Osama Drama: The Facts

jackiebaron

May 17, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- -- The ever-changing, ever-growing bin Laden story becomes ever more preposterous. The cowardly bin Laden is now the vain bin Laden, the terror mastermind who has nothing to do but to sit and watch videos of himself.

Washington released a video of an alleged bin Laden indulging in self-admiration, but there is no sound. Why? Was the video made without sound? Did Washington delete the audio? The video seems to show the alleged bin Laden speaking to someone in the room. Is the voice not bin Laden’s? Is the alleged bin Laden referring to the image on the screen in the third person, as not himself? Why would bin Laden have a video made of himself watching videos of himself? Why is a video of bin Laden watching bin Laden a headline story? Is it meant to substitute for the absence of a corpse?

As one reader put it, “The government is playing with us, experimenting to see if there is any tall tale we won’t believe.”

The story keeps changing as to whether “bin Laden’s compound,” no longer a million dollar luxury mansion, had Internet and communications or relied on couriers. The latest installment is that bin Laden was online. Washington says that the raid delivered into its hands bin Laden’s emails and diary, which, Washington claims, show an active bin Laden directing his terror network to carry out more plots. If bin Laden was online, why did Obama have to find him by trailing a courier?

Somehow the SEALs grabbed bin Laden’s diary and emails, but left all sorts of other documents that allegedly have fallen into Pakistani hands. These left-behind documents now serve as a pretext for more disputes with Pakistan and another excuse for ignoring Pakistan’s protests about the military operations the US carries out in Pakistan, violating the sovereignty of the country.

Why would the SEALs leave behind so many precious documents? First they kill for no reason the mastermind who could have revealed the world of terror; then they depart, leaving terror records behind. Some will say that this is typical US government incompetence. So how did such an incompetent government find bin Laden?

Any documents left behind were most likely carried in by the SEALs as plants.
Has anyone independent of Washington examined the alleged bin Laden diary and confirmed that it was in bin Laden’s handwriting? These kind of questions are the kind the media, back when we had one, used to ask.

The bin Laden story is now such a fable with so many contradictory bits that people can pick and choose to suit the telling. Time magazine likes it all, except the part about an all-powerful bin Laden, still in control, rejecting an underling’s proposal “to fit a tractor with rotating blades to use to ‘mow down the enemies of Allah.’” Time prefers a bin Laden who was unsettled by his realization that he had lost his “historic significance” prior to losing his life to the US Navy SEALs.

If bin Laden had lost his significance, why did Obama get such a boost in the polls from his claim that he found bin Laden and had him killed?

The American Empire cannot do without bin Laden. The next installment of the fable will be that bin Laden escaped, leaving behind a double, and is abroad carrying out more terror plots.

As the fable continues, try to rescue from the Memory Hole the fact that we were presented with a death without a corpse and that Washington has no explanation for why an unarmed, undefended, frail man, who was a font of terrorist information, was murdered and not captured.








Someone once said to me "PROVE God doesn't exist!"

Di0genes

squod wrote: »

Anyone find out the whens and wheres of this whole thing yet? 1500kms from the coast to the compound he was found in. That's three times the range of the helicopters they used like. Presume they flew the body back over the Afghan border and transferred it to a plane or whatever. Odd story .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60_Black_Hawk

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MH-60L Black Hawk: US Army variant. Special operations modification, used by the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment ("Night Stalkers"), based on the UH-60L with T700-701C engines. It was developed as an interim version in the late 1980s pending fielding of the MH-60K.[72] Equipped with many of the systems used on MH-60K, including FLIR, terrain-following radar, color weather map generator, auxiliary fuel system,[73] and laser rangefinder/designator.[72][74] 37 MH-60Ls were built and some 10 had received a in-flight refueling probe by 2003.

Its amazing people don't check these things.

Di0genes

jackiebaron wrote: »

Somehow the SEALs grabbed bin Laden’s diary and emails, but left all sorts of other documents that allegedly have fallen into Pakistani hands. These left-behind documents now serve as a pretext for more disputes with Pakistan and another excuse for ignoring Pakistan’s protests about the military operations the US carries out in Pakistan, violating the sovereignty of the country.

Because the Seal teams had limited carrying capacity and needed to climb back aboard their helicopter

If bin Laden had lost his significance, why did Obama get such a boost in the polls from his claim that he found bin Laden and had him killed?

That has got to be the freaking....

He's Bin Laden, of course Obama going to get a bump.

The American Empire cannot do without bin Laden. The next installment of the fable will be that bin Laden escaped, leaving behind a double, and is abroad carrying out more terror plots.

And if that doesn't happen?

jackiebaron

Di0genes wrote: »

Because the Seal teams had limited carrying capacity and needed to climb back aboard their helicopter



That has got to be the freaking....

He's Bin Laden, of course Obama going to get a bump.



And if that doesn't happen?

