Osama taken out of the freezer as a pretext for Pak attack

Brown Bomber

Yahew wrote: »

Good plan. It beats a western city going nuclear, although it should be invoked only if the radical Islamists do take over the nukes. ( not that the ISI are much better).

In any case not having theocrats with nukes is a good idea.

Autonomy means nothing to you? You'd have Captain America, the only state to ever fire nuclear weapons in anger parachuting in to save the day so they can keep the warheads in the hands of friendly tyrants regardless of international law?

Should Baathists have pre-emptively attacked Washington before Fallujah and it's people was destroyed by chemical weapons?

What's your position on Israel's illegal nuclear stockpile? And their attempts to illegally sell warheads to apartheid South Africa?

Yahew

Either I am not typing slow enough or you are reading too fast for your own good. If Pakistani nukes get into the hands of stateless terrorists it would be good to take em out. I don't care who takes stateless terrorists out. China, if north Korea collapsed, Russia if a neighbour with nukes collapsed, India and the US if Pakistan collapses. Etc.

The other alternative is millions of deaths, which you are going to blame on the Joos anyway.

Brown Bomber

Yahew wrote: »

Either I am not typing slow enough or you are reading too fast for your own good. If Pakistani nukes get into the hands of stateless terrorists it would be good to take em out. I don't care who takes stateless terrorists out. China, if north Korea collapsed, Russia if a neighbour with nukes collapsed, India and the US if Pakistan collapses. Etc.

There is nothing to argue over here. Obviously neither of us want to see anyone getting nuked nor nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Yahew wrote: »

The other alternative is millions of deaths, which you are going to blame on the Joos anyway.

Ey.... Where did that come from? :pac:

Surely not me asking you about Israel's illegal nuclear arsenal?

Take 2

What's your position on Israel's illegal nuclear stockpile? And their attempts to illegally sell warheads to apartheid South Africa?

Yahew

Brown Bomber wrote: »

There is nothing to argue over here. Obviously neither of us want to see anyone getting nuked nor nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists.


Ey.... Where did that come from? :pac:

Surely not me asking you about Israel's illegal nuclear arsenal?

Take 2

What's your position on Israel's illegal nuclear stockpile? And their attempts to illegally sell warheads to apartheid South Africa?

My position on Israel and it's nukes. I am opposed.


Now why did you ask?

Talk E

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is the West's biggest threat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUuIdEOKW9k

Dear Osanta,

I have been a good boy this year.
I want a playstation 3
A scrambler
And a surprise.

Nice 1

Talk E

Ps. I will leave the tv on for you and some good porno mags on the table.

Jeboa Safari

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Briefly tell me what you know about the powers of the Pakistani government.

They don't control the northern region, but they're too unstable to allow the US send troops in because of the uproar it would cause. The ISI, or at least certain powerful elements within it, aren't really answerable to the government, and would probably seize any opportunity it could to gain control. The best they can currently do is quietly allow the US conduct drone attacks while officially protesting.
There is no real way the US can invade, its a country of 170 million, with plenty of fanatics, has nuclear weapons and spends a sizeable amount of its budget on defence.

ed2hands

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

They don't control the northern region, but they're too unstable to allow the US send troops in because of the uproar it would cause. The ISI, or at least certain powerful elements within it, aren't really answerable to the government, and would probably seize any opportunity it could to gain control. The best they can currently do is quietly allow the US conduct drone attacks while officially protesting.
There is no real way the US can invade, its a country of 170 million, with plenty of fanatics, has nuclear weapons and spends a sizeable amount of its budget on defence.

Source?

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

They don't control the northern region, but they're too unstable to allow the US send troops in because of the uproar it would cause. The ISI, or at least certain powerful elements within it, aren't really answerable to the government, and would probably seize any opportunity it could to gain control. The best they can currently do is quietly allow the US conduct drone attacks while officially protesting.
There is no real way the US can invade, its a country of 170 million, with plenty of fanatics, has nuclear weapons and spends a sizeable amount of its budget on defence.

The best they can do for who? The US empire? Let's not forget they are the government of the Pakistani people and should be serving their best interests.

How on earth is it in the best interests of the representatives of the Pakistani people to allow drone attacks that kill 90% civilians of these same people?

Pakistan spends a sizable amount of it's budget on it's defence for two reasons. They are actually on the frontline of the US made global war on terror, many more Pakistanis have lost their lives than Americans. Also it is part of the merry-go-round of putting American taxpayer dollars into the military corporations US taxpayers >>> Pakistani aid (less money stolen through corruption) >>>> Haliburton etc.

Your "plenty of fanatics" comment interests me. I'd be interested to hear you expand on it.

Anyway, take 3 minutes to watch this and you'll learn all you need to know about the current Pakistan government.

Brown Bomber

Yahew wrote: »

My position on Israel and it's nukes. I am opposed.


