Fringe S03E22 "The Day We Died" [**Spoilers**]

opr

Couldn't resist watching, I am so weak willed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLThXS0CpVc

Opr

opr

You destroyed my universe son and now I am going to destroy yours

Does this relate to the fact that one universe has already been destroyed or is it just hyperbole on the already decaying one ? Basically at the end of this weeks episode Peter isn't taken into the future in the blue or red universe but another one already destroyed. I have to watch it again but have seen it mentioned that the towers in the clip at the end don't correspond with the blue or red universes

Opr

somuj

savage cabbage

Antar Bolaeisk

WTF? :confused:

opr wrote: »

Does this relate to the fact that one universe has already been destroyed or is it just hyperbole on the already decaying one ? Basically at the end of this weeks episode Peter isn't taken into the future in the blue or red universe but another one already destroyed. I have to watch it again but have seen it mentioned that the towers in the clip at the end don't correspond with the blue or red universes

Opr

Perhaps it's the yellow universe that was rumoured a while back.

Edit: Oh, I see you are already aware of this possibility.

Sad Professor

WTF? :mad:

I still see no evidence for a third universe. What would be the point anyway? It wouldn't really evolve the story in any way. I think what we're seeing in this preview is just the future of our universe in which the other universe has been destroyed. Although our universe is obviously none the better for this. So destroying one or other universe isn't the solution, both need to be saved. I'm assuming time travel will be the focus of next season. Peter's strange behaviour after waking up suggests the possibility of alternate timelines.

The Black Oil

Film style promo for the finale, 2 mins long.

Pretty excited now. Will try to avoid any more news before the weekend.

Redisle

Is Broyles president? American flag pin on his lapel!

Looks like a sweet Finale! Looking forward to it.

Antar Bolaeisk

WTF? :confused:

The Black Oil wrote: »

Film style promo for the finale, 2 mins long.

Pretty excited now. Will try to avoid any more news before the weekend.

What was the quick voice snippet at the end of the video, did anyone catch it?

Looks like it's going to be a pretty great finale.

stevenmu

opr wrote: »

I have to watch it again but have seen it mentioned that the towers in the clip at the end don't correspond with the blue or red universes

Opr

If you mean the towers at the end of Ep21 (I haven't seen Ep22 promo yet so you might mean something new in that?), I believe it's the tower that is planned to be built at ground zero to replace the WTC twin towers, hence the plaque commemerating 9/11.

ScrubsfanChris

WTF? :confused:

I don't think time travel is involved here (yet )

Peter's hair line is receding and turnung slightly grey:



Also, I don't think Peter's waking up of sorts has anything to do with him going into the machine, it was just a smash cut to the aftermath of using the machine in the first place. Too many theories to write about.
You should see the talk over on the FringeTelevision forum.

ScrubsfanChris

WTF? :confused:

stevenmu wrote: »

If you mean the towers at the end of Ep21 (I haven't seen Ep22 promo yet so you might mean something new in that?), I believe it's the tower that is planned to be built at ground zero to replace the WTC twin towers, hence the plaque commemerating 9/11.

Freedom Tower, currently being built on the site of the old WTC towers.

Axwell

Arrrghhhh why has no one watching this yet!! I came on here expecting a load of replies about it and all the wtf and omgs..I need to talk to people who have watching it..

This is a summary of what it was like watching the episode

:eek::(:eek::eek::eek:

Hurry up and watch it folks!

busyliving

WTF? :)

Axwell wrote: »

Arrrghhhh why has no one watching this yet!! I came on here expecting a load of replies about it and all the wtf and omgs..I need to talk to people who have watching it..

This is a summary of what it was like watching the episode

:eek::(:eek::eek::eek:

Hurry up and watch it folks!

Ha Ha just watched it and your summary is very accurate

Richard Dower

WTF? :confused:

CONFUSED.COM!!!!!!!...wtf????????????, um, Peter never existed?, two Olivias, two Walters?, working together?

How long before Fauxlivia drops the baby bomb on Olivia??????
That was pretty damn ace albeit a head****!......damn you Fringe producers, 3 months wait!!!!!!!!

Mr E

WTF? :confused:

I'll see your confusion, and raise you a :eek::(:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::pac::pac::pac::pac:

That episode planted so many seeds for season 4, its ridiculous.

Mr E

WTF? :confused:

I'll rename thread and add a poll.

So was Peter like Dawn from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

VinLieger

WTF? :confused:

Deleted User wrote: »

So was Peter like Dawn from Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

Looks like except where as she stuck around he..... didnt?

expectationlost

WTF? :confused:

if they've forgotten peter fauxlivia is going to have a shock when she goes home and finds a baby?

red dave

WTF? :confused:

Richard Dower wrote: »

damn you Fringe producers, 3 months wait!!!!!!!!

