

It's sad to hear so many saying they would vote for FF, even after what FF have done to this once great Country.

We're down on our knees because of FF, yet some people would still consider supporting them. Incredible!

Zebra3

feelingstressed wrote: »

Noel Coonan is our local FG TD and never was there a more useless TD going. Mr Invisible as they call him

And people wonder why we vote Michael Lowry....
Well at least he works!

Yeah, he works on lining his own pocket. :rolleyes:

Dravokivich

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So the election is over and we now have a sparkling new Government to seperate us from our hard earned cash. We all know that voters (particularly Irish ones) have short memories, but I would be interested to hear if the fine citizens of After Hours would ever consider voting Fianna Fáil again in the future after the antics of the Bertie and Biffo Show, and what it would take to make them do so?

Wait hold on a sec... there was another 1?

TheZohan wrote: »

There is no difference between FF's and FG's politics, none, zero, zilch.

It's same ****, different party.

The problem wasn't the politcs, it was the politicians...

Seloth

You know just over a hundred years ago a black person in the US would have said the same thing about Democrats,as they were the "slave supporting" party,while the republcans were not.

Bit of a length but you get my picture.Stating you'll never vote for a party agan is ridiculous.Especially over time when new people enter etc and with the reforms FF are taking(With even John Bruton commending them for it,and scowling at his for FG part for not doing any).

This idea that the whole of FF is corrupt,being some evil doers in a cave plotting away to get back into power is laughable.

Well lads and lassies,heres an update,The only thing all political partys want to do is get into power!Why you may ask?No not for selfish means but to implement policys that they believe help people.And as for corruption,well every party has it.I'll speak from my own perspective from the youth party groups in my college,The most ignoran and power seeking are in FG,why?Because they think FF has no position o help then.Besidesone person seemingly the FF one has nice genuine people.Then the Socilaists are just whack jobs :pac: