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People are making a lot of money out of conspiracy theories

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    #32
    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    All that it shows is that big+pharm and vitamins companies are one and the same

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2001/nov/21/personalfinancenews.europeanunion.

    All that is required now is evidence linking these companies with CT sites.

    Surely there is a smoking gun somewhere.

    Glazers Out!



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    #33
    David Matthew
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    Perhaps every budding conspiracy theorist (of a dishonest disposition) dreams of reaching the lucrative heights of Scientology... $$$! Perhaps Icke and co. will get there yet. ;)


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    #34
    Brown Bomber
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    All that it shows is that big+pharm and vitamins companies are one and the same

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2001/nov/21/personalfinancenews.europeanunion.

    Well no. All that link shows is that the big-pharma monsters were illegally trying to corner the market and crush all the little guys.

    Y'know you don't have to be right all the time. Sometimes it's just better to hold your hand up and admit you dropped the ball.


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    #35
    Di0genes
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Well no. All that link shows is that the big-pharma monsters were illegally trying to corner the market and crush all the little guys.

    Y'know you don't have to be right all the time. Sometimes it's just better to hold your hand up and admit you dropped the ball.

    No. Why do both Alex Jones, and Glen Beck pimp gold schemes like midas and goldline.

    I've merely pointed out that vitamins are a incredibly lucrative business worth billions, and suggesting that vitamin pill advertising isn't worth much isn't true.


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    #36
    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    No. Why do both Alex Jones, and Glen Beck pimp gold schemes like midas and goldline.

    I've merely pointed out that vitamins are a incredibly lucrative business worth billions, and suggesting that vitamin pill advertising isn't worth much isn't true.

    Nor is it true to say that big company's like Roche are adverising on CT sites.
    Perhaps the vitamin and health supliment business is more profitable where big comanies are backing it?

    Glazers Out!



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    #37
    Di0genes
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    nullzero wrote: »
    Nor is it true to say that big company's like Roche are adverising on CT sites.
    Perhaps the vitamin and health supliment business is more profitable where big comanies are backing it?

    No not in the slightest.

    You need to only examine the mark up between generic brands multivitamins and branded mulitvitamins.

    I'm not saying Icke makes most of his money from adverts by the way. His talks are insanely expensive, and must be extremely profitable.

    Jones makes up for in volume, the quantity of ad breaks on his show is massive, and the degree of banner ads on his website puts something like NBC to shame.


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    #38
    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    No not in the slightest.

    You need to only examine the mark up between generic brands multivitamins and branded mulitvitamins.

    I'm not saying Icke makes most of his money from adverts by the way. His talks are insanely expensive, and must be extremely profitable.

    Jones makes up for in volume, the quantity of ad breaks on his show is massive, and the degree of banner ads on his website puts something like NBC to shame.

    It is to be assumed that what those two individuals do is quite finacially demanding.
    Unless they were winners of the Euromillions they would need to have money coming in somehow to keep their operations running.

    It's interesting to see how quickly you backtrack once you realise that the "evidence" you provided was serving to prove the point being made by "the other side".

    Glazers Out!



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    #39
    Di0genes
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    nullzero wrote: »
    It is to be assumed that what those two individuals do is quite finacially demanding.

    How is a radio show or lectures financially demanding ?

    Alex Jones runs a “money bomb” campaign were he begs for money for his show, asking for fans to give him cash for equipment.

    He’s like some chartlan tv evangelist.
    The title of this thread is people are making a lot of money from conspiracy theories.

    Really?

    You said
    Natural remedies that sort of stuff.
    I'm not sure how much money this flagrant commercialism is making David Icke but judging by the fact that these ads I'm seeing are promoting what I'm asuming from having looked at the links, are small companies or other CT heads trying to promote thier own material, I'd be surprised if it was a lot.

    If the David Icke forum was sponsored by Coca Cola or Mc Donalds

    I’ve shown that natural remedies and health food is a massive billion dollar industry, exactly like coca cola or mc donalds.

    Unless they were winners of the Euromillions they would need to have money coming in somehow to keep their operations running.
    It's interesting to see how quickly you backtrack once you realise that the "evidence" you provided was serving to prove the point being made by "the other side".
    It seems like you're really reaching to make a point here


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    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    How is a radio show or lectures financially demanding ?

