Irish Royalty

Gunnerkid

So with the British Royal wedding today and the Queens visit in May has got me thinking, imagine if Ireland had a Royal family, what would it be like??, would you support it or would you be against it.
I personally couldn't see it doing any harm and as seen with other world royal families they bring in money and tourism into their countries, however I could see different families fighting over the title of royal family of Ireland as we were left with a good few ruling clans before the British entered Ireland.

Coriolanus

The ra would have assassinated them decades ago.
We'd be in the middle of an anastasia style controversy involving some traveller bird.

stimpson

FFS...

krudler

settle it with a scrap, traveller style.

Daegerty

I'd be all for it. A King would have no problem standing up against the fecking EU and their high interest rate

They'd be better than Fianna Fail or the current shower any day

chin_grin

Where's the Atari Jaguar option?

orourkeda

Hyacinth Bucket

KeithAFC

Sounds like an interesting idea.

Agricola

Monarchies are irrelevant in modern democracies. We already pay a president a fat salary to fulfill an ambassadors role for the country. Why would we need anyone else?

chin_grin

orourkeda wrote: »

Hyacinth Bucket

It's Bouquet! :pac:

Gunnerkid

feelingstressed wrote: »

Didn't the leaders of 1916 want to invite over some Prussian prince?

And Sinn Féin was founded as a monarchist party. Well dual monarchy anyway

wow didint know that about the 1916 leaders :eek::eek:

heres a link to that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Joachim_of_Prussia

rockmongrel

Absolutely, unequivocally, no. Never ever forever never.

Knasher

Well I don't really seeing them adding anything to the country so it wouldn't be something I'd support.

Unless you're asking me to take the job, in which case I'm all for it.

Nodin

Gunnerkid wrote: »

So with the British Royal wedding today and the Queens visit in May has got me thinking, imagine if Ireland had a Royal family, what would it be like??, would you support it or would you be against it.
I personally couldn't see it doing any harm and as seen with other world royal families they bring in money and tourism into their countries, however I could see different families fighting over the title of royal family of Ireland as we were left with a good few ruling clans before the British entered Ireland.

So we'd make Ivor Callely an institution and support him and his offspring and descendants forevermore. Great stuff.

mikemac

Gunnerkid wrote: »

wow didint know that about the 1916 leaders :eek::eek:

heres a link to that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Joachim_of_Prussia

Interesting alright, and I just deleted my first post by accident.

Anyways it depends
Yes to Munster ruling everyone like Brian Ború
No to some High King in Meath

UP MUNSTER!

Blisterman

Well if David Norris get's elected president, we'll once again be ruled by a queen!

patmac

Well the nearest we had were the Ahearn's when the Celtic Tiger was in full swing and look how that turned out.
The only way it could work was if we offered it to the Gaddaffi and his kin as long has he gave us the €80 billion he has stashed away and he had no control over the army.

P_1

Ahem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_of_Tara

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_King_of_Ireland

Knight who says Meh

Bah. Most of us have gotten over bowing and scrapeing to Priests and Politicians so why replace it;)

charlemont

Hugo O Neill is a direct descendent of the O Neill family, He lives in Lisboa.

Knight who says Meh

Blisterman wrote: »

Well if David Norris get's elected president, we'll once again be ruled by a queen!

OOoooohhh. Thats new.

smokedeels

The Corrs?

Has anybody traced the bloodline from the Irish Kings?

Knight who says Meh

smokedeels wrote: »

The Corrs?

Has anybody traced the bloodline from the Irish Kings?

I bet Jim has.

Nodin

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

I bet Jim has.

...I think that was just a test to show he was free from the Orion Lizard taint....

dlofnep

Unsure why anyone would want an unelected family, with an over-inflated sense of self-importance as our head of state. At least our president is elected, and doesn't cost the state billions in declaring a national holiday for a wedding. The idea of a royal family is an archaic idea, that should have been buried 100 years ago.

Krusader

dlofnep wrote: »

Unsure why anyone would want an unelected family, with an over-inflated sense of self-importance as our head of state. At least our president is elected, and doesn't cost the state billions in declaring a national holiday for a wedding. The idea of a royal family is an archaic idea, that should have been buried 100 years ago.

the thing is the royal family generate billions from tourism and the selling of tat, but it is an archaic idea and elitist

lcrcboy

Im a descendant of Brian Boru so all ye bow down to me and build my palace overlooking Dublin City

Einhard

God, what a horrible idea. At least with our wretched politicians, we have the chance to vote them out. I shudder to think of someone like Bertie or Charle Haughey lording it over us for life.

Nodin

.....I think the closest thing we had to royalty here was CJ Haughey - arrogant, corrupt, tempramental, greedy, filled with a sense of his own 'greatness' and entitlement....its bad enough we elect the eejits now and again without giving them and their line jobs for life forever....

Xivilai

Ireland had too much royalty back when it was important, they couldn't decide who should rule who, and destroyed eachother. The End.

smokedeels

Einhard wrote: »

God, what a horrible idea. At least with our wretched politicians, we have the chance to vote them out. I shudder to think of someone like Bertie or Charle Haughey lording it over us for life.

We'd get to chop their heads off

Icaras

I read somewhere the British monarchy cost the UK tax payer £14m but raises £150 - £200 million per annum in tourism etc, also the princes trust gives over £40m to charity each year - doesn't seem like a bad investment if its true. (ill try and find a relevant link)

A traveler king would be great - international arguments could be settled with fist fights and televised!

Jimmy Garlic

Gunnerkid wrote: »

So with the British Royal wedding today and the Queens visit in May has got me thinking, imagine if Ireland had a Royal family, what would it be like??, would you support it or would you be against it.
I personally couldn't see it doing any harm and as seen with other world royal families they bring in money and tourism into their countries, however I could see different families fighting over the title of royal family of Ireland as we were left with a good few ruling clans before the British entered Ireland.

So you wouldn't mid paying taxes to keep a bunch of wasters and parasites living in the lap of luxury. Monarchy is a throwback to feudalism, it is a plague on humanity and always has been. Humanity needs to move on and discard monarchy altogether.

hondasam

we have enough with a President.

Krusader

We have a king, he lives on Oileán Thoraigh (Tory)

Gunnerkid

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So you wouldn't mid paying taxes to keep a bunch of wasters and parasites living in the lap of luxury. Monarchy is a throwback to feudalism, it is a plague on humanity and always has been. Humanity needs to move on and discard monarchy altogether.

if you look above some guy posted that the royal family in the UK cost about 14 million in taxes but they bring in around 150 million sounds pretty good to me. Plus modern royal families like the British one dont really rule a country they are more of a representation and a tourist attraction.

NTMK

lcrcboy wrote: »

Im a descendant of Brian Boru so all ye bow down to me and build my palace overlooking Dublin City

So am i so hello my very distant relative :pac:

Nodin

Icaras wrote: »

I read somewhere the British monarchy cost the UK tax payer £14m but raises £150 - £200 million per annum in tourism etc, also the princes trust gives over £40m to charity each year - doesn't seem like a bad investment if its true. (ill try and find a relevant link)

A traveler king would be great - international arguments could be settled with fist fights and televised!

....it also enshrines the idea that merit is inherited and has some rather dubious goings on ignored for PR's sake....you might remember the whole wikileaks thing about bribery....then a certain princes house being bought by a resident of a nicely corrupt country for 3 million STG over the asking price....

mikemac

Kerry the Kingdom have a goat for King during Puck Fair

Isn't he looking majestic
http://www.puckfair.ie/index.php

Queer folks down in Kerry

Elmo

Icaras wrote: »

raises £150 - £200 million per annum in tourism etc, also the princes trust gives over £40m to charity each year

Much of which is centralized in London. We happen to be a very generous nation and have similar charities.

Tory Island has a king AFAIK well one of the Island has a King.

I would be againist an Irish Monarchy they would have just been the same as the British ones, while more recently the British Monarch is only a figure head, they did have a huge amount of power in previous centuries.

We would prob have an Irish Commonwealth or at least countries in Africa and America.

