Shameless Communion day

Knight who says Meh

Why does a First Holy Communion day make every small town in Ireland resemble scenes from the bar in Shameless?
Pink shirted skin head Dads half cut roaring " Shaniah!!! get outta the middil of de fookin' road", animal print mini skirted Mammys fighting on the foot path , ethnic minorities hurling abuse at each other from white vans cruising the town. You know the deal.
Can any one offer an explanation?

phasers

Every town has knackers

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galwayrush

You live in a strange area OP/

Micky Dolenz

You wouldn't have an issue with organised religion by any chance would you OP?

I think even the priests don't like some of the antics that go on

hondasam

I assume you are talking about Travellers op. It's one day leave them alone.

gbee

hondasam wrote: »

I assume you are talking about Travellers op. It's one day leave them alone.

One day for EACH cousin, brother, sister ........ !!!!!!!!!!

Zebra3

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Why does a First Holy Communion day make every small town in Ireland resemble scenes from the bar in Shameless?
Pink shirted skin head Dads half cut roaring " Shaniah!!! get outta the middil of de fookin' road", animal print mini skirted Mammys fighting on the foot path , ethnic minorities hurling abuse at each other from white vans cruising the town. You know the deal.
Can any one offer an explanation?

This does not happen where I live.

Luckily there doesn't seem to be many religious extremists where I live who put young kids into dodgy cults.

hondasam

gbee wrote: »

One day for EACH cousin, brother, sister ........ !!!!!!!!!!

only if they are making holy communion as well.

dvpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You wouldn't have an issue with organised religion by any chance would you OP?

Organised religion can be blamed for many things, but the OTT behavior of (the parents of) first holy communicants isn't one of them.

Micky Dolenz

dvpower wrote: »

Organised religion can be blamed for many things, but the OTT behavior of (the parents of) first holy communicants isn't one of them.

True, but I can see things you can't see. Like God :P

The Orb

The explanation is simple, there is a large number of skangers in this country and the communion is only an excuse to go out and get sh1tfaced after which they revert to their primate state.

dvpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

True, but I can see things you can't see. Like God :P

If God was alive today, he'd be turning in His grave.

phasers

hondasam wrote: »

I assume you are talking about Travellers op. It's one day leave them alone.

It's not just travellers, not by a long shot.

I remember on my communion, one girl wore a purple cape and a crown. For serious.

Unfortunately, her fat ugly ma wore a lot less.

Panthro

Personally, I blame the kids, it wasn't like that back in my day I tell ya.

hondasam

phasers wrote: »

It's not just travellers, not by a long shot.

I remember on my communion, one girl wore a purple cape and a crown. For serious.

Unfortunately, her fat ugly ma wore a lot less.

It's just a city and small town thing really. You will not see that at communions in the country churches.

hondasam

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

True, but I can see things you can't see. Like God :P

stop looking in the mirror.

Pauleta

I think its time schools put the foot down and made these things uniform only. The churches also should have Communions on school days, so the kids still go in at 9, make their communion at around 11 and then let them feck off to scab money off relatives.

gbee

hondasam wrote: »

only if they are making holy communion as well.

Obviously, and they do too. When circumstances combine one can have the church full to overflowing.

Otherwise they tend to gather each week. Overheard a girl yesterday [at communion] who has already been to 2 confirmations, will be attending a further five communions this May.

blackwolf

phasers wrote: »

It's not just travellers, not by a long shot.

I remember on my communion, one girl wore a purple cape and a crown. For serious.

Unfortunately, her fat ugly ma wore a lot less.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

hondasam

Pauleta wrote: »

I think its time schools put the foot down and made these things uniform only. The churches also should have Communions on school days, so the kids still go in at 9, make their communion at around 11 and then let them feck off to scab money off relatives.

No communion Dress No way. It's not up to the schools to say what kids wear.

gbee

Pauleta wrote: »

I think its time schools put the foot down and made these things uniform only.

Disgusting. Listen the children spend time enough, TOO much time IMO, in their uniforms already ~ AND, as there is an ongoing septation from the church and schools, this is NOT a time to give schools even MORE power.

Confirmation is already ruined with those godawful gowns, but it's even WORSE in their school uniforms.

People like to dress up and show off ~ I think that's great ~ but it can get a bit OTT ~ but then again we are taking about another culture, it's their choice and they put a lot of effort into it.

im invisible

papagormo wrote: »

Personally, I blame the kids, it wasn't like that back in my day I tell ya.

Damn sexy kids... Wait,, what??

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

hondasam wrote: »

It's just a city and small town thing really. You will not see that at communions in the country churches.

I come from about as rural a place as you can get and I've seen this kinda thing before.

dvpower

Pauleta wrote: »

I think its time schools put the foot down and made these things uniform only. The churches also should have Communions on school days, so the kids still go in at 9, make their communion at around 11 and then let them feck off to scab money off relatives.

And further embed the church into our education system?
No thanks.

hondasam

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I come from about as rural a place as you can get and I've seen this kinda thing before.

what kinda thing you on about ?

Smeggy

dvpower wrote: »

And further embed the church into our education system?
No thanks.

If your child is making their Communion in the first place you are pretty embedded in the Church already no?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

hondasam wrote: »

what kinda thing you on about ?

People wearing ridiculous outfits like the ones described.

gbee

Smeggy wrote: »

If your child is making their Communion in the first place you are pretty embedded in the Church already no?