Now why did you ask?

Because we were discussing terrorists/rogue states with nukes and Israel fits both descriptions IMO. I wanted to see if you would apply a double standard.

Brown Bomber

And right on cue today from the US Senate Committee on Foriegn Relations.

Senator Richard G. Lugar, the Ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, today made the following statement at a committee hearing:

To the extent that our purpose is to confront the global terrorist threat, we should be refocusing resources on Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, parts of North Africa, and other locations.

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The Pakistan side of the border has a fundamentally different dynamic. Despite the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda and other terrorist groups maintain a strong presence. There is no question that the threat of these groups, combined with worries about state collapse, a Pakistani war with India, the safety of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, and Pakistan’s intersection with other states in the region make it a strategically vital country worth the cost of engagement. The question is how the United States navigates the contradictions inherent in dealing with the Pakistani government and Pakistani society to ensure that our resources and diplomacy advance our objectives efficiently.


The importance of getting this right is reinforced by the utterances of Osama bin Laden, who called the terrorist acquisition of nuclear and chemical weapons “a religious duty.” This effort has not died with bin Laden. Al Qaeda and its affiliates have so far been unsuccessful in obtaining nuclear material or a nuclear device, experts believe. But many of our top military and intelligence officials continue to regard the terrorist acquisition of a nuclear weapon as the biggest threat to U.S. national security.


Pakistan’s military leaders have given repeated assurances that the country’s rapidly expanding nuclear arsenal is well-secured. But we also know that the A.Q. Khan network was enabled by members of Pakistan’s nuclear establishment. Further, if Pakistan succumbs to violent extremism or economic collapse, confidence in the security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal and technology could erode rapidly. This underscores the importance to U.S. national security of a stable Pakistan and of continued engagement on terrorism and nuclear security issues.
http://foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/?id=41835d06-cb6b-4354-9ba5-aa4f450b220f

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In short: Our economy is gone to ****. The only way to remain as the globes sole superpower is to abuse our unmatched military strength. There is nobody left to fight in Afghanistan. We have our bases to launch future attacks on Iran from, our warlords are running the opium trade and the government has been utterly corrupted and will do our bidding unflinchingly.

Therefore Al-Qaeda are now in league with the dark side of Pakistani intelligence/military and politics. We put on that Osama show, bringing him back to life to prove to everyone that Pakistan = Al Qaeda. There is a slight hitch though, Pakistan is nuclear armed, but every problem is an opportunity. The nukes could be our back door to occupation. All we have to do fabricate some nonsense about Pakistani nuclear arms being under threat. Perhaps arm some of our mad Mooslims on the payroll to attack a military base, get some of the guys Raymond Davis was dealing with before he went on his killing spree. Now all we need is Julian Assange to knock up some bull**** leaks pushing the Al Qaeda/Bin Laden = Pakistan = Nuclear terrorist threat = US forced to act to safeguard the Pakistan warheads...............

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Therefore Al-Qaeda are now in league with the dark side of Pakistani intelligence/military and politics.

Captured Al Qaeda: Foreign Fighters 'Converging' in Pakistan


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/captured-al-qaeda-foreign-fighters-converging-pakistan/story?id=13674549

Brown Bomber wrote: »

All we have to do fabricate some nonsense about Pakistani nuclear arms being under threat.

WikiLeaks: US raised concerns about safety of Pakistan's nuclear assets


Updated: May 26, 2011 02:48 IST

http://www.ndtv.com/article/wikileaks-revelations/wikileaks-us-raised-concerns-about-safety-of-pakistans-nuclear-assets-108219

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Perhaps arm some of our mad Mooslims on the payroll to attack a military base

'New kind of militant' behind Pakistan Karachi attack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13508864

The deadly 15-hour siege on Pakistan's Mehran naval airbase in Karachi on Monday was carried out by attackers with military-level training, raising suspicions they had inside help.


Questions are being asked about the security of Pakistan's vital military installations after a well-organised group of gunmen held off Pakistan's equivalent of the US Navy Seals - the Special Services Group-Navy (SSG-N) - for 15 hours.



The SSG-N is said to be the most formidable fighting force in Pakistan, but - for a few hours at least - they appeared to be at the mercy of a brazen group of fighters.



"They weren't any ordinary militants - certainly not the Taliban," said one security official, who wished to remain unnamed.
"The aim of all Taliban attacks is maximum death and destruction - these men were very focused on what they were after."