Is it only a 3 months wait? That's less than some "breaks" some seasons take in-between a running season. 3 months seems so short

red dave

WTF? :confused:

expectationlost wrote: »

if they've forgotten peter fauxlivia is going to have a shock when she goes home and finds a baby?

Although if Peter never existed, the baby never happened. But then Peter was the only one who could use the machine and was the only one who could choose which universe....and on and on.... so many questions

Great

MagicMarker

Pretty crap finale tbh. I was expecting great things and it seemed it was 80% filler and 20% actually dealing with the plot. That seems to sum up the whole season.

J-blk

WTF? :confused:

MagicMarker wrote: »

Pretty crap finale tbh. I was expecting great things and it seemed it was 80% filler and 20% actually dealing with the plot. That seems to sum up the whole season.

Sorry, but have to disagree, season 3 was easily the best season yet, with very little filler along the way. And things had to come to a head with the "war" between the universes and this episode showed us what would happen if one "won" over the other. If the show had been canceled, this part of the story could have worked as a (pretty bleak) series finale without the part right at the end.

There were plenty of WTF moments and how will everyone forgetting Peter account for some things (e.g why the hell would the Walters even have a dispute without Peter?) but I'm very much looking forward to next season. Given that we got a dedicated "black" intro, I wonder if the future thing will play into next season a lot more, kind of like how things started with the "red" universe? I definitely think so, because older Ella, the young Fringe agent talking to Astrid back at Fringe HQ seem like they would become new characters rather than once off guests... No idea though how the "broken" future would be relevant to things now however.

Also, the universes haven't "merged" right? Only things in that one room on Liberty island. So how will the folks from the "red" universe cross back over?

Antar Bolaeisk

WTF? :confused:

Brilliant episode again this week but I hope that isn't the conclusion to the First People mystery since that's a self contained paradox without the initial conditions and assumes that the machine existed without ever having to be created (though I suppose it's possible that it could have been created during previous iterations of the loop which we're not privy to which is sort of supported by Peter's conciousness having travelled in time, a solution which we see Walter come up but has already been acted upon).

TonyD79

red dave wrote: »

Is it only a 3 months wait? That's less than some "breaks" some seasons take in-between a running season. 3 months seems so short

Wont be back until the end of September so 4 months!!

Axwell

Ok so many questions after watching it and I can come up with very few answer so I will start the ball rolling.

The line from the Observers after the merge saying Peter never existed ...discuss

The Black Oil

Liked the finale, liked it a fair bit. Always good to see Brad Dourif and I thought he would be given more to do, but given the focus of the episode, it's understandable that he wasn't in it much. Not entirely sure of Pacey's acting chops for episodes like this, think he works better as snappy, sharp Peter. Was there a suggestion that 2026 Olivia can't have children? Where can season 4 take us? I felt some of it mirrored the pilot, which I liked. Seemed like the odd nod to characters or fans, e.g., the sweets for Walter and empty lab. Most of the reaction I've read is very positive, a little gushing

don ramo

WTF? :confused:

:mad::(:confused

yeah that about sums up my report on the day we all died:D,

i was kinda surprised that our peter didnt get to interact in the future and only seemed to be observing,

its good to see what could have happened if peter did destroy one universe, these kinda things are probably very finely balanced and even to upset one thing would have dire consequences for everything else,

the thing now is how the two universes plan on working togerther, the problems facing them are affecting both side more overthere than here, seeing as they've had about 30 years of it and were only at the beginning,

i wonder though if peter never existed how did the events come to pass in the first place, did the observers create peter in an attempt to break some continuus loop that the first people (oliva, walter, astrid ETC) are stuck in, constantly repeating some mistake over and over, with peter hopefully being the thing that breaks the cycle,

i am wondring if joshua jackson is gonna be coming back next season (maybe the renewal was given if they dropped a lead)

The Black Oil

don ramo wrote: »

i am wondring if joshua jackson is gonna be coming back next season (maybe the renewal was given if they dropped a lead)

JWFRINGE JOEL WYMAN

@CoryAllenHurst #FringelLiveTweet Let's just say Josh has a contract for season 4.

From http://twitter.com/#!/JWFRINGE

tvnutz

WTF? :)

I'm goin to chime in with the :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Time travel always wrecks my head,same with Lost,and that episode was just a head wrecker. Good thing it was picked up for another season or else that would have been our finale!

opr

Interview about the finale with the producers.

