Obama WILL NOT RELEASE PHOTOS of bin laden

jimmynokia

obama has decided not to release photos
so where does this leave the world?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video---Osama-Bin-Laden-Bin-Laden-Corpse-Pictures-Will-Not-Be-Released-By-Obama-Says-US-Network/Article/201105115985368?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15985368_Video_-_Osama_Bin_Laden%3A_Bin_Laden_Corpse_Pictures_Will_Not_Be_Released_By_Obama%2C_Says_US_Network

chin_grin

Well, for the free thinkers, it'll confirm our suspicions that the whole thing was b*llocks.

Lcronin2011

Not that i want to see the pictures coz i think it would be really disgusting, but i do think they are opening themselves up to alot of critism now that they aren't revealing the pictures. Now nobody will believe them, they have lied about so many other stuff before so why wouldn't they lie about this too?

windsurfer99ie

chin_grin wrote: »

Well, for the free thinkers, it'll confirm our suspicions that the whole thing was b*llocks.

So, if they did produce pictures, you would accept them as evidence of his demise ?

Some people will refuse to accept Bin Laden's death whatever evidence is produced - such people are not "free thinkers".

mink_man

What would stop Osama coming out with a video saying he isn't dead? He's surely dead? Isn't he?

jimmynokia

more news
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20059739-503544.html


Obama is a coward

dragun

How can anyone expect to see pics when hes been dead since the attacks took place on the twin towers the whole thing is typical american style cover it up and if it comes back to get you make up something up sure of course obama wants to look good his publicity rating is through the floor
and needless to say al queda will release tapes and pics of osama alive and well sometime down the line its a war of dis information we're back to cold war standards god what next they'll be saying they found et alive and well with elvis in tow lol

Monty Burnz

mink_man wrote: »

What would stop Osama coming out with a video saying he isn't dead?

Nothing.

And why would his daughter be saying that she saw him killed?

axer

dragun wrote: »

How can anyone expect to see pics when hes been dead since the attacks took place on the twin towers the whole thing is typical american style cover it up and if it comes back to get you make up something up sure of course obama wants to look good his publicity rating is through the floor
and needless to say al queda will release tapes and pics of osama alive and well sometime down the line its a war of dis information we're back to cold war standards god what next they'll be saying they found et alive and well with elvis in tow lol

Maybe they are taking the route that if al queda release something claiming he is alive then the US will then show the pics. Either was pics or not don't matter since conspiracy theorists won't believe what they see anyway and it doesn't matter much to the rest since surely if he is not dead he will make a "ha ha i'm still here stupid americans, i kill you, i kill you" video.

johndoe99

now what I'd love to see is the actual live feed video of the operation by the special forces that Obama was watching. Hopefully someone somewhere will leak a copy.

barone

at this stage they can do/say whatever because people will only believe what they want..

as with 9/11 ,all i ever wanted was to see the evidence that osama or whoever was behind it..

still waiting .......

iraq...still waiting....

etc

Monty Burnz

axer wrote: »

surely if he is not dead he will make a "ha ha i'm still here stupid americans, i kill you, i kill you" video.

It would actually be quite amusing, as he tries to work in topical references to prove he wasn't nobbled:

"So, what about that recent sporting event, huh? Hell of a game. Helluva game. And the weather - woah, don't start me on the weather. Well, as you can see, I'm clearly still alive. I weeeeel keeeeeeel you!'

Monty Burnz

barone wrote: »

iraq...still waiting....

You'll be waiting a long time for that one. Bush and co. invaded Iraq for their own reasons.

Im Only 71Kg

maybe they're trying to provoke him into making an appearance somewhere! sounds as though they dont actually know whether he's alive or dead...or where he is for that matter..

saps.

steve9859

The idea that he is not dead is just ridiculous. I am not sure how anyone can actually believe that any administration would take the risk of telling an outright lie and then Bin Laden appearing a month later holding a copy of the New York Times!!!

And if you believe he is still alive then you wouldnt believe the photos anyway.