A number of officials listed to me their observations, which reinforced the conviction that they were being confronted with a new kind of militant attack:

• Military formation: One injured sailor told an official that the attackers "moved and dressed like us". The militants moved in tactical military formation and spoke in military parlance. They spoke between themselves in Urdu, as well as a foreign language.
• Clothing and equipment: The militants wore combat fatigues, according to officials - and had night vision goggles, carrying rocket propelled grenades [RPGs]. "It takes months of training for ease with the goggles, and years to be expert," an official told me.
• Tactics and a plan: One witness said that even though the militants had clear sight of them, "they ignored us... Instead, they just aimed RPGs at the two Orions [planes] parked on the tarmac." They were clearly under instructions to destroy military hardware. They also changed tactics easily and broke away in groups, which clearly had different aims.
• Crack shots: "They were excellent shots - as good as any we have," said a security official involved in the operation. They used their night vision goggles to maximum effect, witnesses say - and that was an advantage they had until the SSG-N team arrived at the scene. When the gun battle began, one security official said, it was clear that these men could "hold their own" in a firefight. The fact that they had M16 carbines and sniper rifles also set them apart.

Officials says all of this is in strong contrast to the Taliban, who adopt an equally brutal but more chaotic mode of attack. "Their best weapon is the suicide bomber - they are notoriously poor shots," one official told me.
"They were the exception to every rule of Pakistan militant tactics.
"They were also not about killing people," the official said. "It was clear they were interested in the destruction of equipment, a much more 'military' aim."

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Raid on PN Base - Objectives of Foreign Intelligentsia


By Lt Col Zaheerul Hassan (R)
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/05/24/raid-pn-base-objectives-foreign-intelligentsia

In the light of the above objectives we can visualize the hidden hands behind the attack on Pakistan Navel Base, i.e. India, U.S, and Israel collaboration in and their continuing treacherous alliance. In this connection there are three possibilities, firstly, we can say that they have managed to target several Pakistan Navy assets, create a major hole in Pakistani war capability, shake the national morale, and give a boost to protracted propaganda in mainly US media about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and sites. The incident of Naval Forces occurred at a time when the Pakistani nation faced a major security breach on May 2,2011 and parliament passed a resolution against U.S. unilaterally action of Abbottabad.



CIA and ISI differences over OBL killing and others intelligence matters clearly caused the trust deficit between them. The reasons are obvious because Pakistan security agencies and ISI have only single interest i.e. guarding national whereas CIA has multidimensional interests of super power.


It’s a coordinated attack planned by RAW in collaboration with CIA. It’s very much connected with the Abbottabad Operation, Raymond Davis release and terrorists attacks in Quetta. On May 16,2011 a Saudi diplomat was also gunned down by men on a motorbike as he drove through Karachi in Pakistan, just days after two hand grenades were lobbed at the consulate building, police say.

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Indian footprints emerging
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=48984&Cat=2&dt=5/25/2011

ISLAMABAD: The footprints of circumstantial evidence regarding the terrorist attack on the Mehran base clearly show the involvement of Indian intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). Senior intelligence sources told The News that this was a joint venture, accomplished by RAW certainly with the consent of CIA and a group of al-Qaeda who are being used by the anti-Pakistan lobby.

“Even at this very initial stage, the agencies engaged in the investigation of the attack have got hold of some concrete indications to prove the involvement of foreign hand in the debacle,” one source said. He said that it could easily be calculated who was the prime beneficiary of the shattering strike.

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Brown Bomber wrote: »

Now all we need is Julian Assange to knock up some bull**** leaks pushing the Al Qaeda/Bin Laden = Pakistan = Nuclear terrorist threat = US forced to act to safeguard the Pakistan warheads...............

Wikileaks: Pakistani Military Taught to Dislike US
http://www.ndtv.com/article/wikileaks-revelations/wikileaks-us-raised-concerns-about-safety-of-pakistans-nuclear-assets-108219

Brown Bomber

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Brown Bomber

Gen. Hamid Gul: US will start WW3 if war expands to Pakistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH8WUHjo1ms

Brown Bomber

US plans to seize nuke stockpile if terrorists take over Pak

Pakistan’s worst fears that the US has plans to seize its nuclear stockpile have been confirmed by US expert, Dr Jack Caravelli, a former adviser to at least two US Presidents.
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“For a number of years, the plans existed that in the most dire of circumstances the US would at least have the options to undertake operations to try and secure those weapons and materials, if necessary,” Caravelli said in his radio interview. A leading US nuclear expert on non-proliferation and terrorism, Caravelli is also a former Deputy Assistant Secretary at the US Department of Energy and had served on the White House National Security Council where he was the President’s main adviser
for non-proliferation policies affecting Russia and the Middle East.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110601/main2.htm

Caravelli is "ex" CIA

Dr. Jack Caravelli has served at the highest reaches of the US government as an expert on national security issues. His government service began in 1982 at the Central Intelligence Agency where he completed various analytical and managerial assignments.
http://www.clubcorp.net/Clubs/La-Cima-Club/About-the-Club/Calendar/Canceled-Speaker-Series-with-Dr.-Jack-Caravelli

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