Fringe Finale Exclusive: WTF Just Happened?! Producers Answer (Some) Burning Questions

http://www.tvline.com/2011/05/fringe-season-3-finale-review-answers/

Opr

Sad Professor

WTF? :mad:

I wasn't mad about that at all. The ending was nonsensical and not really worth thinking about. As the Peter Weller episode last season demonstrated, they seem to be using Back to the Future-style time travel logic. It doesn't make any sense, nor is it obviously supposed to. But we'll see where they go with this next season. As long as it's fun I don't really care if it makes sense or not.

Also, I get the feeling that this was written to double as a series finale (minus the twist) in case the show got cancelled.

Oh and the blatant product placement is like something out of the 50s.

MagicMarker

Sad Professor wrote: »

I wasn't mad about that at all. The ending was nonsensical and not really worth thinking about. As the Peter Weller episode last season demonstrated, they seem to be using Back to the Future-style time travel logic. It doesn't make any sense, nor is it obviously supposed to. But we'll see where they go with this next season. As long as it's fun I don't really care if it makes sense or not.

Also, I get the feeling that this was written to double as a series finale (minus the twist) in case the show got cancelled.

Oh and the blatant product placement is like something out of the 50s.

That peter weller episode is a perfect example of the filler crap I'm talking about. A pointless episode that adds nothing to the show as a whole, same goes for that episode set in the 20 or 30's where Olivia is a private detective. Or the episode where some guy cuts his twin brother out of the amber. Or the couple of episodes dealt with William bells consciousness in Olivia.

I'd much rather 12 episode seasons that dealt with the actual main plot etc.

Richard Dower

WTF? :confused:

expectationlost wrote: »

if they've forgotten peter fauxlivia is going to have a shock when she goes home and finds a baby?

This could hit the reset button on this, if Peter never existed....no baby!
Nice way for the producers to get outta that one!

ixoy

Enjoyed the alternate opening and most of the episode but I'm worried that the time travel logic might be a little too pat - they assembled the machine because they sent the machine back to themselves. Hmmm.... Not sure how much sense it makes, if any or why Peter vanished (something to do with the Observers?).
Still having 3 different sets of characters running around was fun.

John Noble did some fine work here in the acting department and I imagine he had a little bit of fun shooting Anna Torv in the head!

It raises some interesting story lines for next season.

MagicMarker

ixoy wrote: »

John Noble did some fine work here in the acting department and I imagine he had a little bit of fun shooting Anna Torv in the head!

He's the best thing about this show, a class above everyone else.

Richard Dower

WTF? :confused:

I also noted older Walter in 2026 seemed to have had a mini stroke, his mouth...again superb acting from Noble. How the man hasen't had any gongs is an utter scandal!!

Btw....awesome poll options Mr. E !!

NinjaTruncs

Richard Dower wrote: »

I also noted older Walter in 2026 seemed to have had a mini stroke, his mouth...again superb acting from Noble. How the man hasen't had any gongs is an utter scandal!!

Btw....awesome poll options Mr. E !!

Also when he hugged Astrid in the lab, he only used his left arm to hug her

Mr E

WTF? :confused:

So does Peter's disappearance mean that the future will still comes to pass? There could be some great stuff ahead in the next season - a trial for Walter, how Phillip lost his eye, a Fringe division being set up, Will Liv still get shot by Walternate in 15 years?

John Noble definitely needs recognition for his work this season. His first scene (with big beard) and his scene with Peter and the liquorice were brilliant.

Loved the grey intro too (with new 'out there' science terms).
Hopefully that means we'll have more future episodes next season.

don ramo

WTF? :confused:

Mr E wrote: »

So does Peter's disappearance mean that the future will still comes to pass? There could be some great stuff ahead in the next season - a trial for Walter, how Phillip lost his eye, a Fringe division being set up, Will Liv still get shot by Walternate in 15 years?

no that future occured because peter destroyed the other side with the machine, but this time peter saw what happened and decided not to destroy any side, as destroying one side will result in the other side also being destroyed,

i doubth walter will stand trial, plus id say most of the problems that occuered overthere are most likely a result of walternate trying to get over here, from the looks of it, whichever side you travel from is the side that takes the most damage, walter traveled from here once and there was no damage done (it was only a 1 off), wheras walternate has been trying to come here since he saw olive in his office, thats multiple attempts probably hundreds, each time seems to do more damage, now they have that room on liberty island to freely come and go to there own universes, so it should be interestig to see what happends now,

JP Liz V1

WTF? :)

WTF :(:mad:

Is Peter in Season 4 (Has Joshua Jackson signed on for Season 4)

opr

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

WTF :(:mad:

Is Peter in Season 4 (Has Joshua Jackson signed on for Season 4)

He has and is not being allowed cast for anything else so I presume he is very much still part of the show.