So absolutely nothing to gain by releasing photos, and everything to lose through inciting more violence from the extremist muslim community

jimmynokia

Imagine been the holder of the tape or the photos
would you be tempted to leak them/or sell them,you would be an instant millionaire.:D
they will be eventually leaked i reckon.

bbam

Surely it's not a hoax..

For a hoax, why risk the likely deadly retribution that will happen round the world.

If the photos are released people will just say they are staged and still believe what they want..

If he were alive surely he'd appear in a video with absolute proof he was still alive.. just to stick it to the Infidels :rolleyes:

Again, why would his wife and daughter say he was killed if he wasn't... doubt they'd be in on the hoax..

I'd say he's a gonner surely, the burial at sea is the iffy bit to me, I reckon he's on storage in Area 59 or some such hideaway..

barone

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You'll be waiting a long time for that one. Bush and co. invaded Iraq for their own reasons.

unfortunatley correct...
as with afganistan,gadaffiland...egypt next maybe?

wonder why they dont invade the countries with no natural resources or oil, whos dictators are slaughtering them,to protect innocent civillians..

im actually angry at myself for not being aware of it years ago,they crap we are fed,

johndoe99

I see Obama is still going to give billions to Pakistan after this, why?, they've probably discovered oil there.

Mr.Crinklewood

..must have lost his copy of Photoshop.

Jeboa Safari

johndoe99 wrote: »

I see Obama is still going to give billions to Pakistan after this, why?, they've probably discovered oil there.

I remember being shocked at first when I heard the amount of aid Pakistan gets from the US and Britain, think India gets a good amount too. But the alternative is the population becoming even more radical if they were more destitute. The west missed a good opportunity during the Pakistan floods and earthquake to distribute aid and try and win hearts and minds, instead letting fundamentalist groups fill the void. It has to be said, there is something not quiet right about a country that pours its money into nuclear research receiving billions in aid every year.

Regarding the pictures, I think they'll be released in time, or leaked. Less likely to cause trouble in the Islamic world after some time has passed.

Im Only 71Kg

you cant release what you dont have.

Brown Bomber

mink_man wrote: »

What would stop Osama coming out with a video saying he isn't dead? He's surely dead? Isn't he?

Well if you were top of the FBI's most wanted list having to spend your recreational time swinging on monkey bars in the desert travelling from cave to cave and all of a sudden people claim your dead and that they won't be looking for you would you post a video to youtube telling everyone you are alive?

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

It has to be said, there is something not quiet right about a country that pours its money into nuclear research receiving billions in aid every year.

Israel?

Monty Burnz

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well if you were top of the FBI's most wanted list having to spend your recreational time swinging on monkey bars in the desert travelling from cave to cave and all of a sudden people claim your dead and that they won't be looking for you would you post a video to youtube telling everyone you are alive?

If I was a religious nutter, convinced I would be assured a place in Paradise, and determined to damage the US in any way possible - I definitely would*. Can you imagine the blow it would be to the US population, and their faith in their government?

*I'm not though.

namloc1980

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well if you were top of the FBI's most wanted list having to spend your recreational time swinging on monkey bars in the desert travelling from cave to cave and all of a sudden people claim your dead and that they won't be looking for you would you post a video to youtube telling everyone you are alive?

Honestly, Bin Laden is dead. Otherwise the Obama Government is playing a ridiculously high stakes game. However given the lack of evidence put forward questions and scepticism is valid.

DoesNotCompute

bbam wrote: »

Surely it's not a hoax..

For a hoax, why risk the likely deadly retribution that will happen round the world.

If the photos are released people will just say they are staged and still believe what they want..

If he were alive surely he'd appear in a video with absolute proof he was still alive.. just to stick it to the Infidels :rolleyes:

Again, why would his wife and daughter say he was killed if he wasn't... doubt they'd be in on the hoax..

I'd say he's a gonner surely, the burial at sea is the iffy bit to me, I reckon he's on storage in Area 59 or some such hideaway..

How about this (might be stretching it a bit):

Maybe the guy the Americans "whacked" the other day was an imposter (one of Osama's body doubles, who even had the wool pulled over the real Osama's wife's and children's eyes), and the *real* Osama is still out there? The Americans haven't released any biometric or DNA evidence. All we have is their word. Which, to be frank, isn't much really, considering their history of lies and deceipt.