Oh boy!! How the hell do you know? Did you plan the damn operation like Lee Marvin in the Dirty Dozen?

So SEALS can carry crates of weapons into choppers. They can carry bodies from the battlefield into choppers. They can carry crates of food and cases of liquid into a chopper for a mission. And you're telling me they couldn't carry some fcuking manila folders, 3-ring binders or boxes of leaflets. What kind of numbskulls do you think you're addressing here?

Seems also that one of the helicopters crashed and all on board were killed according to EYE-WITNESSES:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28110.htm

The interview is translated from Pashto to English by a native Pashto speaker so the quality of the English is a bit sketchy.

Di0genes

jackiebaron wrote: »

How the hell do you know? Did you plan the damn operation like Lee Marvin in the Dirty Dozen?

It's pretty simple. The seal teams could only carry what could fit on their persons.

They couldn't carry stacks and stacks of documents, and took whatever they deemed most valuable. We're told the operation only took 40 minutes. They couldn't take every scrap of paper in the place now could they?

Seems also that one of the helicopters crashed and all on board were killed according to EYE-WITNESSES:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28110.htm

The interview is translated from Pashto to English by a native Pashto speaker so the quality of the English is a bit sketchy.

Okay, and your point is?

If anything it strengthens the argument that the team needed to pick and choose what they could and could not bring. Limited men, and less helicopters mean they couldn't grab everything in the compound.

How do you suggest the Seal team, collect every scrap of paper in the place?

I don't believe thats true, because why would the US lie about the deaths of their men?

http://www.newser.com/story/118771/how-the-bin-laden-raid-almost-went-horribly-wrong.html

jackiebaron

Di0genes wrote: »

It's pretty simple. The seal teams could only carry what could fit on their persons.

They couldn't carry stacks and stacks of documents, and took whatever they deemed most valuable. We're told the operation only took 40 minutes. They couldn't take every scrap of paper in the place now could they?



Okay, and your point is?

If anything it strengthens the argument that the team needed to pick and choose what they could and could not bring. Limited men, and less helicopters mean they couldn't grab everything in the compound.

How do you suggest the Seal team, collect every scrap of paper in the place?

I don't believe thats true, because why would the US lie about the deaths of their men?

http://www.newser.com/story/118771/how-the-bin-laden-raid-almost-went-horribly-wrong.html

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So as not to look like the incompetent buffoons that they are. Why would they lie about rescuing Jessica Lynch? To make themselves look macho of course. They lie all the time, sparky, and it seems they got no problem getting people like you to believe they constant nonsense.

They lie about everything. Casualties, progress, fcukups (and there are many), morale, intelligence (oxymoron).

squod

Di0genes wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60_Black_Hawk


Its amazing people don't check these things.

With two aux fuel tanks 1700l fuel tanks to make that journey (one way and refuelling in abattobad) there'd be no capacity for it to carry troops like.

Di0genes wrote: »

Because the Seal teams had limited carrying capacity and needed to climb back aboard their helicopter

But then again you knew that right? Also seeing as Pakistan wouldn't have allowed/ didn't report a refuelling plane that's theory two out the window. Any other takers?

namloc1980

squod wrote: »

Anyone find out the whens and wheres of this whole thing yet? 1500kms from the coast to the compound he was found in. That's three times the range of the helicopters they used like. Presume they flew the body back over the Afghan border and transferred it to a plane or whatever. Odd story .

They said they flew the body to Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan from Abbottabad. It is reasonable to assume that they used a carrier capable aircraft to fly it to the USS Carl Vinson in the Arabian Sea.

squod

namloc1980 wrote: »

They said they flew the body to Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan from Abbottabad. It is reasonable to assume that they used a carrier capable aircraft to fly it to the USS Carl Vinson in the Arabian Sea.

Cheers, that's what I was wondering.

Di0genes

squod wrote: »

With two aux fuel tanks 1700l fuel tanks to make that journey (one way and refuelling in abattobad) there'd be no capacity for it to carry troops like.



But then again you knew that right? Also seeing as Pakistan wouldn't have allowed/ didn't report a refuelling plane that's theory two out the window. Any other takers?

I was coming up with plausible alternatives from the available facts.

jackiebaron seems to be finding the most lurid conspiracy theories I was just coming up with plausible explantions.

The seal teams couldn't carry more everything from the compound into the helicopter, and being down a helicopter means they had to have even more weight restrictions with two teams loaded into one helicopter.

Therefore they'd have to limit the amount of papers, drives etc they could take.

It's pretty simply

[QUOTE=jackiebaron] Somehow the SEALs grabbed bin Laden’s diary and emails, but left all sorts of other documents that allegedly have fallen into Pakistani hands. These left-behind documents now serve as a pretext for more disputes with Pakistan and another excuse for ignoring Pakistan’s protests about the military operations the US carries out in Pakistan, violating the sovereignty of the country.
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squod

Di0genes wrote: »

I was coming up with plausible alternatives from the available facts.