    Alex Jones runs a “money bomb” campaign were he begs for money for his show, asking for fans to give him cash for equipment.

    He’s like some chartlan tv evangelist.
    The title of this thread is people are making a lot of money from conspiracy theories.

    Really?

    You said



    I’ve shown that natural remedies and health food is a massive billion dollar industry, exactly like coca cola or mc donalds.




    It seems like you're really reaching to make a point here


    I'm reaching to make a point?
    You said you could link the companies advertising on CT sites with big money. You provided information based on a major company that doesnt advertise on CT sites.
    All you proved is that major corporations are not always trustworthy.

    Essentially your "evidence" was useless.
    Everyone knows suppliments and vitamins are part of a huge industry. Everyone also knows that big corporations are in on the racket, you shed no light on anything that wasn't basking in plain sight already.

    Alex Jones can ask all he wants for money, it's up to the people listening to send it to him.
    I'm not defending or condemning him for doing this.
    You could say he's making big money and spending it on all sorts of lavish stuff, or he could also be putting the money back into his CT operation.

    To operate a radio station you would (I assume) have all sorts of overheads, premises to broadcast from, I'm assuming the like of Alex Jones would have to pay for time on air, which would include your use of broadcasting equipment etc...

    Lecture tours would involve the logistics of getting to all the different locations, the cost of the audotorium you're using to lecture etc etc.

    I'm not saying these people aren't making money, I'd just stop short of hurling abuse at them for doing so, or using that fact as a method of invalidating what thewy say right off the bat.

    Glazers Out!



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    #41
    jackiebaron
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    People are making a lot of money out of conspiracy theories: discuss. :)

    The Catholic Church are making billions out of telling people they will go to a place called Heaven if they toe the line and that they will go to a pit of fire if they don't.


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    #42
    Brown Bomber
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    Diogenes this is getting ridiculous. I could start a tiny cola manufacturing company in my garden shed and then advertise on Icke. By your logic Icke would then have advertisers that are involved in a billion dollar industry.

    What is it you are trying to get at?


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    #43
    jackiebaron
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    Di0genes wrote: »


    I’ve shown that natural remedies and health food is a massive billion dollar industry, exactly like coca cola or mc donalds.

    How exactly is natural remedies a massive billion dollar industry. If you're constipated and your sh!t is tearing your asshole open, lay off the steak for 3 days and eat brocolli and cabbage and maybe turnips with your dinner instead of shelling out $20 for some damn laxative. Got a cold or flu? Drink fruit juice , chicken broth and raw garlic. Again cheaper than shoving pills down your throat and more effective.
    These are natural remedies. Got a toothache? Suck on a clove instead of guzzling Advil.....although ultimately you'll need the dentist.

    Maybe there are people out there fobbing off natural remedies, slapping a label on the bottle and charging people a fortune. After all people in the States will pay for real-estate on the moon. But they are just scammers. There are natural remedies for most day to day maladies and they don't involve buying medicines. The cures for most illnesses come from herbs. Avocado is as good for curing eczema as any topic or cream. Cranberries are excellent at preventing Crohn's Disease.
    You don't need to spend a dime just get a book that classifies what foods have what properties and then go buy the groceries.


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    #44
    nullzero
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Diogenes this is getting ridiculous. I could start a tiny cola manufacturing company in my garden shed and then advertise on Icke. By your logic Icke would then have advertisers that are involved in a billion dollar industry.

    What is it you are trying to get at?

    I think he's just sore because he fvcked up.
    It can happen to the best of us.
    It's a pity Diogenes can't just admit a simple error, we can all empathise with that, it's not always a battle to the death on the CT forum.

    Glazers Out!



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    #45
    Di0genes
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    Maybe there are people out there fobbing off natural remedies, slapping a label on the bottle and charging people a fortune

    Thats pretty much what the guys who advertise on Icke's site do.




    You don't need to spend a dime just get a book that classifies what foods have what properties and then go buy the groceries.

    cheap book.


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    #46
    Di0genes
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    nullzero wrote: »
    I think he's just sore because he fvcked up.
    It can happen to the best of us.
    It's a pity Diogenes can't just admit a simple error, we can all empathise with that, it's not always a battle to the death on the CT forum.