Di0genes

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

How about this (might be stretching it a bit):

Maybe the guy the Americans "whacked" the other day was an imposter (one of Osama's body doubles, who even had the wool pulled over the real Osama's wife's and children's eyes), and the *real* Osama is still out there? The Americans haven't released any biometric or DNA evidence. All we have is their word. Which, to be frank, isn't much really, considering their history of lies and deceipt.

And who could verify the DNA evidence?

Jeboa Safari

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Israel?

Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying while its citizens live in poverty. Ireland at least doesn't appear to give to either country, but Britain gives a sizeable amount to Pakistan.

Dave!

I read in one news report that a Republican congressman was allowed to see the picture/s, anyone confirm that?

Obama should allow the Senate and House minority and majority leaders see the pictures at the very least.

steelcityblues

Transparency is not important of course!

StupidLikeAFox

There is no point in releasing photos. It wont solve any problem. It may satisfy a small minority but no matter what they release there will still be a significant amount of people who will suggest that they were easily faked, it was a double etc.

Obama is never gonna convince his critics that he is actually dead so why release the photo. The fact will be proven in the long run by his non appearance either way so he really has nothing to gain or to lose by not publishing them

WakeUp

Ok I dont know if these photos have already been posted I just seen them 10 mins ago myself havent had a chance to look through the other threads. Allegedly Reuteurs got hold of these from an undisclosed source in the Pakistani Security Services. They are said to be from inside the compound the first ones Ive seen, if indeed genuine, but Bin Laden himself is not in them I don’t know who these people are, from what I can see they all took a bullet to the back of the head. There is something very strange about all of this these photos really don’t prove anything apparently some main stream media have already published them then pull these photos from circulation. Eventually they might have to relase some photos of him (Bin Laden),if they have them or people will just continue to question rightly or wrongly the official position.

WARNING THESE PHOTOS ARE GRUESOME & GRAPHIC
http://www.infowars.com/purported-bin-laden-raid-kill-photos-released/

K-9

windsurfer99ie wrote: »

So, if they did produce pictures, you would accept them as evidence of his demise ?

Some people will refuse to accept Bin Laden's death whatever evidence is produced - such people are not "free thinkers".

Or else you'll get the "sure he was dead anyway" line.

I can see why they wouldn't be released, pretty gruesome and could add more hatred to an already volatile situation, I think bit like the birth cert, they'll be leaked at a time that suits them.

pulpfictionost

i caught muamar gadafi yesterday night, yea.
I sh0t him in the face while he was unarmed,
Then I threw him in the sea.

You are just going to have to take my word for it

jill_valentine

Obama's right not to release the photos. If the Birther farce proved nothing, it's that you absolutely cannot satisfy nutjobs. All it would achieve is to heap another embarrassing act of triumphalism on the scenes we saw from the crowd outside the White House and near Ground Zero.

fee fi fo fum

WakeUp wrote: »

Ok I dont know if these photos have already been posted I just seen them 10 mins ago myself havent had a chance to look through the other threads. Allegedly Reuteurs got hold of these from an undisclosed source in the Pakistani Security Services. They are said to be from inside the compound the first ones Ive seen, if indeed genuine, but Bin Laden himself is not in them I don’t know who these people are, from what I can see they all took a bullet to the back of the head. There is something very strange about all of this these photos really don’t prove anything apparently some main stream media have already published them then pull these photos from circulation. Eventually they might have to relase some photos of him (Bin Laden),if they have them or people will just continue to question rightly or wrongly the official position.

WARNING THESE PHOTOS ARE GRUESOME & GRAPHIC
http://www.infowars.com/purported-bin-laden-raid-kill-photos-released/

My point would be why care so little about leaving this gruesome mess on show behind and be evasive about showing a washed body wrapped in a white sheet before its lowered into the sea.

So did they take him injured and alive is what i myself wonder now?

Nobody is going to go looking for a dead man.