Ya, funny, but I do get his point as meant.

dvpower

Smeggy wrote: »

If your child is making their Communion in the first place you are pretty embedded in the Church already no?

If someone wants (their child) to make their communion, that's entirely their own personal choice. I can see no good reason why the state education system should be involved in this at all.

Micky Dolenz

dvpower wrote: »

If someone wants (their child) to make their communion, that's entirely their own personal choice. I can see no good reason why the state education system should be involved in this at all.

Probably because without the Catholic Church, our education system would be years behind what it is now.

Witchie

Not at all smeggy. My sons have been baptized, made communion and confirmation ONLY to ensure they can go to the best schools in my small town coz i want the best for them and if it means lying to some poxy man-made cult, so be it.

I have never been to a commuion or confirmation in a pub and have only seen a few so can't really comment.

hondasam

dvpower wrote: »

If someone wants (their child) to make their communion, that's entirely their own personal choice. I can see no good reason why the state education system should be involved in this at all.

who will teach them about Holy communion ?

who's choice is it The parents or the child's ?

dvpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Probably because without the Catholic Church, our education system would be years behind what it is now.

Well that's very debatable, but put aside the fact that the education system is involved in communions and the historical context for their involvement.
The question is should they be involved (and in this case that they should be more involved than they currently are).

There are currently 3 parties that take place in a Communion - the church, the child (and parents) and the school.
There is absolutely no need for the school to be involved at all. We don't have the local GAA club involved in it or the local ballet school or the scouts. Why the school?

gbee

Not satin anythin like!

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

who will teach them about Holy communion ?

The church and the parents, of course.

Micky Dolenz

dvpower wrote: »

Well that's very debatable, but put aside the fact that the education system is involved in communions and the historical context for their involvement.
The question is should they be involved (and in this case that they should be more involved than they currently are).

There are currently 3 parties that take place in a Communion - the church, the child (and parents) and the school.
There is absolutely no need for the school to be involved at all. We don't have the local GAA club involved in it or the local ballet school or the scouts. Why the school?

Because the majority of schools are run by the Catholic church.

hondasam

dvpower wrote: »

The church and the parents, of course.

how is the church going to teach them ? you proposing weekly meetings with the priest ?

parents who's kids make first holy communion are not necessarily religious themselves.

goose2005

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Probably because without the Catholic Church, our education system would be years behind what it is now.

Or years ahead.

dvpower

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Because the majority of schools are run by the Catholic church.

While there is some truth in this (they are the school patrons in most cases), you're just telling me how things are.

What I'm trying to get to is why the schools should be involved in communions, not why they can be.

gbee

hondasam wrote: »

how is the church going to teach them ? you proposing weekly meetings with the priest ? parents who's kids make first holy communion are not necessarily religious themselves.

Pretty much on the ball. Sunday School after mass on a Sunday too. Parents who are not religious should NOT send their children forward.

BTW, I hold the view that no child should be instructed in any religion. That's my own personal view.

But Church and School are separating and the way forward will be by the Priest or volunteer teachers in the School after class or the Church Hall and during Sunday School.

And we need those teachers as ushers in the church on the big day.

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

how is the church going to teach them ? you proposing weekly meetings with the priest ?

Yes. Call me old fashioned, but if a child is preparing for first holy communion, they might benefit from some preperation from the organisation that they are getting themselves into.

How do you think the non catholic kids attending primary schools in Ireland get prepared for their religious milestones?

hondasam

gbee wrote: »

Pretty much on the ball. Sunday School after mass on a Sunday too. Parents who are not religious should NOT send their children forward.

BTW, I hold the view that no child should be instructed in any religion. That's my own personal view.

But Church and School are separating and the way forward will be by the Priest or volunteer teachers in the School after class or the Church Hall and during Sunday School.

And we need those teachers as ushers in the church on the big day.

It's not fair to punish the child because of their parents view on religion.

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

It's not fair to punish the child because of their parents view on religion.

I can't even begin to imagine what you mean.

gbee

hondasam wrote: »

It's not fair to punish the child because of their parents view on religion.

What punish?

I think if one is NOT religious then one is punishing one's child to be something oneself is not.

hondasam

dvpower wrote: »

I can't even begin to imagine what you mean.

are you saying parents have to be religious for their children to make holy communion ?

what if the child want's it but the parents don't ?

hondasam

gbee wrote: »

What punish?

I think if one is NOT religious then one is punishing one's child to be something oneself is not.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

ICE HOUSE

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Pink shirted skin head Dads

Follically challanged men wearing pink shirts.I dont see the problem tbh.

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

are you saying parents have to be religious for their children to make holy communion ?

Not necessarity. But I find it hard to imagine an 8 year old kid making any kind of informed decision on their own in the first place.

I'd say it would usually be best for a child in this position to hold off until they were older - I'd have to suspect that the only reason they would have for making their communion is for the day out and the attention and the cash.

NomdePlume

hondasam wrote: »

are you saying parents have to be religious for their children to make holy communion ?

what if the child want's it but the parents don't ?

Surely yes, the parents have to be religious.
If they weren't, they wouldn't have had their child baptised into the Church.

gbee

hondasam.

Find and read the story of 'Little Nelly of Holy God'

It goes part way to furthering your question as regards the child's ascendancy to First Holy Communion. Prior to 'Little Nelly of Holy God' children could not go for First Holy communion before the age of 12 years of age and pass an examination by the BISHOP of both the child and the parents.

It's a good story.