We would speak Irish and possibly have a large population due to industrialization which past Ireland by due to large scale industrialization and centralisation in England.

lcrcboy

NTMK wrote: »

So am i so hello my very distant relative :pac:

we should take over the country and form a ruling family and get the commoners to build are palaces

snugglebear

No, I wouldn't be up for that, where would you even start
The president will do just fine.
Having a Royal Family would just result in major arguements and propbabley lead to another civil war ( last thing we need) :rolleyes:

NTMK

lcrcboy wrote: »

we should take over the country and form a ruling family and get the commoners to build are palaces

perfect just the small problem of getting rid of the remaining o'briens:D

Aoifey!

No matter how much money it could bring in, it is just not right that someone would be born with immediate power. You might not like our politicians, but at least we can vote them in and out.

lcrcboy

NTMK wrote: »

perfect just the small problem of getting rid of the remaining o'briens:D

not to mention all the O'Briens with name changes Like McMahon

Jimmy Garlic

Gunnerkid wrote: »

if you look above some guy posted that the royal family in the UK cost about 14 million in taxes but they bring in around 150 million sounds pretty good to me. Plus modern royal families like the British one dont really rule a country they are more of a representation and a tourist attraction.

I would like to see a source for that. Statistics can say anything, the Windsors/Saxe-Coburg Gotha's have a huge PR machine dedicated to justifying their existence. God only knows what was spent on the wedding and the British economy will loose billions because the whole country ground to a halt because of it, nothing can justify such a vulgar waste of money, especially when the British public are being told to accept 'austerity'.

Wibbs

Naw, who needs them. I could never understand this deference to some twat who got lucky to come out of the right womb bollocks at all.

Especially with the Brits an otherwise very sensible bunch. Bowing and scraping to inbred Hapsburg Germans? That's not a slur BTW, they are incredibly inbred. The last Czar and George V were cousins and would be hard to separate in a line up. This is the current queen of Englands grandfather. Now when they found what looked like the remains of the Czar and his family, who did they ask for DNA to hep confirm it? Not The queen, but her husband Prince Philip. Genetic damage ahoy. FFS They're more like brother and sister at this stage and look at the state of their progeny. Like I say the Brits and especially the English a sensible bunch normally seem to have a blind spot about royals. Always have had. I mean the last truly English king to sit on the throne was probably Harold and he got shot in the eye for his trouble. They didn't have an English king who could speak the language for the guts of 400 years. French Normans the lot of them. Then you had the Tudors(mostly Welsh, the two gingers Henry and Lizzie 1) and after a bit of tooing and frooing starts get all a bit Dutch and Austrian after that. Though to be fair they've sought to make them more and more a figurehead so that's a start.

charlemont wrote: »

Hugo O Neill is a direct descendent of the O Neill family, He lives in Lisboa.

He's a distant rellie of mine and with other genealogical stuff on my side, I'd have some claim if I offed a few cousins. This would be a Very Bad Idea. So no, no, thrice nay.

Wibbs

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

nothing can justify such a vulgar waste of money, especially when the British public are being told to accept 'austerity'.

Yea but that's old hat. Big pomp and circumstance stuff today is not a million miles away from the games of Rome. Give them stale bread and the circus and they'll think themselves happy. telivise it in HDTV and they'll effin wet themselves.

mikemac

NTMK wrote: »

So am i so hello my very distant relative :pac:

charlemont wrote: »

Hugo O Neill is a direct descendent of the O Neill family, He lives in Lisboa.

lcrcboy wrote: »

Im a descendant of Brian Boru so all ye bow down to me and build my palace overlooking Dublin City

Wibbs wrote: »

Naw, who needs them. I could never understand this deference to some twat who got lucky to come out of the right womb bollocks at all.

He's a distant rellie of mine and with other genealogical stuff on my side, I'd have some claim if I offed a few cousins.

The O'Neills against Brian Ború

Civil war, bring it on!

orourkeda

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I would like to see a source for that. Statistics can say anything, the Windsors/Saxe-Coburg Gotha's have a huge PR machine dedicated to justifying their existence. God only knows what was spent on the wedding and the British economy will loose billions because the whole country ground to a halt because of it, nothing can justify such a vulgar waste of money, especially when the British public are being told to accept 'austerity'.

Surely waste of money wouldn't disappear if the whole monarchy was disbanded.

Seloth

One side of my family is direct decadents fro the former kings of Munster..After the Brits got our "turf" durig the plantations they became pirates and attacked British trade ships