Brown Bomber

K-9 wrote: »

I can see why they wouldn't be released, pretty gruesome and could add more hatred to an already volatile situation,

How exactly?

I'm not trying to be dismissive but do you honestly think there are Islamic militants/terrorists somewhere who would react to seeing pictures of his corpse in the papers but not to his actual murder?

Brown Bomber

WakeUp wrote: »

WARNING THESE PHOTOS ARE GRUESOME & GRAPHIC
http://www.infowars.com/purported-bin-laden-raid-kill-photos-released/

I assume they are also Muslims. Were they flung into the sea within 24 hours too?

Brown Bomber

ColHol wrote: »

There is no point in releasing photos. It wont solve any problem. It may satisfy a small minority but no matter what they release there will still be a significant amount of people who will suggest that they were easily faked, it was a double etc.

Obama is never gonna convince his critics that he is actually dead so why release the photo. The fact will be proven in the long run by his non appearance either way so he really has nothing to gain or to lose by not publishing them

This has nothing to do with being a critic of Obama and everything to do with there being a very large question mark over the faith of the most wanted terrorist in the entire world.

Turn it around and pretend Obama is actually on trial for organising the murder of bin Laden. If you were in the jury based on the little evidence we have thus far could actually opt for a guilty verdict beyond reasonable doubt? Without even a body or any form of proof of death?

Wetbench4

WakeUp wrote: »

Ok I dont know if these photos have already been posted I just seen them 10 mins ago myself havent had a chance to look through the other threads. Allegedly Reuteurs got hold of these from an undisclosed source in the Pakistani Security Services. They are said to be from inside the compound the first ones Ive seen, if indeed genuine, but Bin Laden himself is not in them I don’t know who these people are, from what I can see they all took a bullet to the back of the head. There is something very strange about all of this these photos really don’t prove anything apparently some main stream media have already published them then pull these photos from circulation. Eventually they might have to relase some photos of him (Bin Laden),if they have them or people will just continue to question rightly or wrongly the official position.

WARNING THESE PHOTOS ARE GRUESOME & GRAPHIC
http://www.infowars.com/purported-bin-laden-raid-kill-photos-released/

Is that the Tail section of a weird looking chopper in one of the pics?

K-9

Brown Bomber wrote: »

How exactly?

I'm not trying to be dismissive but do you honestly think there are Islamic militants/terrorists somewhere who would react to seeing pictures of his corpse in the papers but not to his actual murder?

Something that will be on public record and probably published in papers all over the world? I know what you are saying but it's hardly beneficial?

Tbh, I don't see the need, some will never believe it anyway, or as was seen the other day, it could be a fake anyway. Ties in with an insatiable need for information and pictures, bit like the Jon Venables case where even people in Ireland want to see his picture!

jill_valentine

1) Tail section of the chopper is weird, yes - some have speculated it has previously unpublicised stealth modifications.

2) The pictures of the other casualties at the compound were obtained by Reuters from Pakistani locals, rather than officially released by American channels.

Monty Burnz

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I assume they are also Muslims. Were they flung into the sea within 24 hours too?

These bodies were left behind for the local authorities to deal with, and the locals obviously let photographers in to have a look. The only body they took was OBL, presumably so they could confirm ID and dispose of it in a manner of their own choosing.

Yitzhak Rabin

WakeUp wrote: »

from what I can see they all took a bullet to the back of the head.

It doesn't look like they were shot in the back of the head. That wound over the chin of the first guy looks like it could be entry wound, with the exit wound at the back of the head making that mess.

Also, is it a bit weird that they don't have the typical Wahhabist beards? Maybe it was part of their keeping a low profile? But a big beard hardly stands out in Pakistan either though?

sellerbarry

johndoe99 wrote: »

now what I'd love to see is the actual live feed video of the operation by the special forces that Obama was watching. Hopefully someone somewhere will leak a copy.

That was the superbowl they were watching, not a seal operation.;)

ArmaniJeanss

Brown Bomber wrote: »

everything to do with there being a very large question mark over the faith of the most wanted terrorist in the entire world.

