Same sex couples having children

PAULWATSON

Maybe it is just me, but does anyone else here find it disgraceful and like totally discriminatory that same sex couples cannot have natural children of their own?

Why is it that only male and female couples can have children? If two females want to have a child together or two homosexual males, who are we to stop them.

MagicSean

The lack of a penis or vagina often poses a problem.

Forest Master

"natural" children of their own? Are you being stupid or sarcastic?

superfish

thought the saying was up the bum no harm done ? so now they have to worry about getting pregnant ????

Saila

missed out on the brids and bees huh? ..awwwww

PAULWATSON

k_mac wrote: »

The lack of a penis or vagina often poses a problem.

A fact often overlooked.

Forest Master wrote: »

"natural" children of their own? Are you being stupid or sarcastic?

What, they should have equal rights. That is what I keep hearing on the radio and TV.

So Forest, are you actually saying that these are some physical limits on the same same agenda?

yawha

A homosexual couple can't have children naturally without involving a third party, for obvious biological reasons.

Absolutely nothing wrong with a same sex couple adopting though.

Spunge

Yes, mother nature is a homophobe and a bigot for not allowing same-sex couples to have children.

Predator_

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

Saila

Predator_ wrote: »

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

*opens popcorn*

PAULWATSON

Spunge wrote: »

Yes, mother nature is a homophobe and a bigot for not allowing same-sex couples to have children.

That hits the nail on the head.

I knew people were not always as nice and friendly as us guys are these days.

MagicSean

Saila wrote: »

*opens popcorn*

*gets nachos, minstrels and drinks*

Here for the long haul.

PAULWATSON

Predator_ wrote: »

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

Go and take some happy pills, do you not know that we all love each other these days?

Predator_

Predator_ wrote: »

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

Well I live with 2 girls in a full truple relationship and we have an 8 month old daughter now. so far so good!

stovelid

Predator_ wrote: »

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

As hermaphrodites?

Spunge

Predator_ wrote: »

No child should be brought up in such circumstances.

yer mas yer da

Forest Master

PAULWATSON wrote: »

are you actually saying that these are some physical limits on the same same agenda?

I seriously don't know what you mean - that sentence makes no sense. What agenda? "Some physical limits", "same same"?
I can't actually establish your stance on it - which is why I asked if your first post was stupidity or sarcasm. Of course they can't have "natural" children of their own - I thought that would be obvious due to biology. So what's your question? Should they be allowed to adopt? Is that what you're asking? Because for such a simple question, you really are making a meal out of asking it.

philologos

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Maybe it is just me, but does anyone else here find it disgraceful and like totally discriminatory that same sex couples cannot have natural children of their own?

Why is it that only male and female couples can have children? If two females want to have a child together or two homosexual males, who are we to stop them.

We can't stop them, but surely biology does. Unless you're getting at something else here?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Well I live with 2 girls in a full truple relationship and we have an 8 month old daughter now. so far so good!

lol, you again


Anyway for OP, gay people should have kids if they want

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

lol, you again

Yip, I am mirror stalking you. It is where you stalk someone in such a way that you show up to places before they follow you there, so it then looks like they are stalking you.

Either that or you feel the need to stalk me

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Yip, I am mirror stalking you. It is where you stalk someone in such a way that you show up to places before they follow you there, so it then looks like they are stalking you.

Either that or you feel the need to stalk me

No stalking involved, just every post I see of yours is about your truple!

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

No stalking involved, just every post I see of yours is about your truple!

This might be more to do with the posts you choose to read/notice than what I actually write. As I told you before when you got a bee in your bonnet about it, a quick use of the search function will find many posts by me on other topics.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

This might be more to do with the posts you choose to read/notice than what I actually write. As I told you before when you got a bee in your bonnet about it, a quick use of the search function will find many posts by me on other topics.

I know, I had a look, I'm not getting a bee in my bonnet You're probably right on what I notice!

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

I know, I had a look, I'm not getting a bee in my bonnet

Then why bring it up? Just to derail threads? As I said before: You worry about the content of your posts, I will worry about the contents of mine. Now back to the topic....

BEASTERLY

I have nothing against gay people but from a practical point of view i would be against them bringing up kids.