    Wow.


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    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Wow.

    If I am incorrect please do correct me.
    Just called it as I saw it.
    Hope I didn't cause any offence.

    Glazers Out!



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    #48
    Di0genes
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    nullzero wrote: »
    If I am incorrect please do correct me.
    Just called it as I saw it.
    Hope I didn't cause any offence.

    You stated that natural remedies weren't a big business like nike or Mc Donalds.

    I showed you that vitamins and alternative medicine are a big business.


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    nullzero
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    You stated that natural remedies weren't a big business like nike or Mc Donalds.

    I showed you that vitamins and alternative medicine are a big business.

    I didn't say that.
    I said that the companies advertising on CT sites (the ones I had looked at anyway) were small companies.
    You didn't show me anything I didn't already know, but thanks for your efforts.

    Glazers Out!



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    #50
    uprising2
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/rochefine.html



    The Vitamin industry is worth billions and they spend as much if not more than pharmaceutical industries.

    Do you know who F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd are?

    Here's a clue,

    roche-logo.gif

    They are not a vitamin or healthfood company, they are a world leader in the big pharma game.

    http://www.roche.com/about_roche/roche_worldwide.htm

    They just saw an opening for more money, kinda a big scale turf war, taking the enemies gains.

    I don't know if this has been brought to your attention because I havent read the whole thread, just when I saw what you quoted about the billion $$$ vitamin industry and price fixing then give one of the biggest names out there in big pharma land as an example it doesn't do your case much good.

    And for the record I've swallowed numerous pills with that logo on them, "A hand full of sedatives won't pass legislation" Barry Maguire.;)



    EDIT:

    Reading back I've noticed it has been noticed, as Bomber says it's the big fish eating up the small fish.


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    #51
    Monty Burnz
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    uprising2 wrote: »
    Reading back I've noticed it has been noticed, as Bomber says it's the big fish eating up the small fish.
    That's capitalism I guess - the guys who can do the job most efficiently will win. I'd much rather buy an identical product for less money.


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    #52
    autonomy
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    How much money do RTE make spouting the real conspiracy theories, fairplay to any radio talk show like Alex Jones and Corbett report, or even good news channels like Russia Today for informing people on genuine issues


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    #53
    studiorat
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    autonomy wrote: »
    How much money do RTE make spouting the real conspiracy theories,

    eh, none.


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    #54
    Di0genes
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    autonomy wrote: »
    How much money do RTE make spouting the real conspiracy theories, fairplay to any radio talk show like Alex Jones and Corbett report, or even good news channels like Russia Today for informing people on genuine issues

    Russia Today is a funded by the Kremlin. Would you trust a TV Station funded by the United States government?


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    #55
    Brown Bomber
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Russia Today is a funded by the Kremlin. Would you trust a TV Station funded by the United States government?

    who funds the BBC?


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    #56
    autonomy
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    Di0genes wrote: »
    Russia Today is a funded by the Kremlin. Would you trust a TV Station funded by the United States government?

    No I certainly wouldn't! I prefer to listen to independent journalists in all honesty, don't watch RT much at all because I know they can be biased towards America just like Fox are towards Russia and China!


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    #57
    autonomy
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    who funds the BBC?
    The Big Brother Corporation receives large grants from the EU


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    #58
    Monty Burnz
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    who funds the BBC?
    The British taxpayer. It's independent of the government, as far as I'm aware? The BBC has a slight leftish leaning - it will be interesting to see if it can keep it up under a right-ish government. I bet it can.


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    Monty Burnz
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    autonomy wrote: »
    The Big Brother Corporation receives large grants from the EU
    Can you provide any evidence of that? Large in relation to its overall income from TV licences etc.?


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    autonomy
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Can you provide any evidence of that? Large in relation to its overall income from TV licences etc.?

    http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article3257748.ece

    It receives large (millions) loans and grants, and the BBC refused to say what rates the EU-backed EIB was charging on the loans


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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    People are making a lot of money out of conspiracy theories: discuss. :)

    Of course they are monty, there doesn't need to be a discussion, people will always make a few bucks on others naieveness, as is happening now outside the ct forums, it's all around brother, in life!


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