He was definitely Muslim, didn't think that was open to debate.

WakeUp

fee fi fo fum wrote: »

My point would be why care so little about leaving this gruesome mess on show behind and be evasive about showing a washed body wrapped in a white sheet before its lowered into the sea.

So did they take him injured and alive is what i myself wonder now?

Nobody is going to go looking for a dead man.

That’s a fair point I would agree with that too, its not like people haven’t seen pictures like that before violence and gore is pretty much a daily occurrence on TV in films stuff like that I’m sure the majority of people while not enjoying looking at a picture of Bin Laden’s head blown apart would be able to handle it nonetheless. I honestly don’t know if they took him alive or not but you do wonder about that alright as you said nobody will go looking for a dead man.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I assume they are also Muslims. Were they flung into the sea within 24 hours too?

They probably are Muslims alright but can’t say for certain if I had to say yes or no though I would say yes.

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Is that the Tail section of a weird looking chopper in one of the pics?

The chopper is apparently some sort of new stealth Blackhawk helicopter that nobody has seen before. Id say the US are kinda freaked out behind the scenes that they lost part of the tail end which is now in the hands of Pakistan who have really close ties with the Chinese. The Chinese are trying to develop stealth technology themselves. I think the chopper is a big part of the story myself.



The US say Bin laden’s body was flown to the USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian Sea and then buried at sea. Even taking the deteour into account to Afghanistan en route it is still a massive distance. Abbottabad is 40 km north of Islamabad. The distance between Islamabad and the Arabian Sea is 2180km so 2220km in total. The distance from Afghanistans southern border to the Arabian sea is some 300 hundred miles.

The UH60 Blackhawk combat radius with external fuel tanks attached is 450km-base-target-back to base. The distance is further at minimum capacity (ferry range) maximum fuel/ minimum equipment. The chopper was on a mission so was obviously in combat mode. There is also the fact that one of the choppers was lost during the mission so the one remaining helicopter would have been carrying extra weight. So unless this new stealth Blackhawk uses some sort of new type of fuel we don’t know off or has developed a seriously advanced new system for carrying it would have taken some effort to get the body from Pakistan to the Arabian sea. That’s why I think the chopper is a big part of the story.

yekahS wrote: »

It doesn't look like they were shot in the back of the head. That wound over the chin of the first guy looks like it could be entry wound, with the exit wound at the back of the head making that mess.

Also, is it a bit weird that they don't have the typical Wahhabist beards? Maybe it was part of their keeping a low profile? But a big beard hardly stands out in Pakistan either though?

I had another look at the photos that is possible too alright that he was shot in the chin but they could have been shot in the back of the head too suppose both could be possible couldn’t they. To be honest I don’t what a typical Wahhabist beard looks like is it longer? Would their type of beards stand out so. You would imagine they would be trying to keep a low profile but that compound was mysterious in its own way I wonder how often they left the place maybe they went out at night time to do whatever they needed to do when it was dark and less attention would be drawn to them.

Means Of Escape

One of those seals is gonna get his nuts cracked for poppin him in the eye
don't believe for one second that he reached for a weapon guy could hardly walk.
Believe he was quite insignificant at this stage as there are probably wilder and harder young bucks running the show and have been for the past five years.
Can't see it making a whit of a difference really
the middle east is a total mess

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

So unless this new stealth Blackhawk uses some sort of new type of fuel we don’t know off or has developed a seriously advanced new system for carrying it would have taken some effort to get the body from Pakistan to the Arabian sea. That’s why I think the chopper is a big part of the story.

Most likely they just flew back to Afghanistan or the nearest point where the body and some/all of the team could be transferred onto a Hercules or somesuch. There's no way they could have flown back in the helicopters without refuelling repeatedly, and what's the cruising speed of a Blackhawk? A third of that of a Hercules? It would have taken them ages too.

DoesNotCompute

I'm probably stating the obvious here, but this whole fiasco is probably going to be remembered as one of those moment in history like the Kennedy assassination, the moon landings, Roswell, etc, where everyone will have their own version of events, their own theory, and we will probably never know what really went down.