It's all well and good to go all out for equal rights at all costs. But if you were the kid how would you feel growing up in those circumstances. Think about it, bullying in school, having friends over would be awkward and the lack of a father or mother figure can only be detrimental. Why would you willingly bring these troubles on a child.

It's all well and good being PC but you have to be realistic.

stoneill

Here's my tuppence worth:
My opinion is that it is unhealthy for children to be brought up in a environment that is based on a non-heterosexual relationship.

Squeeonline

stoneill wrote: »

Here's my tuppence worth:
My opinion is that it is unhealthy for children to be brought up in a environment that is based on a non-heterosexual relationship.

About as unhealthy as bringing a child up in a heterosexual environment.

nozzferrahhtoo

stoneill wrote: »

Here's my tuppence worth

Yup, that is about what the opinion was worth. Possibly also the amount of money you spent researching it too. There appears to be no data or evidence to suggest any detriment to the health or upbringing of children in relationships with alternative configurations... with the exception of single parenting but that is due mostly to the increased pressures of time and income that single parents are faced with over couples of any sexual configuration.

BEASTERLY wrote: »

But if you were the kid how would you feel growing up in those circumstances. Think about it, bullying in school, having friends over would be awkward

Children are rarely bullied in that fashion. Bullies pick targets first, and choose reasons to bully them after the fact retrospectively. If a child is going to be bullied the bully will find some reason for it, whether the child has gay parents or not.

However your point is doubley problematic given it is equally applicable to any characteristic that "stands out" on the part of the parents. By your reasoning parents with any noticable handicap should also not be having children, because bullies will latch on to the "spa" parent or the "capper" as they were called when I was in school.

And someone please think of the midgets!!! By your thinking, who wants a parent who is a "midget"???

If you go down this route of thinking, basically any parent that does not fit your personal ideal mould of what parents should be like, should not be having children for fear that their standing out as "different" will cause their kids to be bullied. After all, "Why would you willingly bring these troubles on a child".

BEASTERLY wrote: »

the lack of a father or mother figure can only be detrimental.

It would appear you spend the same 2p that the user above did. There is little to no research suggesting anything of this sort at all.

Hiding behind the "oh but the bullies" defense to justify your own prejudices really drives me up the fcuking wall.

Oh but the bullies will bully red heads - no redheads allowed!
They'll bully children with glasses - no glasses allowed!

Ffs, pandering to this crap is not going to get anyone anywhere.

Annasopra

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Maybe it is just me, but does anyone else here find it disgraceful and like totally discriminatory that same sex couples cannot have natural children of their own?

Why is it that only male and female couples can have children? If two females want to have a child together or two homosexual males, who are we to stop them.

Sigh...... just sigh

Micky Dolenz

Deleted User wrote: »

This might be more to do with the posts you choose to read/notice than what I actually write. As I told you before when you got a bee in your bonnet about it, a quick use of the search function will find many posts by me on other topics.

Don't drag stuff in here from other fora.

Stay on topic please.

Spunge

fora is the plural of forum. mind, blown

Morag

There are plenty of kids growing up and who have grown up, with same sex parents.
Parents as in the adults who are a couple who live in the house with them and are their caregivers who do, y'know the parenting and rearing of those children.

There are children in familes with one parent in the house there are children who grow up with more then two adults in the house who are actively part of parenting them. Sometimes it's Aunts and Uncles or grandparents or sometimes the children are oin a home with parents who are in a poly relationship. I know staggering that all this has, is and does happen in Ireland.

MagicMarker

NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!

snickerpuss

When people say that same sex couples shouldn't have children cos they'll be bullied are they implying other children aren't?

Cos surely if the children of non same sex couples have the potential to be bullied then those couples shouldn't have kids either. Or red haired couples. Or ethnic minority couples. Or anyone likely to have kids who'll be slagged.

NEWSFLASH: kids are mean and will find something to bully others about. This does not need to be prevented against by not having kids.

orourkeda

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Yup, that is about what the opinion was worth. Possibly also the amount of money you spent researching it too. There appears to be no data or evidence to suggest any detriment to the health or upbringing of children in relationships with alternative configurations... with the exception of single parenting but that is due mostly to the increased pressures of time and income that single parents are faced with over couples of any sexual configuration.



Children are rarely bullied in that fashion. Bullies pick targets first, and choose reasons to bully them after the fact retrospectively. If a child is going to be bullied the bully will find some reason for it, whether the child has gay parents or not.

However your point is doubley problematic given it is equally applicable to any characteristic that "stands out" on the part of the parents. By your reasoning parents with any noticable handicap should also not be having children, because bullies will latch on to the "spa" parent or the "capper" as they were called when I was in school.

And someone please think of the midgets!!! By your thinking, who wants a parent who is a "midget"???

If you go down this route of thinking, basically any parent that does not fit your personal ideal mould of what parents should be like, should not be having children for fear that their standing out as "different" will cause their kids to be bullied. After all, "Why would you willingly bring these troubles on a child".



It would appear you spend the same 2p that the user above did. There is little to no research suggesting anything of this sort at all.

Children are bullied in every fashion imaginable

nozzferrahhtoo

orourkeda wrote: »

Children are bullied in every fashion imaginable

Strange, I am not aware of saying they weren't? Not sure what you are trying to tell me here, sorry.

Sonics2k

BEASTERLY wrote: »

I have nothing against gay people but from a practical point of view i would be against them bringing up kids.

It's all well and good to go all out for equal rights at all costs. But if you were the kid how would you feel growing up in those circumstances. Think about it, bullying in school, having friends over would be awkward and the lack of a father or mother figure can only be detrimental. Why would you willingly bring these troubles on a child.

It's all well and good being PC but you have to be realistic.

Ugh, can't believe I'm actually responding to this on the AH.

I was raised by two women, both of whom I would call my mother, I've known my mother was gay since a young age. Not because I saw something different, but because I was never búll****ted as a child.

Growing up, none of my friends found it odd my parents were gay, all they cared about was that my parents were kind, raised me well and strict like any other "normal" parents.

I have numerous friends now who's parents are gay, and not one of them has ever had an issue with it.

The fact of the matter is that a child growing up doesn't know what "Normal" is, unless someone tells them otherwise.

This whole nonsense that a child shouldn't be raised by a gay couple, is just like a belief 50 years ago that an inter-racial couple shouldn't have children "because they'd be bullied".
Well kids get bullied anyway, its all part of growing up.

For the record, I'm now in my late 20's, have two wonderful children and studying Law so I can move into Family Law in the future.

JonJoeDali

Sonics2k wrote: »

For the record, I'm now in my late 20's, have two wonderful children and studying Law so I can move into Family Law in the future.

What do you want? A medal?

Sonics2k

JonJoeDali wrote: »

What do you want? A medal?

Actually it was more aimed at the belief that people raised by Gay Couples end up with some kinda of "life issues" and ****.

And the reason I choose to move into Family Law is try and change the current legal system for Unmarried Father's Rights, Gay Rights and so on.

p.s.
I'd prefer a Trophy.

Joey the lips

I read an interesting debate on this recently that said techanically if a man donates sperm to a lesbien couple to have kids techanically the mother(child bearer) can sue him for maintenance cost.

I imagine there is a massive amount of work to be done in this area.

Considering we cannot make good moves on fostering and adoption with man women relationships i dread to think the possibility of time it will take to do it with man man or women women.

However like many laws there is ways for women to get there way and plenty of money for men to get there way.

JonJoeDali

Sonics2k wrote: »

Actually it was more aimed at the belief that people raised by Gay Couples end up with some kinda of "life issues" and ****.

And the reason I choose to move into Family Law is try and change the current legal system for Unmarried Father's Rights, Gay Rights and so on.

p.s.
I'd prefer a Trophy.

Stupid reasons for a law career. And best of luck - Kings Inns/Blackhall Place graduates are ten a penny these days. Especially lefty change-the-world liberal types.

Micky Dolenz

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Stupid reasons for a law career. And best of luck - Kings Inns/Blackhall Place graduates are ten a penny these days. Especially lefty change-the-world liberal types.

Don't post in this thread again.

orourkeda

Joey the lips wrote: »

I read an interesting debate on this recently that said techanically if a man donates sperm to a lesbien couple to have kids techanically the mother(child bearer) can sue him for maintenance cost.

I imagine there is a massive amount of work to be done in this area.

Considering we cannot make good moves on fostering and adoption with man women relationships i dread to think the possibility of time it will take to do it with man man or women women.

However like many laws there is ways for women to get there way and plenty of money for men to get there way.

So why would any bloke go to the trouble?

BEASTERLY

bluewolf wrote: »

Hiding behind the "oh but the bullies" defense to justify your own prejudices really drives me up the fcuking wall.

Oh but the bullies will bully red heads - no redheads allowed!
They'll bully children with glasses - no glasses allowed!

Ffs, pandering to this crap is not going to get anyone anywhere.

Hiding behind the ''oh your just a prejudice homophobe'' defense to justify your ideals and avoid the facts drives me up the fcuking wall.

How would you like to be brought up in such circumstances if given the choice between that or a heterosexual couple. The two other examples you give are not a choice for people. Bringing a child into a same sex relationship is a choice, a selfish choice mad by adults!

Talk about PC gone mad!

Sonics2k

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Stupid reasons for a law career. And best of luck - Kings Inns/Blackhall Place graduates are ten a penny these days. Especially lefty change-the-world liberal types.

Your opinion is hugely important to me, thank you for contributing to my world outlook and my place in the world.

If it helps, I also want to go into Law because I look good in a suit, and like power.

PyeContinental

Sonics2k wrote: »

Actually it was more aimed at the belief that people raised by Gay Couples end up with some kinda of "life issues" and ****.

And the reason I choose to move into Family Law is try and change the current legal system for Unmarried Father's Rights, Gay Rights and so on.

p.s.
I'd prefer a Trophy.

The obvious inference is that your career choice was influenced by your upbringing, and that you may see it as a vocation, even a personal crusade. Is that not true?

MagicMarker

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Hiding behind the ''oh your just a prejudice homophobe'' defense to justify your ideals and avoid the facts drives me up the fcuking wall.

How would you like to be brought up in such circumstances if given the choice between that or a heterosexual couple. The two other examples you give are not a choice for people. Bringing a child into a same sex relationship is a choice, a selfish choice mad by adults!

Talk about PC gone mad! I don't wish to cause any offense to anybody but sometimes the truth hurts, that does not me it shouldn't be heard.

I would have liked to be brought up with all the toys I ever wanted and an indoor swimming pool.

BAN POOR PEOPLE FROM HAVING KIDS!!!!

Sonics2k

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Hiding behind the ''oh your just a prejudice homophobe'' defense to justify your ideals and avoid the facts drives me up the fcuking wall.

How would you like to be brought up in such circumstances if given the choice between that or a heterosexual couple. The two other examples you give are not a choice for people. Bringing a child into a same sex relationship is a choice, a selfish choice mad by adults!

Talk about PC gone mad! I don't wish to cause any offense to anybody but sometimes the truth hurts, that does not me it shouldn't be heard.

Read my earlier post.

Try speaking to people have actually been raised by gay couples.
Ask them if they were loved less, or abused, or bullied more.

Now I'm not saying your prejudiced, but I am saying you may be a bit confused, or possibly just overly concerned.

JonJoeDali

Sonics2k wrote: »

Your opinion is hugely important to me, thank you for contributing to my world outlook and my place in the world.

If it helps, I also want to go into Law because I look good in a suit, and like power.

You'd want to learn the rules on capitalisation while you're at it...

Seeing as you like nice suits so much, perhaps you'd consider a career in antique dealing? They get to be far more flambouyant.

Sonics2k

PyeContinental wrote: »

The obvious inference is that your career choice was influenced by your upbringing, and that you may see it as a vocation, even a personal crusade. Is that not true?

@mods, sorry for numerous posts.

/ontopic.

If you wish I can give you my personal reasoning for wanting to go into Family Law.

As I said, I have two children. However after their mother and I seperated, I was not permitted access to my children for many many months, and there was nothing I could legally do about it, as we had never gotten married, and she had refused to sign a statutory declarations.

I went through months of legal battles, that affected my own health and a destroyed a relationship I was in, with a woman I madly loved, and cost me virtually every penny I had.

My reasoning for going into family law is to try and prevent this happening to other people in the future to other Father's who just want to see and be with their children.

Everything is else is secondary.