Opr

GSPfan

WTF? :confused:

don ramo wrote: »

now they have that room on liberty island to freely come and go to there own universes, so it should be interestig to see what happends now,

Speculation!!!

Who knows what the fook is gonna happen. The whole Peter thing could be Reversed in the first episode of season 4.
I don't think you can predict anything thats gonna happen. It seems like the show is going in a new direction now. One were both universes will work together to stop the destruction on both sides.

ratedR

WTF? :confused:

I really enjoyed this episode. The second half of this season was a bit flakey, and I was worried what way it was going to go, but I think they've redeemed themselves with this ep.

It's gone a bit LOST on us, which is no great surprise really with JJ. Abrams involved. It's sort of like Jack and Kate meeting up at the airport and the whole "We have to go back" scene. WTF indeed.

I also think, as with Lost, we're getting a beginning, middle and end to Fringe.
The first 2 seasons being the beginning, season 3 being the middle, and now series 4 and perhaps onwards being the end, where they fix what's been done.

I don't buy the whole "whats going to happen to Peter" stuff thats going around. He's the main character ffs. It all happened because of him, and all revolves around him. What the observers said about him being forgotten will be quickly explained at the start of season 4. And even if the guys inside the liberty building don't remember Peter, I'm guessing parallel characters in a different Universe or time will up until things are fixed.

Gonna be a long 3 or 4 months without it, but I'm delighted it's left me wanting more.

By the way, Astrid with straight hair in the future.... Rarrrr

Richard Dower

WTF? :confused:

Excellent (long) article: http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/05/08/fringe-mystery-finale-weve-solved-it-plus-john-noble-joshua-jackson-talk-cliffhanger-renewal-and-more/

expectationlost

WTF? :confused:

what was it that damaged the worlds?

MagicMarker

expectationlost wrote: »

what was it that damaged the worlds?

Seriously?

stevenmu

Well we know there's at least 3 time loops now.

First time through there was no machine. Walter and/or Walternate discovered the other universe and attempted to cross over, leading to both universes being damaged and starting to come apart.

Walter and Walternate both realised that to repair the universes they must build a machine to do it and send it back in time so that it's used soon enough to repair the damage. Presumably by the time they are able to buld the machine, it's already too late to use it.

I'm not sure but I'm beginning to suspect Peter never existed in this time loop at all, that while Walter was creating the machine to send back he also reached into the past to give himself a son to use the machine.

Second loop, they now have a machine on both sides sent back by the Walters. Walternate activates his, believing he can destroy the blue universe which will save his own. Peter then uses the machine in the blue universe to destroy the red universe leading to the future that we saw in the last two episodes.

Future Walter realises that destroying the red universe is destroying the blue universe too, brings Peter's conciousness forward to show him this, thus creating the ...

Third time loop, this time Peter does not destroy the red universe and instead knits them both together on liberty island. I think this'll be handled pretty basically, it's not part of either universe, when someone enters from red they leave in red, when someone enters from blue they leave in blue. There may or may not be someway for them to cross fully into the other side, but I don't think it'll be a big deal.

I'm not entirely sure why Peter vanished from the third time loop. I suspect it was caused by the observers. I think that they have said that they can observe the timeline can't interfere, but that they can make minor corrections when things don't happen the way they're supposed to. Perhaps because of how he came to be, Peter was never supposed to actually exist, they may have even suggested creating him to Walter in the first place. The main elements needed to be in place to keep the time line correct, the machine, both universes existing, the link under liberty island etc, but Peter did not so they removed him, creating a fourth time loop.

DeadParrot

WTF? :confused:

Peter will be forgotten until maybe ep 10where the issue of destabilising universes will be resolved.
During that time, we'll be with him in futureverse as he figures out how to go back and bring his conciousness forward.
What will be fun is how the Sam Weiss character interacts here and where the books come from.
He'll pop back into existence and they'll never know he was gone.

harry21

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd much rather 12 episode seasons that dealt with the actual main plot etc.

They are testing the water by putting in the fillers. If the viewers like the plot they will lean more in that direction. I think thats what is happening anyway.

I would LOVE an episode that dealt with the observers. Everyone loves them so more episodes with them would be great!

mickoneill30

WTF? :)

I loved the episode but thought it was a bit weird that Walter was in isolation / jail and Walternet (you know, the guy that actually tried to destroy our universe) was free to wander the streets doing whatever he wanted (like continuing to try to destroy our universe).
It was mentioned in the programme that the courts knew Peter went into our machine because of the machine being turned on in the other universe so yould think they'd know who turned it on in the other universe.