Didn't sound plausible to me. Why go on a speedy stealthy mission with a huge big heavy tank stuck to the side of your helicopter unless you were certain to use it.

Di0genes wrote: »

Its amazing people don't check these things.

Having a poke at me also! Jaysus that's great. Pot calling the kettle black. Unsubscribing to the thread. Just not into the petty arguments.

theillest

Chuck Stone wrote: »

His abscence is enough proof.

If you were him and the US said 'We got him' and they were lying how would you embarass Obama?.....

You getting it.... yep - that's right - you'd say


LOL, I'M NOT DEAD,

In a video.

No,if you were a Millionaire,and one of the worlds most wanted you would stay happy living your life of luxury while the world thinks your dead. Why would somebody want to stay on the list of the worlds most wanted terrorists?

Di0genes

theillest wrote: »

No,if you were a Millionaire,and one of the worlds most wanted you would stay happy living your life of luxury while the world thinks your dead. Why would somebody want to stay on the list of the worlds most wanted terrorists?

Obama was already at the top of the World's most wanted list before 9/11 (a fact most of the Conspiracy Theorist world likes to forget) Why would he keep at it?

Because he's a fanatic.

ed2hands

Thats generalising. You're a fanatic if thats the case.

ed2hands

Worlds most wanted list compiled by: CIA. Bin Laden has alleged links with: CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

Obama was already at the top of the World's most wanted list before 9/11 (a fact most of the Conspiracy Theorist world likes to forget) Why would he keep at it?

Because he's a fanatic.

Obama? Yea, am sure he was:pac:. At the the top of Brzezinski, Kissinger and Rockefellers lists as the next false prophet.

"This kid's goood. He's black AND maleable"

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

Obama? Yea, am sure he was:pac:. At the the top of Brzezinski, Kissinger and Rockefellers lists as the next false prophet.

"This kid's goood. He's black AND maleable"

Wow. A simple mistake mixing up two letters.

ed2hands

or a Freudian slip:pac:. Either way it was amusing to me.

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

or a Freudian slip:pac:. Either way it was amusing to me.

How on earth is it Freudian?

Yitzhak Rabin

Di0genes wrote: »

How on earth is it Freudian?

You want to fcuk Obama apparently....

Torakx

ed2hands wrote: »

Obama? Yea, am sure he was:pac:. At the the top of Brzezinski, Kissinger and Rockefellers lists as the next false prophet.

"This kid's goood. He's black AND maleable"

You have to admit it makes for a good terrorist list

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It is claimed that by Obama (a proven liar - CIA murderer Raymond Davis was a "diplomat) that bin Laden was recently murdered by US forces in his compound in Abbotabad, Pakistan.

The burden of proof lies with the US. I have seen nothing that remotely comes close to convincing me that he died in that compound.

To the people who accept this claim what has convinced you?

What is the best case that can be put forward to support his having been killed?

10 whole days so far and nobody has put forward a single scrap of evidence nevermind proof.

ANY TAKERS....................?

digme

Brown Bomber wrote: »

10 whole days so far and nobody has put forward a single scrap of evidence nevermind proof.

ANY TAKERS....................?

how is someone supposed to get proof?

Brown Bomber

digme wrote: »

how is someone supposed to get proof?

I'm not asking anyone to prove it to me but tell me what evidence it was that proved it to themselves.

Proven liar Obama "We got OBL!" >>>>> (Evidence) >>>> OBL dead. Fact.

It's the part in the middle that I am interested in from the people who see Osama's assassination as fact. Yet they dare no speak while simultaneously won't question themselves on the "fact", I find that quite interesting.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

10 whole days so far and nobody has put forward a single scrap of evidence nevermind proof.

ANY TAKERS....................?

still havent seen you put any proof forward that he is alive and well somewhere...

you are the one calling the americans liars, therefore the onus of proof is on you.....

Talk E

I don't think BB was suggesting OBL is still alive.:D

robtri

Talk E wrote: »

I don't think BB was suggesting OBL is still alive.:D

so what is the suggestion?

Talk E

robtri wrote: »

so what is the suggestion?

Going by BB post on another thread his death in 2006 seems credible.

Personally I reckon it was 2001 Tora Bora.

But for this scam to work and for the Americans not to look like complete like the lying f*ucks they are... they have to be 100% sure he's not gonna turn up somewhere. He's long dead.

robtri

Talk E wrote: »

Going by BB post on another thread his death in 2006 seems credible.

Personally I reckon it was 2001 Tora Bora.

But for this scam to work and for the Americans not to look like complete like the lying f*ucks they are... they have to be 100% sure he's not gonna turn up somewhere. He's long dead.

or maybe its not a scam....

Talk E

If ever you find yourself unsure weather the Americans are liars again... Refer back to this post. Keeping that millions of innocent people died as a result of these lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJCPcYCupY